Pandemonium Warden - Round III

I think they're gonna tone it down because of the bad media attention they're getting.

The fight was overviewed on Xplay on G4 i'm told lol And its on all kinds of gaming sites
 
So who is this sage sundi guy?

He the leader of the dev team or something?

I'm gonna sit and watch the videos to see what it is, specificly looking for any ranged attacks or item usage.
 
Urat said:
So who is this sage sundi guy?

He the leader of the dev team or something?

I'm gonna sit and watch the videos to see what it is, specificly looking for any ranged attacks or item usage.
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Yes, something like that.

And people have done that for months now...so good luck >_>
 
Obviously the developers and the testers get paid by the hour :rtfm: Why else woud they put a mob in that takes at least 10+ hours to kill lol.
 
Urat said:
So who is this sage sundi guy?

He the leader of the dev team or something?

I'm gonna sit and watch the videos to see what it is, specificly looking for any ranged attacks or item usage.
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Sage Sundi is the Global Online Producer and Lead Game Master.

And like Tyrath said people all over have compiled all the videos the dev team made of the AV fight and analyzed it for months, I don't think there is anything to find. Good luck if you do.
 
He also has a lvl 80 or 81 Drk
 
They sure enjoy spamming sleep a lot.

I also noted there was a lot of utsu being casted. Looks like they had at least 2-3 guys just trading utsu hate. =/

There were very few cures going on, and a LOT of spell spamming. I'm thinking they set up an uber cannon party consisting of lots and lots of magic DD with a couple of uber hate/utsu tanks.

Also, I noticed the fact that they always 2 houred at the same time as AV...

<_< >_>

Here's how I see it.

AV must have a certain level of AI pertaining to what 2 hour he uses. When his move is ready, it probably works similar to an automaton's magic usage...

If his HP is abelow a certain level, he'll pop benediction, anything else and he'll pop a physical move.

OR mayhaps what 2 hour he uses can be influenced by another job 2 houring, in a similar concept to how OB changes form when a puppet master uses a maneuver.

Either way, what it seems they did was basically blow up AV so that every time he 2 houred, he would use a less offensive 2 hour. I'm also gonna guess he has a maximum amount of 2 hours he will pop before running out. After that it's just a matter of taking him down like any other HNM.

Thats my final verdict on AV. And if you did this battle with a collection of good stun jobs, IE dncs and blus, all you need to do is the same thing, and consider things like manafont a blessing, cause all it takes is a single stun to totally interrupt his spell casting.

And mayhap they did, just make pand too damn hard, after all, they did the same thing with nyzul weapons, lol 50K alexandrite. Chances are they'll at least tone down this guy on the next update now with all the bad publicity it's getting.
 
Urat said:
They sure enjoy spamming sleep a lot.

I also noted there was a lot of utsu being casted. Looks like they had at least 2-3 guys just trading utsu hate. =/

There were very few cures going on, and a LOT of spell spamming. I'm thinking they set up an uber cannon party consisting of lots and lots of magic DD with a couple of uber hate/utsu tanks.

Also, I noticed the fact that they always 2 houred at the same time as AV...

<_< >_>

Here's how I see it.

AV must have a certain level of AI pertaining to what 2 hour he uses. When his move is ready, it probably works similar to an automaton's magic usage...

If his HP is abelow a certain level, he'll pop benediction, anything else and he'll pop a physical move.

OR mayhaps what 2 hour he uses can be influenced by another job 2 houring, in a similar concept to how OB changes form when a puppet master uses a maneuver.

Either way, what it seems they did was basically blow up AV so that every time he 2 houred, he would use a less offensive 2 hour. I'm also gonna guess he has a maximum amount of 2 hours he will pop before running out. After that it's just a matter of taking him down like any other HNM.

Thats my final verdict on AV. And if you did this battle with a collection of good stun jobs, IE dncs and blus, all you need to do is the same thing, and consider things like manafont a blessing, cause all it takes is a single stun to totally interrupt his spell casting.

And mayhap they did, just make pand too damn hard, after all, they did the same thing with nyzul weapons, lol 50K alexandrite. Chances are they'll at least tone down this guy on the next update now with all the bad publicity it's getting.
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Absolute Virtue on Wiki

A few notes, he can 2hour multiple times, he does them randomly, the video showed them 2houring to cancel his 2hours, I don't even remember what happened when we did that. It also showed the same people 2houring frequently which doesn't make any sense...
 
I think it's at least safe to say that in some way the combatants 2 houring will in some way directly effect AVs 2 hours.

Either the more people that 2 hour in the fight, the less often he 2 hours, or their 2 hours remove his like a dispel effect, or that a person 2 houring will make AVs next one a specific type.
 
Ok, one more thing I noted...

There is a couple times that when AV 2 hours, and several people follow up by spamming their own... I see a couple benedictiosn ehre and there that heal for... 0 hp?

Why would they be willing to waste such a precious ability as benediction to heal people for nothing?

This pretty much proves his 2 hours and ours are linked somehow,
 
There has been a ton of discussion about AV and the dev team video on BG and quite a bit on QCDN. I encourage you to go review those conversations. Nothing you've said so far is something that hasn't already been discussed.

Not trying to discourage you, maybe you'll come up with something fresh - I hope you do. This stuff isn't fresh tho.
 
Anyone know if an LS like TheFlock has ever taken either AV or the new HNMS? I know one group took down tiamat fairly easily.
 
Nicolette said:
Anyone know if an LS like TheFlock has ever taken either AV or the new HNMS? I know one group took down tiamat fairly easily.
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I don't think so. AV and PW aren't even in the same league as Tiamat.
 
Nicolette said:
Anyone know if an LS like TheFlock has ever taken either AV or the new HNMS? I know one group took down tiamat fairly easily.
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TheFlock did Cerb once. They zombie zerged it for 1-2 hours. Basically, each member threw a pet at it until that one died and then they'd summon or charm a new one to throw at it. Because of the nasty AoE, the pets would die very quickly, often all at once which would cause people to be drawn in and killed until a pet was able to get solid hate. Rinse and repeat. I believe the entire latter portion of the fight, not a single person was unweakened at all during that time because they were literally dieing so often.

I know they tried camping Tiamat, but after the way some of them acted after claim, had they actually ever made a legitimate claim, I am certain they would not have kept it long. AV on the other hand is an impossibility for BST, there are no pets in sea and recast timers for many things make it difficult to keep pets active for such a long fight. SMN would be better, but like cerberus, he'd kill them all in a single AoE and put hate squarely on summoners. Honestly, if an all SMN linkshell tried something like this, it'd need a high level of organization and I don't think those shells are capable of that level.
 
Guiding principle of a SMN and BST shell is SMN avatars will tank while BST are more free to deal damage. BST pets can also tank but they don't get the hate spike of an avatar so its just bound to happen that an avatar will tank and be cycled through. Everything besides that is a matter of numbers and execution. That is where problems usually start.

Tiamat has been taken down by all BST linkshells plenty of times. The time on our server was a case of many people new to Wyrms executing very poorly and not taking lessons learned from other fights. We kept Tiamat claimed from 90-9% til flail bonanza due to said poor execution.

Cerb AoE could be more easily mitigated the same way all HNMs with dangerous AoE are - by sending pets in waves which staggers timer, reduce TP gain, and makes it less likely that there is nothing on the mob, but is honestly less efficient and is more a matter of necessity (there is a reason why, just take my word on it - i.e. tp spam is inevitable on a lot of HNMs fighting this way).

Most things in Sea have been done by BST/SMN shells besides JoL and AV iirc. JoL is possible - it just requires a lot of people (SMNs being the main source of damage to JOL and BSTs parties pulling pops). Would take a long time and be very inefficient but its a lot more straightforward than some things that have been done all BST and SMN imo. Only thing that could go wrong is the inevitable hate SMNs are building over time. Even if I could write a strat for AV this way its fruitless because A) AV is broken (how I win ffxi w/o RMDs w/ stavez that melee!?!?) and B) What Lavi said, very few ffxi hnmls have the organization for AV attempts, let alone the very very very few BST/SMN hnmls. As much as I think these type of strats are inefficient, limiting, and in the hands of some become just as droll as many ffxi strategies its always difficult to underestimate because time and again they do things people say can't be done.
 
If people still don't realize the FFXI devs don't test the shit they come up with after this, I feel sorry for them.
 
On subject of items and AV.
Thought id pull my fingure out and test stuff out.
As i was SO sure virtue stones play a part. Looking at them

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Image:Virtue_Stone.png


No damage just virtue (AV asks us to show him principles)
All jobs
Lvl 73 for delevelers fighting AV.
You get them from the same NPC as trading drops to. ie; NPC assosiated with these mobs.
After testing
You cant throw vitue stones.
Iv'e tried trading them no luck so far. To pop sites and NPCs with other items.
But then i noticed they can be crafted.
Now stones can be crafted into arrow heads.
No luck so far.
I know people can look at DaTs but cant find any links.
So is there anyone that can look and see if theres not an item that has yet to be crafted in the DaTs.
Or maybe you need the stones AND the weapons (100% drop) to activate the 2 hour retaliation.
 
charlo said:
On subject of items and AV.
Thought id pull my fingure out and test stuff out.
As i was SO sure virtue stones play a part. Looking at them

Image:Virtue_Stone.png


No damage just virtue (AV asks us to show him principles)
All jobs
Lvl 73 for delevelers fighting AV.
You get them from the same NPC as trading drops to. ie; NPC assosiated with these mobs.
After testing
You cant throw vitue stones.
Iv'e tried trading them no luck so far. To pop sites and NPCs with other items.
But then i noticed they can be crafted.
Now stones can be crafted into arrow heads.
No luck so far.
I know people can look at DaTs but cant find any links.
So is there anyone that can look and see if theres not an item that has yet to be crafted in the DaTs.
Or maybe you need the stones AND the weapons (100% drop) to activate the 2 hour retaliation.
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No
 
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