Peace QCDN.

[Mokk]

Being able to see the rights and wrongs of boths sides of it are the only thing keeping this thread afloat at this point, for the most part .. albeit heavily moderated.

 

[Charah]

I didn't make Eulore edit 123 of his posts to include nothing but the quote I asked him to remove. It was his choice, and his alone. If he was dissatisfied with the decision I made, he could have made a thread about it to discuss it without to act like he did editing his posts.

And England didn't physically make those bostonians throw a bunch of tea in the harbor, but it still happened as a result of their actions. It was simply how they expressed their dissatisfaction & rebellion versus the government/establishment. They felt they had to be dramatic to make their point because they wouldn't be listened to. (or rather, they'd be listened to, then ignored.)

I'm guessing that's how Eulore felt. I imagine that's how many people in the userbase feel.

He didn't get his point across, and got himself banned in the process.

I think he did get his point accross. You may be oblivious to it, but not all of us are.

 

[Sculli]

There is no point in circular arguments.
Asking quoters to remove quotes from their sig by request of the quoted is the way things have been done, and the way it was done in Eulore's case as well as other members cases that had the same quote.
That is a fact, and nothing will change that being true.

Arguing whether it should have been done or not will not change the fact that it has been done.

This thread has produced some good suggestions as to how to change things in the future.

One of the things that remains to be answered though is why a Debate Forum would somehow lead to more passionate discussions that say posting the very same thread to the General Discussion forum. Those who posted about the Debate Forum already agreed that the discussion should be passionate, but without insults. What is it that makes that possible in Debate Forum (someone come up with a name? otherwise you will be stuck with Vanadiel Debate Society) but impossible in the current General Discussion?

 

[Odon]

I'd like to send a shout out to my nigga sculli for deleteing my posts.

You're the man now dog.

 

[Dejan]

I've been reading this since day one, and just decided to post a quick comment;

Sculli, you were a person i admired a lot, someone who re-formatted the forums for the good of the whole community in your own time. That made me like you already.

But Sculli, when will you realize what you're doing?
Maybe you'll only figure it out when it's too late. I don't know what's going on, but it seems to be driving everyone away from these forums, which are the one thing most of us from the Quetzy server are proud of.

Just... Get a grip man.

 

[Sculli]

Just... Get a grip man.

I won't appease those who want the old FB back.
As I said before in this thread, pretty much everything else is negotiable. Very few are actually trying to negotiate though, most step on the Sculli-Sucks bandwagon and ride along.

 

[Tec]

I won't appease those who want the old FB back.
As I said before in this thread, pretty much everything else is negotiable. Very few are actually trying to negotiate though, most step on the Sculli-Sucks bandwagon and ride along.

I don't think you're a bad guy.
I just think that HR class was bullshit.
Interaction is human relations, not some seminar.
You can learn more from your posters then you can from some classroom.

 

[Omniscientx]

Wow Sculli, your judgment = shit
I was one of the people that supported the removal of the FB, but that doesn't mean you should make even more rules. Its a forum, Windaria is a little psycho (Thats not harassment is it?), and Eulore didn't do anything wrong.

 

[Omniscientx]

I won't appease those who want the old FB back.
As I said before in this thread, pretty much everything else is negotiable. Very few are actually trying to negotiate though, most step on the Sculli-Sucks bandwagon and ride along.

Its not even about the FB, Dejan is right that whenever a new player wants to know which world to join..I always use to say "Quetz, best player community and we have our own forum where basically the whole server is signed up on". I no longer say that, because you have really gone over board on every level.

 

[Trippyhippy]

I won't appease those who want the old FB back.
As I said before in this thread, pretty much everything else is negotiable. Very few are actually trying to negotiate though, most step on the Sculli-Sucks bandwagon and ride along.

I'm not on that bandwagon. I was also one of the few that was glad you got rid of the flameboard. I still think your wrong on this whole Eulore decision. Unfortunatly, he felt he had to do something to get banned, so that decision can never be reversed.

Also Eulore did try to negotioate with you. You responded with an outburst. Something along the lines of "Jesus christ, is it that hard to understand yadda yadda yadda".

I must admit, I'll never tell anyone ingame about the awesome open forum that welcomes everyone, because we don't have it anymore. QCDN dies a little bit more everytime you defend the action you took against Eulore.

Windaria is indeed a crazy christian self hating lesbian conglomerate of a confused person. This whole incident just gives me even more of a reason to not like her.

 

[tonicfly]

I won't appease those who want the old FB back.
As I said before in this thread, pretty much everything else is negotiable. Very few are actually trying to negotiate though, most step on the Sculli-Sucks bandwagon and ride along.

thats the thing its not just the flameboard. its gotten to the point that is something is slightly insulting in any way shape or form its editted out of taken out all together. this place has become way to sugar coated because rules are being laid down after the fact before anyone has really gotten used to the new ways of qcdn

 

[Bajaratt]

Actually, I have the opposite stance; I was against the removal of the FB, but I wasn't on Eulore's side about the whole thing. Someone finds it offensive, you ask them to remove it, that makes sense. Not wanting people to have offensive sigs, that also makes sense; because otherwise I could have hardcore porn or blood and guts in my sig and that wouldn't be appropriate. He's whining about being asked to take down something deemed offensive; seriously, cry more. /plays a violin.

I agree that she really doesn't have any ground to stand on, she said something stupid, people called her on it; she only has herself to blame. I agree that she's trying to ditch any responsibility for what she said/did, but I don't really care about him asking Eulore to remove it from his sig. Then the dumbass decided to "rebel" and change over a hundred of his posts to be that quote, where is there any room to defend him again? There wasn't a rule explicitly stating no harrassment in sigs, but there was a "no harrassment" rule, which also applies to sigs. He thought he had a loop-hole, he was wrong.

I agree that this website is getting too-PC, too-daycare, <Too Weak> for it to be much fun. I like the idea of having a discussion without it resorting to "Fuck you," "no, fuck you;" but at the same time, these rules are being taken too far. I personally wouldn't be surprised if in the next month any swearing was outlawed, in an effort to "keep the site friendly." While it might work, at least on face, all of these drastic and sudden changes are leading to more and more people leaving. What was once one of my favorite forums is now just a shell of it's former glory; because so many people were driven away and so much content was removed. Not all of it was useful, but enough of it was and now very little of that useful content will be posted again because of the ridiculous "community standards."

 

[Tec]

Actually, I have the opposite stance; I was against the removal of the FB, but I wasn't on Eulore's side about the whole thing. Someone finds it offensive, you ask them to remove it, that makes sense. Not wanting people to have offensive sigs, that also makes sense; because otherwise I could have hardcore porn or blood and guts in my sig and that wouldn't be appropriate. He's whining about being asked to take down something deemed offensive; seriously, cry more. /plays a violin.

I agree that she really doesn't have any ground to stand on, she said something stupid, people called her on it; she only has herself to blame. I agree that she's trying to ditch any responsibility for what she said/did, but I don't really care about him asking Eulore to remove it from his sig. Then the dumbass decided to "rebell" and change over a hundred of his posts to be that quote, where is there any room to defend him again? There wasn't a rule explicitly stating no harrassment in sigs, but there was a "no harrassment" rule, which also applies to sigs. He thought he had a loop-hole, he was wrong.

I agree that this website is getting too-PC, too-daycare, <Too Weak> for it to be much fun. I like the idea of having a discussion without it resorting to "Fuck you," "no, fuck you;" but at the same time, these rules are being taken too far. I personally wouldn't be surprised if in the next month any swearing was outlawed, in an effort to "keep the site friendly." While it might work, at least on face, all of these drastic and sudden changes are leading to more and more people leaving. What was once one of my favorite forums is now just a shell of it's former glory; because so many people were driven away and so much content was removed. Not all of it was useful, but enough of it was and now very little of that useful content will be posted again because of the ridiculous "community standards."

Amen!

 

[Mishaela]

Gonna skip 18 pages because I know it's gonna be the same back-and-forth squabble of a dozen crows, am I right?

Sculli removing the post because it offended someone was irrevelant; he removed it because she didn't want it in someone's sig. Times like this I'd kindof hope a gilseller freqented the boards and just popped some of you in his sig, just so you could see from the other point of view that maybe you just don't wanna be in that person's sig.

I'm not touching the rest of this thread...yeah, there's rules I agree with and alot I don't agree with, but making such a big f-!king deal over having to change a sig? JESUS...

*edit* If I may add, what if it were a friend asking you to remove your quoting them? Would you just laugh at them and keep the sig anyways, even though it might upset them or sortof put them in a bad position with you? I somehow doubt it, and really, people giving their friends special rights over others utterly pisses me off. So do you people treat your buddies like crap too if they had a personal request, or are you just putting them on magical pedastals because they're "good enough to be your friend"? What a bunchof crap...

 

[Torqameda]

Well, I know I wouldn't want a quote in someone's sig if it made me look like a dumbass. So, I wouldv'e probally asked for that person to remove it as well, but there would still be other consequences in this, both positive and negative.

 

[chrono fantasy]

If you say something you're not always going to have someone looking over you to remove what you said as simple as that and block you out. People use other's quotes for arguments all that time, and what was said can't just simply be erased from existence.

Sure it's a rule on here and such, so that's all fine and dandy, but can people still put the quote up without her name being mentioned that she said that? Maybe my question was answered somewhere, I kind of skimmed through this thread a little.

 

[Torqameda]

If you say something you're not always going to have someone looking over you to remove what you said as simple as that and block you out. People use other's quotes for arguments all that time, and what was said can't just simply be erased from existence.

Sure it's a rule on here and such, so that's all fine and dandy, but can people still put the quote up without her name being mentioned that she said that? Maybe my question was answered somewhere, I kind of skimmed through this thread a little.

Don't think it was fully answered to a full extent

 

[Rappa]

It was answered that you can't use the quote w/o her name:
http://www.qcdn.org/showpost.php?p=427672&postcount=169

 

[Dowzer]

Gonna skip 18 pages because I know it's gonna be the same back-and-forth squabble of a dozen crows, am I right?

Sculli removing the post because it offended someone was irrevelant; he removed it because she didn't want it in someone's sig. Times like this I'd kindof hope a gilseller freqented the boards and just popped some of you in his sig, just so you could see from the other point of view that maybe you just don't wanna be in that person's sig.

I'm not touching the rest of this thread...yeah, there's rules I agree with and alot I don't agree with, but making such a big f-!king deal over having to change a sig? JESUS...

*edit* If I may add, what if it were a friend asking you to remove your quoting them? Would you just laugh at them and keep the sig anyways, even though it might upset them or sortof put them in a bad position with you? I somehow doubt it, and really, people giving their friends special rights over others utterly pisses me off. So do you people treat your buddies like crap too if they had a personal request, or are you just putting them on magical pedastals because they're "good enough to be your friend"? What a bunchof crap...

You've obviously never belonged to a group of friends where a guy got really drunk and nails a fat chick. That dude will never stop hearing about it, even from his friends =P

 

[Torqameda]

You've obviously never belonged to a group of friends where a guy got really drunk and nails a fat chick. That dude will never stop hearing about it, even from his friends =P

:shok: Okay? Interesting? And this proves that posts do get irrevelant to the topic. lmao. But your post gave me a good laugh. :biggrin: