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Rinoah said:
Well you never said that. You just said she makes mistakes.
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so? Everyone makes mistakes. :roll: Ie. her missing haste and getting upset because she thought she cast it, Ie. Her being upset still and warping on the party with little warning.

These people are making an assumption that she only uses cure II based on a few seconds of log they read in another thread that was meant to show she missed haste and what was said in /p chat.
 
BJ said she missed hate more than once and casting nothing but cure II is more than a mistake which was all i was trying to point out.

You are correct i cannot blame all the evils in the world upon her for a 60 second log right before she was going to warp. if i was going to ditch a pt i would probably let the person who was pissing me off die before i left, instead of just not trying to do the job to its full ability. I am not saying that she did only cast cure II or that she missed haste or that she is a bad whm or that she is a good whm or that she soloed all the gods at once. I was merely stating that to be a (good) WHM you need to do more than sit on your ass casting cure II.

Frankly i wish Mielle luck with future parties and/or statics (besides it is unlikely i will pt with her :wink: ) and that she has a chance to prove she is the good whm all her friends and static members claim she is.
 
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Cubswoo said:
- Have some content to your post. Single-word posts and images can be funny in moderation. And yes, I've done these in the past. But if all you do is post a .gif and never add to the discussion, you're either going to piss people off or derail the thread. Which brings me to my next point:
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Rinoah said:
BJ said she missed hate more than once and casting nothing but cure II is more than a mistake which was all i was trying to point out.
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mielle said BJ lost hate more than once and the DD were taking damage. Should we now keep bringing up BJ's faults? I see tanks lose hate alot more than I see mages over cast and miscast, should we now flame tanks when they lose hate? After all if you provoke late 5 seconds each time after a 5 minute fight you'll be almost 2 vokes behind in the hate game. Should we now flame tanks for the 5 seconds? It is thier job, Its important, its actually alot more important than the constant bitching you usually see tanks do, and random chatter in game. How anal should you be?
 
No, no this is going in a pointless direction. To clarify my cure 2 comment was this simply...

Another poster made the argument that Mielle could not haste based on needing to cure other party members who were in danger of death. Cure 2 is less MP efficient than 3. There was no curing of other members. Bjbreeze is a Galka. It is pretty obvious from that log that no one was in the slightest danger. I am making no assertions as to what she may or may not have casted throughout the party. I'm just saying that saying she was too bogged down keeping people from heaven's door to cast a 40 MP haste is obviously not true.

I don't really care if people make mistakes. People make mistakes every day. I make mistakes every day. It's not a big deal. I just don't like party members who respond to requests with anger. It's NO fun to play with people who are difficult and this is supposed to be a game. I cannot relax and have fun in a party where I have to be afraid that if I say the wrong thing my main healer is gonna warp out.
 
Valoran said:
I just want to say that my name is Valoran and I've made mistakes in the game.

One time, I forgot to first-voke because someone came into my room and was talking to me.

One time, I hit the wrong macros and chi blasted a sapling-class mob in CN.

As a noob, I subbed 12 whm for my monk main until level 30 so I could be mnk/sam (I'm now mnk/war, having learned quite a bit).

I used to drop beastman's seals.

I was once rude to a guy who recommended some tactic to me in a party because I hadn't heard of it before. He was probably totally in the right.

The point is, after reading the flameboards recently, I now know that these errors are likely all captured on screenshots, and will be used as evidence both for my exclusion from sky linkshells, and a determination of my value as a player AND human being.

I'm really sorry to the entire cast of thousands who play FFXI on Quetz; I really like our server, but I can see now that my 50 days of playtime have been wasted, and I'll go start a char on another server.

If anyone can ever see fit to forgive my mistakes, let me know, but I wilt under the self-righteous fury of these totally right and morally impeccable accusers who loom over the flameboard, and I fear the day when some new mistake, accidental or not, will bring me before the gaze of these omniscient twelve-year olds who have a hidden and secret direct line to absolute morality. I had no idea that the community had come together so strongly to elect such elite of our own members as judges over our every action, but I now know that mine will be too stringently evaluated for my pleasant-gaming tastes.

Don't get me wrong, I love that this is a game I can work hard in. I just know that I don't have time to both fully comprehend the tangled moral issues of every other player on the server AND get my woodworking skill to 100 and my monk to 75.

Hopefully, there are a few people out there who will let a passive, non-judgemental, damn fine (if I do say so myself) monk party with them a few times and maybe take a crack at chi blasting Kirin. All I can say is that I will be hard at work at whatever I do.

Yours, Vana'diel,

Valoran
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I f you seriously want to keep at it Fire go do it in the correct post.
 
Holy jesus.... I dont know what to say.... why doesnt anyone else see that this is an ISOLATED INCIDENT that was discussed / resolved / beaten to death / resurrected / beaten to death again / autopsied / buried / exhumed / wrapped / mumified / and put on display.

And as i go through it i see apologies were made / discussed / misread / misread again / disscussed / re-affrimed / documented in congressional record

JUST STOP FUCKING TALKING ABOUT IT.... LS mates or not this needs to end, and this fucking flameboard so often becomes unproductive and often causes more trouble than anything else....

Here's a little bit of information for all you QDCN jockeys...

1. Not everyone in this world and this game has played video games their whole lives.... Not all of them are going to pick it up as quickly as others... mistakes will be made and hopefully learned from... Alot of learning has been done through this thread.

2. I just drove from New York to california, I know damn well that go good chunk of the country had incredible weather all week... go outside and play some fucking ball or something, your ass shouldnt be the shape of the computer chair BEFORE you sit down.

3. I dont care what kind of litterary scholar you are you cant possibly know exactly how any situation discussed on here went. Facts get distorted easily and innocently, more so everyone putting in their 2 cents on every single post just adds up to an annoying jar of pennies that your too lazy to take to the supermarket coin machine. If your reading a post that has 7 pages of thread already and you feel the need to

4. Theres a cute little warning that Square-Enix provided us before we log on, in a nutshell it says dont let this game run your life.... and many of you (including myself) have become way too emotionally attached to this game...

I'm not saying quit FFxi, and i'm not saying that i am not guilty of these things myself, I'm really not... but i watch so many people so attached to this game that the slighest discourse that anyone causes in their gameplay comes right to this board... and almost always gets ugly. Theres a distinct difference between constructive criticism and whiny bitching... and the path you choose reflects on you.
 
motley said:
2. I just drove from New York to california, I know damn well that go good chunk of the country had incredible weather all week... go outside and play some fucking ball or something, your ass shouldnt be the shape of the computer chair BEFORE you sit down.
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Fuuuuuck youuuuu! It's been rainey or sticky and usually both here for a week. It was 98 at lunch so I fried my ass off. Then it rained so damn hard that I got soaked to the bone walking the 10 yads from my car to house. Up yours, Mr "Im in sunny california"! :P
 
HAHAHA!!!

That whole thing with Mielle and Bjbreeze never even happened!!!

YOU ALL GOT PUNKED!!
 
ok so i just skimmed through this to check on something ... the OPer posted one post since the OP to ask you people to stop bickering about .... whatever it was you were on about ...

I call shannanigans on this thread.
 
motley said:
Holy jesus.... I dont know what to say.... why doesnt anyone else see that this is an ISOLATED INCIDENT that was discussed / resolved / beaten to death / resurrected / beaten to death again / autopsied / buried / exhumed / wrapped / mumified / and put on display.

And as i go through it i see apologies were made / discussed / misread / misread again / disscussed / re-affrimed / documented in congressional record

JUST STOP FUCKING TALKING ABOUT IT.... LS mates or not this needs to end, and this fucking flameboard so often becomes unproductive and often causes more trouble than anything else....

Here's a little bit of information for all you QDCN jockeys...

1. Not everyone in this world and this game has played video games their whole lives.... Not all of them are going to pick it up as quickly as others... mistakes will be made and hopefully learned from... Alot of learning has been done through this thread.

2. I just drove from New York to california, I know damn well that go good chunk of the country had incredible weather all week... go outside and play some fucking ball or something, your ass shouldnt be the shape of the computer chair BEFORE you sit down.

3. I dont care what kind of litterary scholar you are you cant possibly know exactly how any situation discussed on here went. Facts get distorted easily and innocently, more so everyone putting in their 2 cents on every single post just adds up to an annoying jar of pennies that your too lazy to take to the supermarket coin machine. If your reading a post that has 7 pages of thread already and you feel the need to I'm DYING to know what was going to go here

4. Theres a cute little warning that Square-Enix provided us before we log on, in a nutshell it says dont let this game run your life.... and many of you (including myself) have become way too emotionally attached to this game...

I'm not saying quit FFxi, and i'm not saying that i am not guilty of these things myself, I'm really not... but i watch so many people so attached to this game that the slighest discourse that anyone causes in their gameplay comes right to this board... and almost always gets ugly. Theres a distinct difference between constructive criticism and whiny bitching... and the path you choose reflects on you.
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Amen.

And regarding the OP...

OMIGOD I sooo used to toss beastmen seals too. But then, I also sold crystals individually the first 9 levels because I didn't notice the sort function.

I agree..simple mistakes are and should be forgivable. What irks me is either a) blatant disregard for one's job with the "it's just a game" mentality as a shield of laziness and ineptitude. What I mean by that is make macros, have up do date (not nec. hq) gear, I mean - do the basics for fucks sake. I think ppl put themselves up as flammable material (pun intended) when they have major flaws that are seriously hurting the gaming experience of others. Having a sub at lvl 1 when you're 60, for example, would make you suck. Hehee. I was in a pt in quifim - pld had gear 10 lvls too low - my def as dark was something like 20 higher. That hurt the pt.

Then there are the incredibly stupid attempts at "originality" (i.e. the excuse for having war sub with your whm and eating jack o' lanterns while spamming banishga). No, every combination or jobs/skills/abilities/gear is NOT effective.



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To the OP:
1. If someone wanted to flame you, it would have been done by now although from your OP I am not sure if you were a little sarcastic about being flamed. I mean why would someone flame you about dropping beastmen seals(I think everyone has at one point or another)? So either you aren't as bad as you think you are or you are flying just below the radar of the flameboards. Congrats.

2. Read the rules of the forums. Very few but one thats been around for awhile is "No Self Flame Posts" and your OP falls under this category.
 
Valoran said:
The point is, after reading the flameboards recently, I now know that these errors are likely all captured on screenshots, and will be used as evidence both for my exclusion from sky linkshells, and a determination of my value as a player AND human being.

If anyone can ever see fit to forgive my mistakes, let me know, but I wilt under the self-righteous fury of these totally right and morally impeccable accusers who loom over the flameboard, and I fear the day when some new mistake, accidental or not, will bring me before the gaze of these omniscient twelve-year olds who have a hidden and secret direct line to absolute morality. I had no idea that the community had come together so strongly to elect such elite of our own members as judges over our every action, but I now know that mine will be too stringently evaluated for my pleasant-gaming tastes.

Don't get me wrong, I love that this is a game I can work hard in. I just know that I don't have time to both fully comprehend the tangled moral issues of every other player on the server AND get my woodworking skill to 100 and my monk to 75.
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It's not a self-flame.

It's a flame about the assholes that are quick to pull out some real or imagined rule book over a mistake versus a blatant disregard for the whole player community.

Oh..yeah..kinda like YOU ma dear. You seemed to have picked up the sarcasm but missed he point entirely. And yet - so quick to condemn the OP-er as a rule breaker. Thank gawd Pup and our new admins realized this and didn't see it falling under the self-flame pst category it so clearly does NOT.
 
Ya this flame is about those tight assed people who are to full of themselves to put up with real people who make mistakes.

Time to stop playing FFXI in that case and go have a cup of real life.
 
Darkdante said:
Time to stop playing FFXI in that case and go have a cup of real life.
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._. the sun burns my skin.
 
Mokk said:
I call shannanigans on this thread.
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Shenanigans! We have shenanigans! Does anybody protest?

*silence*

Alright, everyone grab your brooms.
 
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