POL New: another 1400 accounts suspended / terminated

[Bajaratt]

I don't read pol at all. I read that post. It says third party, no matter how harmless you think it is. That announcement said nothing about flee hacking, so get YOUR shit straight buddy.

It says in the post about the abnormal movement, you just read the third-party part and moved on.

Today, a number of accounts which were confirmed to have violated the user agreement by using unauthorized third-party software tools within FINAL FANTASY XI to enable abnormal in-game movement were discovered and have been suspended or permanently terminated.

Based on the results of an investigation, over 1,400 PlayOnline accounts have been either suspended or terminated on Aug. 30, 2006 for the malicious and intentional use of these third-party tools.

We would like to take this time to remind our players that the use of any third-party tools will not only destroy the in-game balance, but will also encourage RMT (real money trading) activities. We will continue to take strict actions against those individuals that we have confirmed to have used such tools.

Please note that some of these third-party tools may cause character information to be altered, erased, or personal information to be leaked to unwanted third parties. If you come across a third-party tool over the Internet, we ask that you please refrain from the download of such a tool, no matter how minor it may appear to be.

To ensure our customers could enjoy the game safely, we will continue to apply measurements to combat these third-party tools and violations.

We thank you for your cooperation and understanding in this matter.

 

[meeze]

guess I shouldn't wake up and start reading...

 

[Chasym]

thats what they said last time too, and all i had was windower and i got suspended. This time im on a whole different system and get passed over. I dont take that as just luck. and turbo controllers are not bannable and not even convenient anymore anyway. Its not programs/software and is in no way detectable anyhow.
but getting a turbo controller to make much use in ffxi now adays would be pretty difficult

 

[Stouter]

Regardless of this, they said that using third party applications encourages RMT. So that meas Joe Vokebot and Jane Fleehack, who aren't gilsellers or have ever touched a gilbuying webpages, encourage RMT. Put down the crack pipe, guys.

Like I said, two entirely different offenses. Gil Sellers cheat, but Cheaters don't necessarily buy/sell gil. It's good that they actively get rid of both, but for the love of God, don't make retarded comments like that.

I think the correlation they're trying to draw is "I can't beat MrArgus at O-Kote, so I'm going to buy gil to get them at the AH."

But in the end it's just SE saying "Hey look, we're doing something about cheaters and RMT at the same time, two birds with one stone."

 

[neophytal]

its been pretty much established on theorderls.com that 99.99% people suspended/banned/terminated were using more than windower (or had at one point at least tried another 3rd party software) and are lying through their teeth if they say otherwise.

 

[Dowzer]

I don't read pol at all. I read that post. It says third party, no matter how harmless you think it is. That announcement said nothing about flee hacking, so get YOUR shit straight buddy.

ohkay meesta big maaan

 

[Lavi]

I think the correlation they're trying to draw is "I can't beat MrArgus at O-Kote, so I'm going to buy gil to get them at the AH."

But in the end it's just SE saying "Hey look, we're doing something about cheaters and RMT at the same time, two birds with one stone."

Nope. The correlation is that people see RMT and can't compete so they use third party programs to win. So for RMT to win, they start using third party programs and/or create more accounts thus encouraging more sellers/cheaters. At least that was my take; however, even so, I've never seen anyone besides sellers cheat anywhere so I'd think the opposite is the correct truth, sellers encourage cheating, not the other way around.

 

[Beka]

I wasnt really defending their statement, just glad people aer getting booted for using windower.

And before the crybabies come on telling me how harmless windower is, it doesn't matter, it breaks ToS. Do the crime, do the time.

I agree with Meeze... a rare day.

 

[Uzor]

and to those that think Windower is detectable, I've always used windower since I found it, Never got a warning or anything from a GM. So no, Windower people are not getting banned unless they run around talking about it in-game, which is really their fault anyway.

So those that DID get banned or suspended, either ran around saying they use Windower (by, as an example, saying they can see other people's TP), or they used hacks. Simple as that.

 

[Bajaratt]

and to those that think Windower is detectable, I've always used windower since I found it, Never got a warning or anything from a GM. So no, Windower people are not getting banned unless they run around talking about it in-game, which is really their fault anyway.

So those that DID get banned or suspended, either ran around saying they use Windower (by, as an example, saying they can see other people's TP), or they used hacks. Simple as that.

Yep, as long as you're not stupid enough to admit that you're using it in-game, then the windower isn't a reason to get banned.

 

[Samukami]

Don't forget the amount of screenshots you see posted with all that overlaying parsing shit covered all over the screenshots. I mean, that does create an unfair advantage to Console players, Windower... People will still take risks, but really, at there own risk, alot of times it's been stated they disapprove of it, if you get banned for using a Third Party tool(such as windower or anything else) so if you find yourself banned, you know why! Might aswell just live with it.

 

[Kire]

Talked to a xgm who i know and he said only way they found of speed hacking is when you zone and says "unable to enter zone" and every one of those goes into a book and they look into it.
Voke bots are very hard to get to as its on PC side not server same with windower.
Warp hacking is just stupid you would have a GM waiting when u zoned lol

so yeah uzor is right windower aint detactable unless u tell a GM, you cant be done for telling a person as i called a GM once saying this guy sells gill and asked me to buy and they still did jack GM said "he could be lieing you got to buy the gill but if you do you get ban to" lol

 

[Uzor]

Talked to a xgm who i know and he said only way they found of speed hacking is when you zone and says "unable to enter zone" and every one of those goes into a book and they look into it.
Voke bots are very hard to get to as its on PC side not server same with windower.
Warp hacking is just stupid you would have a GM waiting when u zoned lol

so yeah uzor is right windower aint detactable unless u tell a GM, you cant be done for telling a person as i called a GM once saying this guy sells gill and asked me to buy and they still did jack GM said "he could be lieing you got to buy the gill but if you do you get ban to" lol

That's the problem, if a person just says:

"Guys, do you mind if I go watch a movie that I downloaded illegally from the internet while we party? I have windower, so if there's any problems I can just alt-tab back to you to help you out. Besides, I have a BLM party bot playing me in the party, and in case I get hate I'll just use speed hack to run away from the mob, so don't worry"

it can not be taken as proof. If you call a GM on said person, he just have to say he was kidding, and the investigation will pretty much be abbandoned. They might keep an eye out for speed hacking, but other then that, there's nothing they can do, which sucks.

 

[Bajaratt]

Don't forget the amount of screenshots you see posted with all that overlaying parsing shit covered all over the screenshots. I mean, that does create an unfair advantage to Console players, Windower... People will still take risks, but really, at there own risk, alot of times it's been stated they disapprove of it, if you get banned for using a Third Party tool(such as windower or anything else) so if you find yourself banned, you know why! Might aswell just live with it.

Yes, but SE has repeatidly said that they can't use anything from outside the game as a means to make a decision about an account. So someone could literally post a picture showing them running Mr. Argus, the windower with all plugins, FFassist, flee hacks and anything else and SE wouldn't do anything. If they can't prove it in-game it might as well never have happened; which is why people can joke about using hacks(like my "lot hacks") and not get banned all the time.

 

[neophytal]

Yes, but SE has repeatidly said that they can't use anything from outside the game as a means to make a decision about an account. So someone could literally post a picture showing them running Mr. Argus, the windower with all plugins, FFassist, flee hacks and anything else and SE wouldn't do anything. If they can't prove it in-game it might as well never have happened; which is why people can joke about using hacks(like my "lot hacks") and not get banned all the time.

bingo. which is why its bs that people say "ha ha im windower only and got omgbanned!@*#&!"

 

[Samukami]

Yes, but SE has repeatidly said that they can't use anything from outside the game as a means to make a decision about an account. So someone could literally post a picture showing them running Mr. Argus, the windower with all plugins, FFassist, flee hacks and anything else and SE wouldn't do anything. If they can't prove it in-game it might as well never have happened; which is why people can joke about using hacks(like my "lot hacks") and not get banned all the time.

That's true. But, what I mean is, they must have some way of knowing now to make all these new bannings right? People have been banned, even on QCDN I think... So maybe that goes to show that they actually can find and prove it, otherwise, what ever reasons would they have for banning those accounts? :|

 

[Bajaratt]

That's true. But, what I mean is, they must have some way of knowing now to make all these new bannings right? People have been banned, even on QCDN I think... So maybe that goes to show that they actually can find and prove it, otherwise, what ever reasons would they have for banning those accounts? :|

People report others flee-hacking or pos-warping in game and the GM's watch and verify that the accused is in fact using illegal tools to move. Or, they check that message when the person goes to zone or however that works(Don't really understand it myself), either way that's in-game evidence, which is the only thing they use when they make decisions about accounts.

 

[Tagrineth]

That's true. But, what I mean is, they must have some way of knowing now to make all these new bannings right? People have been banned, even on QCDN I think... So maybe that goes to show that they actually can find and prove it, otherwise, what ever reasons would they have for banning those accounts? :|

What's more likely is people like Chasym may have been accused at some point of speed hacking (probably just stupid people who don't know about w.legs, or even an old bug related to w.legs, as in Tyrath's case) and didn't know about it, which set a "Movement-Related Tools" flag on his account - and when the last crackdown rolled around, they took that flag and turned it into a suspension.

 

[Chasym]

What's more likely is people like Chasym may have been accused at some point of speed hacking (probably just stupid people who don't know about w.legs, or even an old bug related to w.legs, as in Tyrath's case) and didn't know about it, which set a "Movement-Related Tools" flag on his account - and when the last crackdown rolled around, they took that flag and turned it into a suspension.

i dont have W. legs , just regular ol flee. which coulda been accounted for if people thought that was, i see people flee by all the time and i always check em to see if they have speed gear or /thf. Usually thf has been the case or w legs

 

[Lavi]

bingo. which is why its bs that people say "ha ha im windower only and got <A href="mailtomgbanned!@*#&!"[/quote">omgbanned!@*#&!"

Not really. If it was so easy to find someone guilty of cheating, these 1400 and the previous group would have been banned when they were first found cheating. SE is just trying to appease the user base and if it means killing "innocent" people who had been previously found guilty of breaking ToS, then so be it. The thing is SE doesn't have a clue who cheats and who doesn't unless the GM sees it first-hand and even worse, it's a judgement call by a GM who doesn't even play FF. GMs are so stupid, I called one and had to explain in graphic detail how Quu Domi and Mee Deggi spawn because he didn't understand a bit (didn't understand it even after I explained it) so that he would process my GM call which by the way, never got resolved. Unless SE starts mass banning RMT, I will never have any faith in their actions. 3 years and the same RMT still exist, you can't possibly believe they are doing their job.