Please everyone visit this thread coz someone is spreading roomor that is not true

[hellstorm]

answer this then what do people buy when they buy from rmt?

The gil? nope

what "they" buy is there time they spend farming your gil.

Now here the kicker the end to all discusion that rmt hurt the econemy.

There are only 3 ways to produce gil.

1) quest
2) monsters
3) sell stuff to npc mercents

Anyone can do these and everyone does do these. Everything that rmt is strikely legal. <outside of selling the gil.> So where do gil seller get the gil it dont magicly apper. The gil fairy dont come down and say here you go mr. rmt he 50mil for you. So where do the get this gil???:rtfm:

ding!!! they get it from us they get it from the people who do the money quest, the people who do avatar prime once a week, the people who sell them hare meat or regen spell to npc.:biggrin:

So stop whinning that rmt is ruining the econemy because they are playing the econmy just like use the only diffent is the control to traffic of items because no one bother to cc them.

:bb: point set match now that settled you go back whinning about how people leave ls after getting the gil they want.:wink:

 

[hellstorm]

what "buyer" buy is the time "seller" spend farming to get the gil.

correction

 

[meeze]

You are a retard. They sell money to people who would not be in the market for most of the items that they use. That creates more buyers in that market, prices go up. Are you too stupid to understand? You are lucky RDM is just a refresh whore in end game or you'd be on the outside looking in.

 

[Mishaela]

(Bunchof colors and half a dozen misused emotes, whoamg)

Sorry, but making different font sizes and a rainbow of colors isn't gonna help get your all but sh-!t point across. Very few people CC gilsellers because with the anti-MPK measures and the fact that gilsellers camp most good drops in outrageous numbers (seen up to eight gilsellers camping Novv, which pops off of just one mob), no ones really up for 8:1 (if not worse) odds at claiming an NM when it also takes several hours of camping which can leave one tired whereas gilsellers swap off RL people god knows how many times per day.

Your arguement seems to be that it's OK that gilsellers sell gil because people buy stuff from them, which is the most f-!king stupid thing I've heard in ages. Most people don't porposely buy from gilsellers. When people want Siren Hair and put a couple million gil off one in the AH, there's no telling wether it's someone who got a drop off Suzaku or if it's one of those lifeless idiots humping Novv or Yarr's leg all day.

I'll try to dumb this down for you as much as humanly possible. If gilsellers didn't exist, supply/demand would be virtually the same because non-gilsellers would camp in their place, not to mention there'd be minor deflation due to an unmonopolized item having competition to sell so people would undercut. The only difference is that idiots like you wouldn't be able to buy their gil to shortcut their way to buying expensive crap, which results in spasms of item shortages, which is the sole cause of inflation.

I'm sure none of this is gonna get thru though. You're just some turd who probably pops a codebreaker into his gaming system before he opens the damn game. If you had half a brain you'd know that if there were no gilsellers, you'd be able to camp alot more NMs with considerably less competition, which would result in your being able to afford crap you want without having to burn RL money AND not cause some stupid inflation by uncontrolled money splurging.

 

[Tomdizzel]

Hey ellessar, i knows u didnt do this and who would ever start this to a nice guy as u. u out of all ppl even afater loosing gear. lent me and i still use them, Custom M pants. thxs bud /tell if ya need em back

 

[pakomen]

Here we go, insult, insult, insult... you win... /sarcasm

Blah blah, smidgen of logic that halfheartedly makes sense.. etc

hellstorm is right on the mark. people take rmt way out of proportion. yes, it's the EASE of getting millions of gil in a minute's time that jacks up the price. that's for absolute certain. But, the money doesn't magically appear. It already existed.

You are lucky RDM is just a refresh whore in end game or you'd be on the outside looking in.

I'm a black mage. My shit is cheap. Not all mage shit is cheap. But, I never ever depended on a LS to get me any of my shit. Now I'm also a 75 bst (solo, fuck you very much). I worked for my hauberk and it was a pain in the ass. So, anyone of you who ever, ever disses a mage for being a refresh whore or just a blm can suck my cock. Because even though I'm a mage, I worked my ass off for my melle gear as well.

The second you attacked hellstorm for being a refresh whore is the second I entered this arguement, you piece of shit melle.

 

[Mishaela]

Here we go, insult, insult, insult... you win... /sarcasm

Blah blah, smidgen of logic that halfheartedly makes sense.. etc

hellstorm is right on the mark. people take rmt way out of proportion. yes, it's the EASE of getting millions of gil in a minute's time that jacks up the price. that's for absolute certain. But, the money doesn't magically appear. It already existed.


I'm a black mage. My shit is cheap. Not all mage shit is cheap. But, I never ever depended on a LS to get me any of my shit. Now I'm also a 75 bst (solo, fuck you very much). I worked for my hauberk and it was a pain in the ass. So, anyone of you who ever, ever disses a mage for being a refresh whore or just a blm can suck my cock. Because even though I'm a mage, I worked my ass off for my melle gear as well.

The second you attacked hellstorm for being a refresh whore is the second I entered this arguement, you piece of shit melle.

I know this is only sortof half at me (cause I couldn't care less what job someone is if I think they're a total idiot..)

Yes, the money already existed, but the difference is that if someone not-RMT gets the item, it'd either be saving them the (x million gil) they'd spend by buying it or they'd sell it to someone and get some gil that -they actually earned by camping and claiming that mob-.


You admit you worked your butt off to get your gear. I don't see how you can not be pissed that some person thinks it's totally fine to halfass their money-making method and just swipe a card all because they don't wanna camp/farm themself. I'd like to get a couple million gil as much as the next person, but cutting the corner of working for it is just stupid. If you're not gonna put forth the effort towards getting something in the game, why play it at all, y'know? It doesn't matter that the money they put in already existed because they took it out first, and that could've been money someone would've worked for and actually deserved.

Yeh, I tossed an insult or two. Only do when I'm really pissed, but it's not like you didn't just toss half a dozen yourself..

 

[meeze]

hellstorm is right on the mark. people take rmt way out of proportion. yes, it's the EASE of getting millions of gil in a minute's time that jacks up the price. that's for absolute certain. But, the money doesn't magically appear. It already existed.

Umm, well you agree with me on the inflation part, RMT helps inflation.

Now where the gil comes from. How many people remember all the RMT hanging out in Jugner and B. downs farming tiger teeth? Who remembers all the fishers in Yughott grotto, Zeruhn Mines, Rabao who NPC fish? Who remembers people like LooLoo (i think that was his name) 24/7 making padded crap and NPCing them? Who remembers all the RMT in Davoi, Beadeux, Castle O, SSG, killing beastman after beastman while waiting for NMs to pop?

Most of the NPC items have been nerfed but they were there 24/7 doing this stuff for years. They used to train fish bots in buburimbu by the dozen.

Yes some "legit" players did the botting, the NPCing and all that, but there is no way they could compete.

As for the refresh whore thing, I was attacking his brain capacity to do anything else. I'm sure they have a different RDM do the harder tasks.

 

[pakomen]

Yeh, I tossed an insult or two. Only do when I'm really pissed, but it's not like you didn't just toss half a dozen yourself..

The reason I tossed an insult (or two) is because Meeze belittled the rdm as little more than a refresh whore. When meeze wouldn't be where he is right now if he hadn't had a party that had 1) refresh or 2) mage's balad. So any melle that made it on his own isn't worth shit in my opinion unless he's/she's ever level'd bst, because that is the only job in the game that has ever been completely self sufficient in my opinion.

As for meeze's last post, it was more of a history lesson than anything.

 

[hellstorm]

You are a retard. They sell money to people who would not be in the market for most of the items that they use. That creates more buyers in that market, prices go up. Are you too stupid to understand? You are lucky RDM is just a refresh whore in end game or you'd be on the outside looking in.

according to mishaela they would be because there would be no compatision. Then explain the sky situation mishaela there are no gil seller up there just the rare time mobs and the 14 - 16 na shell alone <not even counting jp> If rmt was not here there would be someone else. Rmt does not cause inflation there is not a surge of money that magicly apper the money was always out there. As for people that would not be in the market, that is true and like I said early that why I dont buy gil it unsporting and why I said rmt on large scale as it is now is not good. It got this way because no one stand up to them to balance the power. If people did then they would move on to other thing or even other servers/games. Now not everyone has the time to lvl and farm and get good gear. Not everyone can sit home and collect a unenployment check or summer vaction. Why did prices go down in feb. It had part to do with taking gil seller mule but in the bigger part of picture they took gil out of the system.


Rmt work just like game. if people cc them more there would be less supply so they raise price per mil people buy, making it hard for people to buy large amount of gil. Thou unlike in rl without rmt there be less supply and still just as much demand if not more.

further more comming from a whinny drk who has little to no part in endgame you have no room to talk, about what red mages do.

it you who need someone to get into your thick head, If rmt left so would this game. SE know this and that why they allow it. Lately it has gotten out of hand because people have gotten lazy and more and more rmt move in because it easy money, so SE step in. As for the color I figure it be able to get though your tiny little brain but guess not. <that to bad>

Your arguement seems to be that it's OK that gilsellers sell gil because people buy stuff from them, which is the most f-!king stupid thing I've heard in ages. Most people don't porposely buy from gilsellers. When people want Siren Hair and put a couple million gil off one in the AH, there's no telling wether it's someone who got a drop off Suzaku or if it's one of those lifeless idiots humping Novv or Yarr's leg all day.

The point I was trying to make is the gil that gilseller are selling come from everybody and everwhere, they dont make it magicly apper

 

[Blazeoffury]

Without RMT the game would be how it was supposed to be. Hard. It was not meant for every ninja to have a Scorpion harness 20 levels before he turned 57. It was not meant for every mnk to have cross-counters. This game was never meant to be as easy as people who buy gil make it for themselves. And you spoke of the people who dont have time to farm, level, and get good gear.. As for them, choose one of the above and work on it. Farm for your good gear for a while, then go back to leveling. It's not meant for a ninja to go from 1-75 without spending one day farming just because you can swipe a visa. And hellstorm, no amount of RMT is good for this game. You say RMT doesnt fuck the economy up, well there I must disagree with you. No RMT makes gil harder to come by, wich makes a rare item harder to obtain off of the AH. People will put it up for 2-3 weeks and get tired of wasting money putting it up and lower the price of it. If you would acutally THINK about what you are saying, it would make more since. People that don"t have time to farm don't deserve to be wearing the same kind of gear that someone who actually works for their gil does. Jusy my little thought for the day.

 

[hellstorm]

Umm, well you agree with me on the inflation part, RMT helps inflation.

Now where the gil comes from. How many people remember all the RMT hanging out in Jugner and B. downs farming tiger teeth? Who remembers all the fishers in Yughott grotto, Zeruhn Mines, Rabao who NPC fish? Who remembers people like LooLoo (i think that was his name) 24/7 making padded crap and NPCing them? Who remembers all the RMT in Davoi, Beadeux, Castle O, SSG, killing beastman after beastman while waiting for NMs to pop?

Most of the NPC items have been nerfed but they were there 24/7 doing this stuff for years. They used to train fish bots in buburimbu by the dozen.

Yes some "legit" players did the botting, the NPCing and all that, but there is no way they could compete.

As for the refresh whore thing, I was attacking his brain capacity to do anything else. I'm sure they have a different RDM do the harder tasks.

yes this is true the bots are a big problem but 99% of the seller do it completely legit. <also why prices have drop when the large amount of char was deleted.

as for refresh whore comment you have to ask kirin o wait he still hidding under bed "silienced" and "gravitized" over his defeat but kirin child play anyway.

 

[pakomen]

You admit you worked your butt off to get your gear. I don't see how you can not be pissed that some person thinks it's totally fine to halfass their money-making method and just swipe a card all because they don't wanna camp/farm themself.

I just read this again..

To be honest, I really don't give a shit whether or not so and so worked his ass off to get what he got. Why would it piss me off. It has no direct consequence on my game experience whatsoever unless the guy just completely sucks ass at the game. And I haven't met very many (if any) people who have been that pathetic at their job by the time they reached the 60's or 70's to where's it's really even surpassed that of borderline annoyance. At most.

This shit is stupid. People diss those for jumping on the bandwagon and whatnot, but that's all you guys do. RMT is the scapegoad. Always has been. Probably always will be. The cost of items is based on what people are willing to spend. After the hype that blah blah billion gilzors was dumped out of the server people expected prices to drop, so they tried to sell everything and their mother. Which led to prices dropping. It had nothing to do with gilseller accounts being banned, etc.. Jesus.

 

[meeze]

yes this is true the bots are a big problem but 99% of the seller do it completely legit. <also why prices have drop when the large amount of char was deleted.

as for refresh whore comment you have to ask kirin o wait he still hidding under bed "silienced" and "gravitized" over his defeat but kirin child play anyway.

How do you know 99% of GS do it legit? Are you just talking out of your ass again? Were you even playing when every GS was lvl 50 rank 1? Do you remember they didn't even have zilart so they couldn't get further? Are you completely naive to the first 3 or so years where

 

[meeze]

where they didn't camp HNM?

thats the end of what i was typing lol.

 

[hellstorm]

Without RMT the game would be how it was supposed to be. Hard. It was not meant for every ninja to have a Scorpion harness 20 levels before he turned 57. It was not meant for every mnk to have cross-counters. This game was never meant to be as easy as people who buy gil make it for themselves. And you spoke of the people who dont have time to farm, level, and get good gear.. As for them, choose one of the above and work on it. Farm for your good gear for a while, then go back to leveling. It's not meant for a ninja to go from 1-75 without spending one day farming just because you can swipe a visa. And hellstorm, no amount of RMT is good for this game. You say RMT doesnt fuck the economy up, well there I must disagree with you. No RMT makes gil harder to come by, wich makes a rare item harder to obtain off of the AH. People will put it up for 2-3 weeks and get tired of wasting money putting it up and lower the price of it. If you would acutally THINK about what you are saying, it would make more since. People that don"t have time to farm don't deserve to be wearing the same kind of gear that someone who actually works for their gil does. Jusy my little thought for the day.

lol never said that buying gil was sporting actually i said the exact oppsite. Like it or not though without rmt alot people would not play this game because they would be spending to much time farming because nothing in the ah. True id love to be able to go and camp serket to get my own serket ring or bune for enhancing sword, but you cant even get people to do a quest these day how the fuk you going get people to camp hnms. You going come back that what linkshell are for. rrighhtt you got people biching because they didnt get noble or odoso first, you honestly think people would help get big item like that. I think not

 

[pakomen]

lol are you just talking out of your ass again? how do you know they don't? are you just waxing nostalgic?

 

[Mishaela]

Then explain the sky situation mishaela there are no gil seller up there just the rare time mobs and the 14 - 16 na shell alone <not even counting jp> If rmt was not here there would be someone else.

Wait.."if RMT weren't there, there'd be someone else there"....could've sworn I just said that. Oh crap, I DID.

Gilsellers don't go up there because it'd take alot of their time and effort getting thru ZMs just to camp some already seriously overcamped mobs, and none of them have spectacularly good drop rates. If a gilseller doesn't go there, it's because they're either too incompetent and/or it's not worth their time, obviously. Not to mention they don't exactly have good reputations - it wouldn't exactly be tough to drag a Groundskeeper or anything else with an AOE onto them and mopping em just for being up there.

Regarding your color chart teaching me all the widdle ways to make money, I don't need moneymaking advice from some gilbuying puddlescum, thanks.

if rmt left so would this game.

I'm assuming you mean that the game would die without RMT. If that -is- what you mean....well god, no word can express the magnitude of stupidity that sentance holds.

 

[hellstorm]

How do you know 99% of GS do it legit? Are you just talking out of your ass again? Were you even playing when every GS was lvl 50 rank 1? Do you remember they didn't even have zilart so they couldn't get further? Are you completely naive to the first 3 or so years where

the gil sellers that camp majority of the mob today do not use any 3rd party programs. Hell there even a group of rmt blms that do dynamis. we are not talking then we are talking now. Gil seller play game just like we do in fact they play it more then we do. I dont agree with there methods but that mostly se fault for making certain camps no drop. <like to add you see what happen to though spawn they did.> fuk lets just make the game all no drop then there be no argoments. O wait that right we dont even have enough space as it none the less that everything became rare/ex.
There are still many botter out there but majority of them have been controled. Though there is a program out there that allow someone to duplicate gil and it not controled by a gs if that hits the market it be game over :wacko:

 

[hellstorm]

Wait.."if RMT weren't there, there'd be someone else there"....could've sworn I just said that. Oh crap, I DID.

Gilsellers don't go up there because it'd take alot of their time and effort getting thru ZMs just to camp some already seriously overcamped mobs, and none of them have spectacularly good drop rates. If a gilseller doesn't go there, it's because they're either too incompetent and/or it's not worth their time, obviously. Not to mention they don't exactly have good reputations - it wouldn't exactly be tough to drag a Groundskeeper or anything else with an AOE onto them and mopping em just for being up there.

Regarding your color chart teaching me all the widdle ways to make money, I don't need moneymaking advice from some gilbuying puddlescum, thanks.


I'm assuming you mean that the game would die without RMT. If that -is- what you mean....well god, no word can express the magnitude of stupidity that sentance holds.

what im saying is thatere are many camps that rmt dont even have ahold of yet there over camped.

secoundly ive already said that I dont buy gil nor do i support it, though I am saying that rmt is need for this game to stay afloat.

thirdly and lastly they not teaching you how to make money it showing you how money is produce, it is not magicly produce by gil seller it is produce by everyone just that rmt do alot of work to obtain this gil buy farming items. So stop flow of item they sell = less money they control. Though look at some the jp player that have over 300 mil yet completely legit. Look at oden who is as he say he is and has as much money as he say he have then it clearly show that rmt does not infect econemy or if anything help people who actually work to get there gil.