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Uhh well I never allow my BRD's to use 2x Minuet. March/Minuet is much more effective.

I only get to around 650 I think maxed out.
 
jamal said:
yes but puks are only filler mobs

The primary targets for mobs are the mamools and wyverns, which still go down fast, but not quite as fast as the puks.

But god forbid, i do agree with eulore here, if you're going to eat meat, focus acc everywhere, if you eat sushi, then you boost haste/attack
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then maybe swap in equips depending on what your fighting, but even so do you really think cami is getting in 20 turns on mammol ja's?
 
jamal said:
/sigh
vang said cami could sub nin and still do it...

Mnk's who sub war in thickets are mpsponges, do whats best for the party and don't eat an unshadowed firespit.

Cami agreed to come /nin, never even asked to sub war

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I dunno. I've never had a WHM run out of MP in a great cannon party, and I never sub ninja. Saying that shits gotta stop. The only times its happen is when we get a couple of links.

Maybe its cause of my chakras too, but really, especially with Sanction Refresh and a Bard, if the WHM is running out of MP with a MNK/WAR, theres something wrong with the party itself.

MP Sponge is a dead term in Aht Urghan. Quit fucking using it.
 
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Skaw said:
I dunno. I've never had a WHM run out of MP in a great cannon party, and I never sub ninja. Saying that shits gotta stop. The only times its happen is when we get a couple of links.

Maybe its cause of my chakras too, but really, especially with Sanction Refresh and a Bard, if the WHM is running out of MP with a MNK/WAR, theres something wrong with the party itself.

MP Sponge is a dead term in Aht Urghan. Quit fucking using it.
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if you're subbing war, and you're anywhere halfway decently equipped, you're pulling hate. we're not talking puks or your lil bone parties here skaw. First off, lvl your NIN sub up, try it, and then see how the party runs smoother. Ive partied with mnks / nin and mnks / war...and frankly, its no comparison when your talking about smooth chaining. So you do less dmg as one person, the party benifits greatly...ask meastoso how much he liked subbing war in the mamool camp, yes mamool camp, not puks. If we wanna do total damage, i'll sub drk and souleater, its not mp effective, nor is it smooth on the party

Whats gotta stop is people's selfishness/e-penises...Deci and i didn't go out challenging anyone to outparse us, we were made aware of trashtalkings, and simply put it here.

Since you don't have nin sub skaw, i'm simply claiming ignorance on this post, and why use that language? If you're constantly chaining mamools/wyverns and "occasional" puks, then yes, you would be an mp sponge, and a liability to the party.
 
Skaw said:
Maybe its cause of my chakras too, but really, especially with Sanction Refresh and a Bard, if the WHM is running out of MP with a MNK/WAR, theres something wrong with the party itself.

MP Sponge is a dead term in Aht Urghan. Quit fucking using it.
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Eh not really, Rushing Drub and other Mamool WS's can eat up 600+ damage on a Mnk (which is a Cure V and a lot of mp) and Firespit does a lot of damage even with barfira up at times.
 
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I dont care how much dmg a mnk/war does in a cannon with nin's and wars, I've seen it hurt a party so badly that things went faster and smoother when the mnk/war died.

Ninja on Puks seems to really shine, last time I was there with a really good war, he out parsed me when we were doing all mamools and when we went to Puks + mamools, I out parsed him.

There are alot of X factors in exp pts as well, like when you are the #1 DD you tend to have to spend more time casting shadows which reduces your DMG some. Also, remember that there are diminished returns on DMG. The mob only has so much HP, so a few % between lets say...decidence and Jamal is can be quite difficult to make up. Also things like who gets haste, somtimes a bad whm/rdm will forget to haste all the melee at times. Thats how I outparsed a decked out mnk/nin with black belt >.>

In the end, the parse results mean little and the exp/hour means everything.
 
That's why they xped with me, no one was ever without haste for longer than 3 seconds, and that was only once I think. :)
 
What the hell is the difference what percentage the mages MP is at, as long as its not empty? Unless you've got uppity white mages/red mages who don't like curing, theres nothing wrong with being an "mp sponge." It's there to be used. Not sit around and waste a party spot. If Ninja was meant to be the only subjob for melee, there'd be no option. It's incredibly hard to wear down 5mp/tick Refresh as MNK/WAR, if the Ninjas and Warriors are provoking. It's not like these mobs have damaging AEs either.
 
Keeping all melees hasted 893479587439384753497358x's > wasting mp on a MNK to stubborn to sub NIN

Edit: you're just showing your ignorance here skaw...
 
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jamal said:
Keeping all melees hasted 893479587439384753497358x's > wasting mp on a MNK to stubborn to sub NIN
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Uh. Haste is 40 MP. 20 second recast. With 5 MP/Refresh, 3 seconds per tick. in 8 you've recovered. SUPRISE. Hastes recast is almost long enough for the 8 tick 40 MP recovery. It's essentially free with Sanction and a Refresh item. Not to mention is lasts 5 minutes. You're spending 160 MP across 80 seconds, for 300 seconds. While recovering 160 MP every 96 Seconds. If you're that god damn tight on MP to do the rest of you're job, you're just plain pitiful at the game.

You might call me ignorant about it. But then again, I'll just call you ignorant for not looking at exactly how much this equals out to with the MP gain, just because you want people to cower behind a Ninja subjob.

You might tout that its easier. I'm trying to explain that mathematically, it makes no difference if one person is /war, or atleast a Monk with a very heavily built up Chakra.
 
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From a white mage's perspective. Casting Haste 4 times is 160 mp. Even if you luck out and get Conserve to kick in on two of those, that's still about 120mp you're using every 2 minutes or so. Even if you spam Haste so you get max resting time, anything that makes you have to bounce back up pretty much negates your chance to rest until the next set of Hastes are casted.

Now if I have to bounce up to Cure V you because you don't have shadows, that's 135mp wasted, which equates to practically another set of Hastes.

To cap it off, when your mp's constantly low the bard HAS to come back to ballad you, which wastes time that the bard could be pulling. If you can keep enough mp to where the bard doesn't HAVE to ballad you, they can more effectively pull to keep those big chains going. In order to do that, you have to maximize your resting time. And in order to maximize your resting time, you need your DDs to take as little damage as possible so you can cure them up between Haste casts.
 
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Mamools, not puks skaw

The bard needs to run to get the next mob ready, have it dispelled and ready, there are frequent links, so lullaby is being recast over and over, plus melee songs...the whm doesnt' always have brd refresh, possibly the 2mp/tick...if you're taking a rdm with you, yes he'll always be refreshed, usually double refreshed, but then you miss out on the cure V thats gonna have to lolsaveyourass


Level NIN sub and try it, you might like it, Finess breeds greater results then pure power
 
Again, like I said. I've built my Chakra. It's at a value currently higher than a base Cure IV.(416 with out any VIT modding food)
 
jamal said:
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Mamools, not puks skaw
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Where the hell did I even say Puks? I am talking about Mamools. I've done it. I've experienced it. It worked.

And while we're on the topic of bards. Hayguesswhat. They have MP and Cure III as well.
 
Chakra's a 5 minute recast. In a high-speed cannon without shadows, you're gonna need a free Cure IV way more than once per 5 minutes.
 
Bards curing your pt? Okay, then your bard's going to die when he runs out of mp to cure himself. They get hit on almost every pull. If they don't cure themselves, guess who cures them? Yup, that whm/rdm trying to conserve mp.
 
Skaw said:
Uh. Haste is 40 MP. 20 second recast. With 5 MP/Refresh, 3 seconds per tick. in 8 you've recovered. SUPRISE. Hastes recast is almost long enough for the 8 tick 40 MP recovery. It's essentially free with Sanction and a Refresh item. Not to mention is lasts 5 minutes. You're spending 160 MP across 80 seconds, for 300 seconds. While recovering 160 MP every 96 Seconds. If you're that god damn tight on MP to do the rest of you're job, you're just plain pitiful at the game.

You might call me ignorant about it. But then again, I'll just call you ignorant for not looking at exactly how much this equals out to with the MP gain, just because you want people to cower behind a Ninja subjob.

You might tout that its easier. I'm trying to explain that mathematically, it makes no difference if one person is /war, or atleast a Monk with a very heavily built up Chakra.
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Actually haste only lasts 3 mintues. As a whm, if the party is all /nin's and doesn't suck I rarely have a significant dip into my mp pool. I haven't had any parties with someone who wasn't subbing nin, but it'd be worth a shot.
 
Rappa said:
Chakra's a 5 minute recast. In a high-speed cannon without shadows, you're gonna need a free Cure IV way more than once per 5 minutes.
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And yet, NIN/WARs and WAR/NINs have provoke. Ones equipped as well as Decidence and Jamal should have no issue pulling something back from a Monk equipped and merited like myself.
 
Skaw said:
Where the hell did I even say Puks? I am talking about Mamools. I've done it. I've experienced it. It worked.

And while we're on the topic of bards. Hayguesswhat. They have MP and Cure III as well.
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I partied with Skaw on Mamool Ja, with Ishaela as the WHM, and myself on DRG/WAR as well.

We roamed the path near the Jade Sepulcher.

Other two melee were both WAR/NIN if I remember correctly, and the party had a Bard... we managed 11.5k/hr and only had to pause for MP once after we made a mistake in the pull order and had to handle half the path's repops all at once.
 
jamal said:
/sigh


The bard needs to run to get the next mob ready, have it dispelled and ready, there are frequent links, so lullaby is being recast over and over, plus melee songs...
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Funny i would have to quote myself...you want the bard to give you cures too? lol how selfish can you get...

Congratulations on your chakra...fighting 3 mamools per minutes, ws'ing 2 outa 3, your chakra keeps up...its a cure IV, meaning it pulls hate right back if u use it midfight....inconsistancies are funny
 
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