Pandemonium Warden - Round III

Worst thing created. At least when you fight AV its either you are doing it right (involves rdm melee, little did we know dev team is actually hellstorm), dying, or abusing terrain hardcore. This is just evil, can't believe members were literally vomiting.
 
charlo said:
Been reading alot about these pops.
Just wanted to ask has anyone ever handed in a Sanraku's Recommended Fauna pic.
Because alot of those mobs (Listed forms) are always asked for.
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Also before i go to bed.
With this in mind i've noticed a very strange thing with the zeni collecting.

1. 2 different types of cameras (Not just different but also a 250% price differance) Same with film. Why? i can see it takes shots faster and always assumed the better film was for less fails.

2. 2 different types of pics u can take. subject of intrest + Recommended fauna. The latter seemingly stupid to embark on (Ussually needs Salvage, nyzle assalt, ISNM, etc) when the first can be soloed for a cap of 99 zeni per pic and finished by the start of the next day.

I'd like someone to please get a Magnificant piture from the harder fauna and tell us what you got when you handed it in. But with the soultrapper 2000 and best film.(As ryo says he wants to try his hand at "Painting")

Also i thought about CoP and the tower bosses, with the use of anima and how it stops tp moves melee moves and such. This as with above is also like a mini quest to get items for main boss (similar to pics). Sky gods give winds for krin and other god additial affects. Airship fight give a TP hold item. Salvage has mobs to defeat to make boss weaker, etc.
NO WAY would SE put a 18+ hour fight in the game without some way of putting the advantage to the player.
Shout AV if you will but now we know by the vid they provided it can be done in a reasonable amount of time. Even if we cant do it yet.
Meh using the items (deeds/virtues) on him may do something too. Even virtue stones (trading/throwing) may work, again like above a prequisite from a ncp trading items from lesser monsters in area. Or throwing em like with dark ixion. And like above the items traded are rare/ex and become sellable.I mean they are the exact opposite of the sins he drops. The eldieme Necropolis 7 sin skulls each drop a stone colour pointing to a day of the week too. And he himself says at start he wants you to show him principles.
Anyways back to PW.
Items in some way affect all or most Big nms we know of, except the ones we cant beat. So its fesable to think we are missing it in these cases.

This is where i think there must be a way of getting passed all these forms with either an item or prequisite, because otherwise this is stupid.
 
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Mayhaps AV is week to the seven sin weapons? Who knows, but I am sensing a connection.

Anyways, I'm thinking there has to be some weakness to this guy that we have yet to tap into. All the big uber bosses have a hidden weakness or key that makes the battle in our favour.

Right now you guys are doing the equivalent of trying to kill dark ixion without the ash.

"This boss rusn away at 250% speed and you can't claim, wtfbbq don't bother waisting your time with this boss"

We need to find AVs and pand's stygian ash, if you will.
 
Urat said:
Mayhaps AV is week to the seven sin weapons? Who knows, but I am sensing a connection.

Anyways, I'm thinking there has to be some weakness to this guy that we have yet to tap into. All the big uber bosses have a hidden weakness or key that makes the battle in our favour.

Right now you guys are doing the equivalent of trying to kill dark ixion without the ash.

"This boss rusn away at 250% speed and you can't claim, wtfbbq don't bother waisting your time with this boss"

We need to find AVs and pand's stygian ash, if you will.
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Also can you remember a thread not so long ago with the whole "Someone locked AV" and it was assumed as he had the sea weapon equipped, that was it.
Do you think maybe he pressed a ranged attack macro by mistake and hit AV with a virtue stone while the weapon was equipped and locked it instead but didnt realise?

The point is though that these fights can still be done without the items and be mega hard.
Think if no one knew about CBB pumps or animas or sky winds for kirn when he was hard before merits and lvl increase.

Guess what?
People would be crying saying the same thing they are saying about this. Trying to use wierd hate systems, AI terrain mistakes, etc. instead of realising there is a simpleer way to make the fight managable like SE has implimented and i have mentioned above.
 
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skreb said:
i just wonder if all the ls's on quetz could put aside their differences, to do so. would be nice to give se a big fuck you by beating this
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I think the endgame shells on this server are a lot friendlier with each other than may be perceived by people not in them. We all talk, we all congratulate each other, many of us do small group events/non competition events like salvage, nyzul isle, limbus, and ZNM's with each other... and I feel that the relationships continue to get better. There might be little sour moments but for the most part none of us hate anyone else.
 
Urat said:
Mayhaps AV is week to the seven sin weapons? Who knows, but I am sensing a connection.

Anyways, I'm thinking there has to be some weakness to this guy that we have yet to tap into. All the big uber bosses have a hidden weakness or key that makes the battle in our favour.

Right now you guys are doing the equivalent of trying to kill dark ixion without the ash.

"This boss rusn away at 250% speed and you can't claim, wtfbbq don't bother waisting your time with this boss"

We need to find AVs and pand's stygian ash, if you will.
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Wait, what? No. No, no, no.

No.

First, why are you even talking to *us* about it, nobody here is the one who spent 18 hours fighting for nothing.

Comparing this...thing, to throwing a Stygian Ash, shows you lack a clear grip of perspective on how things really are. Let me sum it up for you.

-Things that can be done are usually figured out sooner than later. Hence, throwing a Stygian Ash to claim Ixion. It was common knowledge from day 1. Comparing it to something like this makes no sense.

-These people spent 18 hours. EIGHTEEN HOURS of their life battling this...thing. At that point, they could go no further, being living and breathing human beings. HAY MAYBE WE SHOULD BOT HIM TO DEATH. Yeah.

-Rukenshin stated this bit himself: there is no "trick" or "key" to defeating him. Just like AV, SE honestly expects us to fight it for 18 hours straight. He's not broken or doing anything wrong, either.

To sum, your speculations about both AV and PW are useless. Please don't even start.

Anyways, I sympathize strongly with the people who caused physical harm to themselves over SE's next big joke.

If there's a bright side to this, though, I finally realized what drives me to keep playing. I live on in order to see all the different ways SE will screw up until the end. Sort of candid, but meh.
 
charlo said:
I'd like someone to please get a Magnificant piture from the harder fauna and tell us what you got when you handed it in. But with the soultrapper 2000 and best film.(As ryo says he wants to try his hand at "Painting")
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I've done it before and nothing special happened. It was just bhoot in periqua assault area though. I think i got around 87 zeni.
 
Giltyguitarist said:
Wait, what? No. No, no, no.

No.

First, why are you even talking to *us* about it, nobody here is the one who spent 18 hours fighting for nothing.

Comparing this...thing, to throwing a Stygian Ash, shows you lack a clear grip of perspective on how things really are. Let me sum it up for you.

-Things that can be done are usually figured out sooner than later. Hence, throwing a Stygian Ash to claim Ixion. It was common knowledge from day 1. Comparing it to something like this makes no sense.

-These people spent 18 hours. EIGHTEEN HOURS of their life battling this...thing. At that point, they could go no further, being living and breathing human beings. HAY MAYBE WE SHOULD BOT HIM TO DEATH. Yeah.

-Rukenshin stated this bit himself: there is no "trick" or "key" to defeating him. Just like AV, SE honestly expects us to fight it for 18 hours straight. He's not broken or doing anything wrong, either.

To sum, your speculations about both AV and PW are useless. Please don't even start.

Anyways, I sympathize strongly with the people who caused physical harm to themselves over SE's next big joke.

If there's a bright side to this, though, I finally realized what drives me to keep playing. I live on in order to see all the different ways SE will screw up until the end. Sort of candid, but meh.
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What a load of bull you clown.

1.You dont need to be involved in the fight to brainstorm useful ideas for future fights on these mobs

2. Comparing the ash to PW is just a similarity of how BOTH mobs are immune to beat without doing something to make it humanly possible to do.
18 hour+ fight = Ixion without ash.

What i find funny about this is everyone is so caught up in the fact that it took this linkshell 18+ hours and still no win.
But lets look at the facts shall we.
They were killing the mobs by kiting them out of the room and being warped back in while blms nuked them. This on its own sounds like a design fault they have used to their advantage (See AV wall trick).
No one task in all the game takes longer than 4-5 hours. (Unless repeating/failing) Which is a long time but still reasonable.
SE's announcement at logging in to "Remember your RL, friends, WORK, family." Then they impliment this, no no no.

Then look at CoP as a whole
promies - animas
mammets- liquid
empty mobs - coloured to give elemental weakness
omega ultima - CBB pumps
ouryu - mismelts
Trackers - siredon
Snoll - salt

Now look at the only teir system we know bk to bk at end game.
sky gods - winds.

Descussing these things might actually help the situation insted of putting people down for "Adding to the pot"
 
charlo said:
A lot of shit.
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No Gilly was right, Urat said something that has been brought up countless times about AV that he should of read about before trying to contribute something that has already been said 1000 times before.

Comparing the Ash is not the same thing as an 18 hour fight because you fucking can't fight Ixion without throwing the ash. The ash trick was figured out hours after the update and PW has been out for weeks now and fought several times before and still has not found any weaknesses.

The thing they were doing was not the same thing as using the "wall of justice" for AV because PW has had drawn in from the start which AV did not when it was first implemented. So no the people who have already fought PW said it would be much easier to kite it if it didn't have drawn, and kiting the lamps is the only way to defeat them as fighting them straight up would be too challenging.

SE just doesn't know how to fucking scale their monsters. When Kirin came out it was nerfed, when JoL came out it was nerfed, now AV has not been beaten in the 3 years that it has been out and every time the player base finds a way to kill it SE comes in and says "No that's not how we want you to kill it" and does something to ruin the strategy the player base used.

AV and PW are unkillable as it is right now unless you feel like spending over 24 hours on a single fight(which the LS that fought it for 18 hours decided they would need at least 5 more hours on the final PW form) and SE just needs to learn how to fucking scale their monsters from too easy to a challenge.
 
Auron X said:
No Gilly was right, Urat said something that has been brought up countless times about AV that he should of read about before trying to contribute something that has already been said 1000 times before.

Comparing the Ash is not the same thing as an 18 hour fight because you fucking can't fight Ixion without throwing the ash. The ash trick was figured out hours after the update and PW has been out for weeks now and fought several times before and still has not found any weaknesses.

The thing they were doing was not the same thing as using the "wall of justice" for AV because PW has had drawn in from the start which AV did not when it was first implemented. So no the people who have already fought PW said it would be much easier to kite it if it didn't have drawn, and kiting the lamps is the only way to defeat them as fighting them straight up would be too challenging.

SE just doesn't know how to fucking scale their monsters. When Kirin came out it was nerfed, when JoL came out it was nerfed, now AV has not been beaten in the 3 years that it has been out and every time the player base finds a way to kill it SE comes in and says "No that's not how we want you to kill it" and does something to ruin the strategy the player base used.

AV and PW are unkillable as it is right now unless you feel like spending over 24 hours on a single fight(which the LS that fought it for 18 hours decided they would need at least 5 more hours on the final PW form) and SE just needs to learn how to fucking scale their monsters from too easy to a challenge.
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I would agree altogether with this if it wasn't for the fact that a dev team of 18 people beat it and showed us tips (However small/understandable they were) on how to achieve beating it ourselves without hand feeding us the answers like babies. This is not unkillable. It's unkillable with our current stratagies.
 
charlo said:
I would agree altogether with this if it wasn't for the fact that a dev team of 18 people beat it and showed us tips (However small/understandable they were) on how to achieve beating it ourselves without hand feeding us the answers like babies. This is not unkillable. It's unkillable with our current stratagies.
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lol

Have you seen the video? People have tried out the "hints"

They're useless and stupid. Dev team is full of shit, the sooner you accept that, the better.
 
Nicholette said:
I think the endgame shells on this server are a lot friendlier with each other than may be perceived by people not in them.
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Like anywhere else in life, there are a handful of people in each shell who hold personal grudges and ruin relations. These people make it seem like all endgame shells hate each other, we don't.

On topic it's hard enough gathering a whole shell for a fight, let a alone multiples. Pretty dumb.
 
charlo said:
I would agree altogether with this if it wasn't for the fact that a dev team of 18 people beat it and showed us tips (However small/understandable they were) on how to achieve beating it ourselves without hand feeding us the answers like babies. This is not unkillable. It's unkillable with our current stratagies.
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I wanted to see what the dev team did when say it chainspelled meteor and comet, or when it aeroga IV'd them. No all they showed us was fucking zoomed in chat logs and meleeing red mages. Real good hints.
 
Tyrath said:
lol

Have you seen the video? People have tried out the "hints"

They're useless and stupid. Dev team is full of shit, the sooner you accept that, the better.
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I wouldn't call the hints shit. The playerbase agrees that with the hints, it would be possible to do. even managed to delay his 2-hours from every 30 sec to every 4,5 min, and people believe it would be possible to delay it even further if given more practice.

The problem is that you don't get a long of chances to fight AV. If the playerbase could pop it at will, and keep fighting it over and over until they get it right like the dev team could, AV wouldn't be a problem. Those hints do work, its just that the hints themselves are useless as the playerbase don't have an endless supply of AV's they can pop at will when their LS is on, like the dev team can.

If AV popped every JoL death, or even every second JoL death, he'd likely be figured out by now. But no, SE want AV popping to be "like an accident".
 
Uzor said:
I wouldn't call the hints shit. The playerbase agrees that with the hints, it would be possible to do. even managed to delay his 2-hours from every 30 sec to every 4,5 min, and people believe it would be possible to delay it even further if given more practice.

The problem is that you don't get a long of chances to fight AV. If the playerbase could pop it at will, and keep fighting it over and over until they get it right like the dev team could, AV wouldn't be a problem. Those hints do work, its just that the hints themselves are useless as the playerbase don't have an endless supply of AV's they can pop at will when their LS is on, like the dev team can.

If AV popped every JoL death, or even every second JoL death, he'd likely be figured out by now. But no, SE want AV popping to be "like an accident".
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None of the SE clips or the recorded fights that came after showed delayed 2-hours.

The way to kill AV may be in there, but if it is, the entire population, NA and JP, has missed it.
 
I for one DO think that cooperation is key to beating some of these mobs. Problem is, greed tends to take over in the end which kills things. As far as the hints given to kill AV and such, yes the dev team makes it easy cuz they KNOW already what to do..........they gives us slight hints, but what we lack is time and consistency to play with those hints and figure them out. I believe PW is a slap to the face of players on SE's part, but at the same time, more than likely, he DOES have a weakness that may have been missed.................
 
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