Pld Sword Vs Club

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what does everyone use im a pld and use club 90% the time when tanking if u have ever seen me or party with me u will know it dont effect my tanking at all and some times its far better then my sword both are caped at over 210 i think its 213 off hand but im not sure but my club out damages my sword on weapon skills and regular damage but i've some time get people who say im gimp because i use club over a sword how many plds ever lvled using club ?

so the question is to club or to sword ?
 
Mach +1 is pretty much the tanking standard. Enmity+ is nice for all ja's. Never used a club; your dmg you get in difference really wolnt outweight the enm+.
 
idk at 57 i get +17 emn 4 merits in it af hands head and parade body then astral rope and the HB mantle and right now my true strikes do from 150-400 on birds when i get the tp and my sword barely does 140 with any weapon skill on them
 
sure you not using wrong sword?

i havent heard any PLD use club in exp party
 
I have never heard or seen of a pld using club in an exp party. I personally wouldn't use a club in exp unless I was fighting bones.

+17 Enmity is not enough if you have DD's worth their salt, even with 4 more in merits. You're 57. DD's are just starting to get their good pieces of gear. You will want to stack more and more enmity as you progress in levels and Mac+1 will become your best friend.

Peace,
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I have seen plds tank with earth staffs and Vermy. They also kept hate. Parties were 64~72. Once they had Spirit taker they kept a constant flow of mp. I am not 100% sure, but i "think" pld gets an A+ with club. Also Hexa strike might put out enough dmg to help a pld keep hate. I personally was able to tank at 67 as pld in a vermy in a 5/6 JP party and kept hate <we had no rdm>. By the end of the party I got impossible to gauge pld in auto translate by every memeber.

Using a club, he still can use shields with emnity, also lv 68 the allied noted give some of the highest emnity gear for pld that is easily obtained. I would think since I could hold hate in a vermy, he could with a club. After all I lost more emnity putting on the vermy than he will with a club. It took someone to try using nin/drk to see that it worked, so maybe this is another thing people should try to see if it is infact better.
 
Keryan said:
I have seen plds tank with earth staffs and Vermy. They also kept hate. Parties were 64~72. Once they had Spirit taker they kept a constant flow of mp. I am not 100% sure, but i "think" pld gets an A+ with club. Also Hexa strike might put out enough dmg to help a pld keep hate. I personally was able to tank at 67 as pld in a vermy in a 5/6 JP party and kept hate <we had no rdm>. By the end of the party I got impossible to gauge pld in auto translate by every memeber.

Using a club, he still can use shields with emnity, also lv 68 the allied noted give some of the highest emnity gear for pld that is easily obtained. I would think since I could hold hate in a vermy, he could with a club. After all I lost more emnity putting on the vermy than he will with a club. It took someone to try using nin/drk to see that it worked, so maybe this is another thing people should try to see if it is infact better.
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shield is much much better than earth staff on almost anything.
hexa strike is whm main only, even though pld gets higher club skill.



I've messed around with the templar mace a bit and it was decent but now that there's atonement I can't see me not using sword, unless I'm not meleeing.

true strike is a nice ws, so I'm not gonna call you crazy but with a DD gear set (macroed in) vorpal blade can definately do more on exp mobs and swords generally have higher DPS ratings which means more damage the rest of the time (unless you fighting bones). Also there's everyone's favorite mach+1 which is purely just for enmity, on anything I could damage decent (especially weak to peircing) I prefered joytoy to this but that's just me.
 
Jakey said:
shield is much much better than earth staff on almost anything.
hexa strike is whm main only, even though pld gets higher club skill.



I've messed around with the templar mace a bit and it was decent but now that there's atonement I can't see me not using sword, unless I'm not meleeing.

true strike is a nice ws, so I'm not gonna call you crazy but with a DD gear set (macroed in) vorpal blade can definately do more on exp mobs and swords generally have higher DPS ratings which means more damage the rest of the time (unless you fighting bones). Also there's everyone's favorite mach+1 which is purely just for enmity, on anything I could damage decent (especially weak to peircing) I prefered joytoy to this but that's just me.
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100% right :)
Except joyeuse is piercing dmg and mach+1 is slashing. Even with that though joyeuse is usually better though. (Not sure if he ment to say that)
 
but what im saying is that i like to use club cuz i dont have mac +1 yet or any the good sword stuff but even then ive seen true strike do far more i partied with a war/nin dual wield Brass jad +1 and horrent and do true strike for 1k-2k every time he didnt really use a str build to do it he used a Vits/str build more vits then str
 
inyashaz said:
but what im saying is that i like to use club cuz i dont have mac +1 yet or any the good sword stuff but even then ive seen true strike do far more i partied with a war/nin dual wield Brass jad +1 and horrent and do true strike for 1k-2k every time he didnt really use a str build to do it he used a Vits/str build more vits then str
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Thats kinda hard to believe, what lvl though, and what mob?
I always heard true strike was strong, but from a WAR?
And Wiki doesn't say VIT effects true strike too btw.
 
In an EXP pt, i don't think it matters until Mac+1 level, use whatever the hell you want as long as you can keep hate, and don't take too much damage no-one will care.

Endgame-wise, don't even think about it. There's several weapons for different tanking situations, without going into detail - none of them are clubs. Mac+1 is still the easiest to obtain, and a really good sword for many occasions.
 
Keryan said:
Also Hexa strike might put out enough dmg to help a pld keep hate.
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WHM only. Didn't see anyone point this out so I thought I'd make that clear. Though, I do believe you get it with WHM sub.....
 
Bladewind said:
In an EXP pt, i don't think it matters until Mac+1 level, use whatever the hell you want as long as you can keep hate, and don't take too much damage no-one will care.

Endgame-wise, don't even think about it. There's several weapons for different tanking situations, without going into detail - none of them are clubs. Mac+1 is still the easiest to obtain, and a really good sword for many occasions.
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Agreed, as long as you keep hate, i don't think anyone would mind, although i kept wondering.... why are you being proud of dealing so and so damage with so and so ws, PLD tanks, takes less damage from shield, keep hate bla bla bla, honesly switching gears too often on exp party isn't efficient on player's stress lvls (for those saying to switch to DD or WS gears).

But if you have the money and the gears to DD tank and still minimize damage taken, i don't see why not.

Mach +1 wins for all enmity purposes tho.

as for the poster question:

Club (A-): bone and assorted other funs (I tried using Morgenstern on a few occasions, i'd still say sword wins since i got joy and attonement)

Sword (A+): Highest skill, lower delays, more choices to choose from, weaker ws at start, spirit within for Gods/HNMs at start, Attonement for the rest of the fight (IF you can hit those high eva NMs -.-; ) more enmity (Mach+)

the choice is yours. :cool:
 
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