PLDs getting more invites?

[Romper]

I keep getting invites on my paladin. I thought these were non-existent. Whenever I flag up for sky or w/e on paladin. I get party do you need it? I almost cry each time because I am doing something else, but get the offer.

 

[Khajit]

It's cause theyre the only tanks left I'd think. All those ninja cannons ect is taking a toll on the amount of availiable tanks. Tons of cannon onry ninjas are around( i dont blame em after seeing the crap on people from 67-74) the jobs that don;t fit into cannons or arent let in commonly ect still need a tank that wont result in em dying from doing thier job properly. ect ect

I've even heard cases of ninja's refusing to tank/voke even a slept mob. Wars in general don't remember they have voke anyway either. Dealing with that brings about longing for a job guarenteed to at least try and get hate.

 

[Darklion]

If there are not NINs seeking I just get a shit load of DD's and call it good. 12-14Kxp/hr I call that good.

 

[Jeska]

I get random invites at 75 now moreso than I did a few months ago at same lv, I think people still want a PLD tank for some situations and with the improvemnts to rampart (magic shield) and shield blocking preventing casting interruptions a PLD is still a valid option for tanking.

 

[mdkuser]

i had an awsome pld tank on treant west of nashmau. Nins could NOT have tanked them. We had smn rdm blm drk mnk pld.

Also i fucking hate cannons pt cause most of the people suck at their jobs.. especially nins.. that dont blink.. they need cure 4 spam unlike pld. PLD is prefered when you have a BLM, cause lolnin cannot hold hate.

 

[hellstorm]

pld tank alows dd to go more all out then nin tank, also this might be because of bard shortage <may> <bee>

 

[tonicfly]

Ive actually had some pretty decent DD plds in a few of my merit parties. and jeska we still needa party its been way to long lol

 

[Ceciil]

pld tank alows dd to go more all out then nin tank, also this might be because of bard shortage <may> <bee>

Actually I don't agree with you here by my experience in pt's at 73-75 a decent NIN can hold hate way better with their haste gear and ws dmg. A pld can't do much if I pull out a 1.5K Rampage, but NIN can keep up with me and get the mob to stay on him.(That is for regular equipped pld tanking) I defenitly don't say that pld is crap on holding hate cuz they are not but they are few skilled plds out there that can hold hate if they use tank gear, but there are some that can do it. I've actually partied with pld/nin that have done great dmg and can work as a replacement for any DD and semi tank, or main tank as a nin in a cannon pt. The pld's ive seen using Pld/nin have done equal dmg to a unmerited war,drk or mnk. Hitting Puks in Mamool Ja Staging Point for 60-80 per hit and doing Vorpal Blade for 400-700 note that this is without a brd, some dd's can't even do that dmg, but they just suck. Pld can be a very good DD with not that expensive equipment and the right skills of the player.

 

[Blackchaoshero]

pld have better hate. with a really good pld i could sub war and get haste on my monk and not have too much to worry about. i have only found maybe 2 nin thus far i could say that about.

 

[Reko]

In late 70's exp/merit pt's a well equipped DD ninja will steal hate from a pld.
I have Pld and Nin 75 both so I'm not just making this up to lol@pld's or w/e.

Fast good damage gives more hate than your voke and flash will.
If however Sentinel and Rampart were on a 30 sec timer aswell, the situation woulda been different.


But as said, every nin is busy with their cannon pt's, so the jobs that dont fit in a cannon have to invite a pld to tank for them.
And I would guess this is why PLD's get more invites now, I didn't have much trouble with invites 70 > 75.


Another aspect that also plays into this is the extra refresh a pld has these days.
Auto refresh, parade gorget and refresh sanction gives you 3/tick, add refresh to that and you're pretty self sufficient.
So people are realizing that pld dont equal downtime anymore.

 

[Icewolf]

Who cares if a nin cant keep hate (most of the time they can). Everyone now days are /nin, you take hate...no big deal, the mob will be dead in a few seconds.

Edit** I kinda forgot about blm's and such, was in a cannon mind set.

 

[mdkuser]

if a nin cannot hold hate in a merit pt how can he tank things in non merits.

 

[Jeska]

Actually I don't agree with you here by my experience in pt's at 73-75 a decent NIN can hold hate way better with their haste gear and ws dmg. A pld can't do much if I pull out a 1.5K Rampage, but NIN can keep up with me and get the mob to stay on him

Wrong a PLD can "cover" the affected hated person and gather hate quickly with various methods, a PLD can spam "cure 4" the affected person or go "invincble" even if needed even. I've merited cover's length of time and probably saved DD's that grab too much hate by taking the damage for them. PLD's have so many more options than just voke at their disposal, I may not be the best tank out there but I try damn hard to keep on top of the hate control, its very challenging at times but I've always enjoyed a challenge.

and jeska we still needa party its been way to long lol

Yes we do tonic, I always enjoy meriting with friends, let me know next time you have a spot for me.

 

[Jakey]

I got pld invites very fast all the way to 74 where I was stuck for about 2 weeks, but I didn't seek all that much, just got 75 on monday^^

 

[Romper]

I got pld invites very fast all the way to 74 where I was stuck for about 2 weeks, but I didn't seek all that much, just got 75 on monday^^

Congrats on 75 pld. It took me roughly 6 months to get 75 paladin. I delevel'd 73> 72 so much it wouldn't have taken that long if it weren't for those deaths. Stupid sky and dynamis.

 

[xena]

Lolpld

 

[Icewolf]

Lolpld

look what we have here, a loldrg making fun of another job!

owned

 

[Reko]

Wrong a PLD can "cover" the affected hated person and gather hate quickly with various methods, a PLD can spam "cure 4" the affected person or go "invincble" even if needed even. I've merited cover's length of time and probably saved DD's that grab too much hate by taking the damage for them. PLD's have so many more options than just voke at their disposal, I may not be the best tank out there but I try damn hard to keep on top of the hate control, its very challenging at times but I've always enjoyed a challenge.

Cure4 spam wont give you any hate unless there is HP to cure.
And if there's enough HP to cure to actually spam Cure4, well, then the whole "who can hold hate" question is solved.
Cuz it obviously isn't the tank.

And yes, invincible gives decent hate.
But it's a 2hour ability so you cant really take that into calculation in an exp/merit pt because the DD's will deal the same amount of dmg every fight.
And you cant really hold pulls til Invincible is ready again
Pld's do have many ways to get hate, but all but voke and flash is on a pretty long timer and you can pretty much only use one of them / fight, (In exp/merits that is), to be able to keep the chains going.

This is why nin is better at holding hate in exp/merits late 70's.
They deal close to the same amount, sometimes more depending on gear, of damage as your DD's.
With voke on that, and hojo/kurayami, you're set for some easy tanking.

 

[Caerloc]

if a nin cannot hold hate in a merit pt how can he tank things in non merits.

Was this a joke?

 

[Zerayla]

Cure4 spam wont give you any hate unless there is HP to cure.
And if there's enough HP to cure to actually spam Cure4, well, then the whole "who can hold hate" question is solved.

If the PLD isn't able to keep hate long enough within the first few minutes to take enough damage to cast a Cure IV, then he needs to reconsider his gear (and possibly skills)

In my experience, a well equipped and skilled PLD will hold hate regardless of lvl (as long as Provoke is available) over a Ninja. This is not including meritted jobs however.