POL NEWS : New Items Galore! (12/13/2006) AF3 ???

Shaunessy said:
Well normally those that do suck don't realize it. Just the fact that you think NIN doesn't have alot of gear or need all that stuff proves it, or you rely way too much on having a THF to SATA you for hate. Well guess what, not every party has a THF, so if you aren't prepared you suck. When I play NIN I am lucky to have 4-5 free spaces open, and that is with MAX invo on everything.
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ProTip: Filling your inventory with items doesn't magically make you good at a job.
 
Shaunessy said:
Well normally those that do suck don't realize it. Just the fact that you think NIN doesn't have alot of gear or need all that stuff proves it, or you rely way too much on having a THF to SATA you for hate. Well guess what, not every party has a THF, so if you aren't prepared you suck. When I play NIN I am lucky to have 4-5 free spaces open, and that is with MAX invo on everything.
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And again with your complete lack of knowledge but still talking like you know it all. I gear swap on everything but provoke/berserk, just like I do on monk, genius. I also hate having thf's in my party because I hate waiting on them to do SATA(only 2 so far haven't taken a long time) when I could already be tanking; the only reason I even party with a thf is because the party leaders think they're doing me a favor by inviting one. About the only thing that could be improved on my NIN is making my gear HQ rather than NQ, but the increase in cost isn't worth the insignificant difference it'd show.

On top of the fact that I carry a bunch of gear on my NIN, I still have space for all the gear for my 4 other jobs(all very well geared), and I still have 8 slots free in my inventory. The only thing that you're showing is that you suck with resource management, space in this case; I don't carry around a lot of useless shit, but I must be in the minority on that.
 
Bajaratt said:
What level nin? Unless you're spamming the wheel, you don't need to carry around those tools, so that's 12 slots free that you won't need. I do tons of gear swaps on my nin too, but I still don't have a problem with space; you're still not using 60 slots since as you said you have room, just not much. Sounds more like people can't manage their space more than an actual need for more carrying capacity.
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I wasn't entirely referring to my NIN (it's 50 so I would be spinning wheel a bit) as much as I was WAR or THF since I haven't been leveling it in awhile and I won't for bit longer either. I also lack a few pieces of gear which would decrease my already limited space. I know I am not the only person that feels this way. A lot of people in other threads have stated the same opinion and even if the space isn't completely used, it allows people a comfort space to keep extra items or obtain more items as they drop. I know I hate it when I have no space in inventory because I am full of junk and lose a potential BS/KS because I have full inventory; I can only guess others probably feel the same as well.
 
Shaunessy said:
Well normally those that do suck don't realize it. Just the fact that you think NIN doesn't have alot of gear or need all that stuff proves it, or you rely way too much on having a THF to SATA you for hate. Well guess what, not every party has a THF, so if you aren't prepared you suck. When I play NIN I am lucky to have 4-5 free spaces open, and that is with MAX invo on everything.
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Did someone piss in your cherrios or were you just born that way?

NIN only uses elemental tools for 10 levels, maybe 15 if you have a moldy and int gear. If you're carrying around a full set for longer than that, then you suck at NIN.


My MNK can load up on every gear set it owns, and won't have room for everything (chi, evasion, tank, melee, WS, chakra, artifact, meds, food, specialty weapons, it's like 70-something slots)... but would I be stupid for trying to carry it all? Of course, because there's never a situation where you'll use every single peice of gear on your job. Either I'm going to melee the HNM or I'm going to Chi blast it, either I'm going to evasion tank or blood tank, most likely I won't be tanking at all.
 
My BLM has space problems with the 60 slots... set for resting... set for full mp, set for nuking, set for dark, set for enfeebling, set for elemental... I can't get some dark magic pieces that I'd like to wear and I can't carry my elemental around unless I'm going to be doing endgame, which I haven't in a while - in which case I can't carry my enfeebling. All the others jobs I can manage, but I assume when I level my RDM further up I'll run into the same issues.

But yeah none of these gears are for BLM or RDM obviously.. I was more talkin about space in general than just inventory.
 
Bajaratt said:
I also hate having thf's in my party because I hate waiting on them to do SATA(only 2 so far haven't taken a long time) when I could already be tanking; the only reason I even party with a thf is because the party leaders think they're doing me a favor by inviting one.
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Agreed, and I hope I'm one of those THFs =/
 
Bajaratt said:
On top of the fact that I carry a bunch of gear on my NIN, I still have space for all the gear for my 4 other jobs(all very well geared), and I still have 8 slots free in my inventory. The only thing that you're showing is that you suck with resource management, space in this case; I don't carry around a lot of useless shit, but I must be in the minority on that.
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Let me guess MNK/SAM/NIN right. Of course you are going to have space for other jobs retard. I don't carry useless shit either, I use everything I have on my for NIN. If I didn't it would be in my MH somewhere. Lets see though for head pieces I have 3, body pieces I have 3 sometimes 4, neck I have 3, earings I have 5, rings I have 8, boots I have 2, pants I have 2 belts I have 2 back I have 2 gloves I have 2 sometimes 3. Thats 36 pieces of gear without counting tools, ammo and weapons. I use throwing weapons and usually have 2-3 stacks of them on me.
 
Mai Ikari said:
that had better be fucking MNK JSE in the middle or somebody is going to die.
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I'd say the likelyhood of that middle armour being MNK jse is almost exactly zero. Pretty much anything metalic or scaled is excluded from MNK equipable gear. Prolly NIN or SAM at best.
 
Lavi said:
I wasn't entirely referring to my NIN (it's 50 so I would be spinning wheel a bit) as much as I was WAR or THF since I haven't been leveling it in awhile and I won't for bit longer either. I also lack a few pieces of gear which would decrease my already limited space. I know I am not the only person that feels this way. A lot of people in other threads have stated the same opinion and even if the space isn't completely used, it allows people a comfort space to keep extra items or obtain more items as they drop. I know I hate it when I have no space in inventory because I am full of junk and lose a potential BS/KS because I have full inventory; I can only guess others probably feel the same as well.
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I remember the other thread about space, and I remember that most people were being hugely wasteful with their space; same thing here. The fact that I can have full gear for 5 different jobs, all of them with great gear, and still have space; while not maximizing my total storage space, means that the people who can't juggle 1-2 jobs are doing something wrong. Either they're holding onto a ton of worthless crap or you're keeping full gear for every level capped fight or something bizarre like that.

I hate losing valuable items due to full inventory, everyone does; but that's why I sort my inventory on occasion in parties. Even if you were naked with no items in your inventory you'd still fill up that 60 slots unless you sorted once in a while.
 
Kind of a funny discussion though parallel to the whole windower argument. People saying windower macros alright cause you don't have enough slots to get a huge gear swap advantage - and then people saying more inventory not needed because 60 slots is enough for every single state you could want for every single slot.
 
That's some pretty sick looking armor. Gogo crafted pieces. Might be time to finish up my subs. <.<
 
NIN Inventory

Medicines/Reraise: 4-5 slots
Food: 2 slots
Shihei Toolbag: 1 slot
Weapons/Warp: 5 slots (2x Katana, 1 Sword, 1 Warp, 1 Earth Staff)
Ninjutsu: 5 slots (shihei, blind, slow, para, invis)
Linkpearl: 1 slot
Throwing/Ranged Acc: 6 slots
TP Build: 13 slots
Enmity/Kiting Build: 9 slots
WS Build: 10 slots
HP Build: 4-5 slots
Ninjutsu Swaps: 4 slots

Total of 64-66 slots. And this is not including any space I want to leave for drops which I like to have at least 3 open for. At the moment I have to leave my HP and Enmity swaps in my Mog House because its simply not feasible to keep them in my inventory at all times like I would like. It's not a huge problem but I definitely would use that extra inventory if it was given to us for more medicines and consumables if not the extra gear.

And I'm not even including all my elemental resistant gear and miscelleneous things like Nin Kyahan +1 and Powder Boots etc.
 
49/60 as a 75NIN/37WHM it bumps up to 55/60 when DDing


Mai Ikari said:
NIN only uses elemental tools for 10 levels, maybe 15 if you have a moldy and int gear. If you're carrying around a full set for longer than that, then you suck at NIN.
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Backwards tanking [Do you have it?]
 
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Shaunessy said:
Let me guess MNK/SAM/NIN right. Of course you are going to have space for other jobs retard. I don't carry useless shit either, I use everything I have on my for NIN. If I didn't it would be in my MH somewhere. Lets see though for head pieces I have 3, body pieces I have 3 sometimes 4, neck I have 3, earings I have 5, rings I have 8, boots I have 2, pants I have 2 belts I have 2 back I have 2 gloves I have 2 sometimes 3. Thats 36 pieces of gear without counting tools, ammo and weapons. I use throwing weapons and usually have 2-3 stacks of them on me.
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Thanks for the bullshit numbers; 8 rings? I guess you need that many when you have shitty gear. Once your gear stops sucking you don't need as many to get the same effect.

Everyone with multiple jobs is going to have overlap; because most gear can be worn by multiple jobs.
 
Bajaratt said:
Everyone with multiple jobs is going to have overlap; because most gear can be worn by multiple jobs.
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Raja's , Byakko Haidate, Dusk hands, Walahra turban, Snip+1, Brutal, Suppanommi, AM+1, Swift Belt. Most DD jobs use those so gear over laps alot
 
I'd rather not put the original topic more off-topic, but needless to say, Deci and Fire both hit it on the nail with BLM and NIN. If you want to argue further, I'd prefer a new topic, but to be honest, it's an old subject and been discussed enough as is.
 
I personally keep my core whm gear on me at all times (minus the stuff that doesn't get daily whm usage) since it's the job that I most often have to quickly swap to, alternating out drk/brd/pup as is needed. It works well for me, and it's trivial to go through my mog house (that I intentionally leave unsorted) and just click down the list to pick up all my gear for whichever job I'm suiting up. While I agree that it would be swell for S-E to give us a bit more inv space so I can keep certain other items on me at all times, I still can make due. Here's to hoping though. :/
 
Thf possible gearswaps.
Head:
Op hat,
turban,
Dex/agi peice
walkure mask

Neck:
chiv chain/PCC
spiked necklace
maybe add in an agi+ neckpeice if somone is insane
eva torque if ecessive hate is gained vs something very mean (abraxas for example)

Ears: drone earringsx2
minuet earring
suppo
random atk+earringsx2

body:
Scorpionharness(acc+eva)
pal body (raac or acc)
Assault jerkin/dragonharness(Atk+)
r. harness(haste)
Dragonharness for DEX/AGI if you wanna save invo space on this slot and not have to swap body gear.
N body (technically superior to dragon harness for dancing edges not stacks with trick attack or sneak attack and as such may have its own swap)
Hands: dex gloves
dusk gloves(haste)
t mitts(atk+)
war gloves(acc+eva+)

Rings:
Snipersx2
Dex x 2
AGI x 2
assailants ring for atk+ if less acc is needed

Back:
anemit or above no contest
maybe an eva+ cape if needed

belt
ATK belt
acc+ belt
dex+ belt
scouters rope for TA solo.

Pants:
Dragon subligar
pal legs
af pants for TA solo
dusk trousers can fill in all the spots except when you have to move faster than a snail.

Feet:
Dex/agi boots
atk+boots
pal boots
relic boots
AF boots if you like to take advantage of the extra flee duration

+2 daggers minimum if /nin
tatami, viking, or that acc+ sheild if /war
xbow
bomb core if you arent pulling and mobs are acid bolt resistant(puks)

I dont even have every last one of these and my invo is shot after 30 minutes of getting random wind crystals or bringing meat,sushi,oils,nintools ect.
not including kiting gear in non exp situations or solo.
 
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