POLNews - GM Policy (12th December)*Update* - continued from the other thread

[Tomasello]

Folded and bluffed hands have a value assigned to them in the instance you can't tell (those only being at the start of a sleeve) Seeing as how cards are shown at the end of a hand, you again show you don't even know how to play poker adult, child, or otherwise.

I can't believe how dead wrong you can possibly be and be so adamant about it.

YOU CAN'T SEE MOST OF THE CARDS IN POKER... Folded hands and bluffed hands are never shown unless the player wants to show them and 99.9% a player wouldn't unless they were a jackass.

Let's see if you can follow this logic chain and actually use your brain:

Poker is played with 52 cards. You can't play with more then 52 cards or else you are going to end up with the possibility of 5 of a kind, which isn't allowed.

Are you following so far?

Now that means if you have a table of say 7 players which is an average size table at most, even going under the assumption that the whole deck is utilized even though 90% of the time the cards are reshuffled every time. You are going to get 2 rounds out of the deck.

So what the fuck are you card counting?

As soon as the cards are shuffled and put back into the deck EVERYTHING you counted goes to shit. Not the mention all the cards you DIDN'T see.

See if you can understand this dumbass.

If you flip a coin you have a 50% chance of getting heads or tails. If you flip the coin 10,000 times and you get 10,000 heads you know what you odds are of getting heads on the next flip are? 50%

When you use the same/new deck everything is reset. The only reason you can count cards in blackjack, which obviously reflects your ignorance again since you didn't know what game as was talking about, is the casino uses 6 decks of cards at a time.

Why don't you stop being so fucking clueless and believing every $19.99 internet scam that comes along and actually start using that brain. You seem to be able to type up long enough, well structured retorts.

Too bad you just have nothing intelligent to say.

 

[Uzor]

Read more, stupid. You stated it 'can' be and then went railing on about how it IS. No leway. Simply IS. CAN is not IS. CAN means it could go either way. My point from the very beginning. How fucking more dense do you think you could manage to be?

With every bost you're showing more of your retardness.

Yes, I did say it IS a cheat. I've said that many times. You're co ntradicting yourself now, 'cause this is now what you originally said. I've always said it IS a cheat, the and can wasn't that I denied it's a cheat. I've said that from the very begining. Read the context "moar"

The ONLY definition of cheating that even remotely works is as a violation of the ToS. Which while the ToS are "rules" they do not correlate or designate fair play. Other than that, and it's a stretch at that, you've got nothing and neither do your flunkies.

contradiction ftw.

Really? Where'd you prove anything? last i checked I had definitions, i quoted the ToS, I shot your argument full of holes at every turn and the only people who pop in to this thread besides your two flunkies are here to tell you what a dumbass you are and how i'm all full of win for any given post. Sounds to me like you're in denial.

Last I checked I gave you definitions, I proved how wrong the parts you quoted were, I show your arguments full of hole. I've told you over and over again what a dumbass you are and how you go saying how full of win you are. Sounds to me like you're in denial.

The only defining counter on your end was that is was a break in the ToS, as i've shown in your quotes. As such my counter was that if breaking the ToS was cheating then there are a numerous other things that break the ToS without being cheats. As that's the case the argument is weak and provides you no other alternative then to assign the grey area i had been on about for quite some time. You refused and planted your head firmly up your ass for 20 pages until you finally realized you couldn't have it both ways.

You've apparently put up a weak protection barrier around yourself. You've decided to ignore all of the arguments you can't counter and stuck with one that you keep countering. Too bad I countered your counters. Just shows how weak you are.

So sorry but you're dead wrong. That aside there's numerous patches for the game they have datamined. They datamine EQ2. They datamine WoW. FFXI isn't something they handle with special care. The most popular guide sites are almost all guilty of datamining. It's called keeping up with the competition. If they didn't they wouldn't be as popular for having fast accurate information. Learn about how to run a game-information website sometime. Hell send the WM an email, go for it. Ask. Do it. I already know what you'll be told.

The difference is that datamining near the NA release wasn't possible due to the lack of tools. Back then you sent in quests, items etc. that they would add.

Nowadays, they have a bot that search for item information automatically and add that to allakhazam. While yes, nowadas they do have a bot that add the quests etc. players still send in information. The only thing theor bot do is add it, without quest information etc.

Much like you do at reading. If writting things down realtime in the combat log is impossible to do, as you and others have stated, then writting down what the NPCs say must be as well. If you can make a wildly unfounded generalizing sweep of a statement it's only fair that i do the same. I think sarcasm is just a little too mature for you to pick up.

I haven't once said writing down realtime combat is impossible. I did say that if you do that then you're doing the research by yourself, and if you do, I'll salute you. Ocne again you prove that you can't read and make up arguments (that I've never said, btw) in order to counter pretend arguments.

I'm sure i have played with people who used a cheat althought anything past the windower and the parser is speculation. I looked at maps, guides, stats, etc, etc. Anyone who can't could consider me a cheat. Other than that i can say i've got a pretty clean conscience. Everything else here is you stealing my bits again, wah! cry more noob. As far as law goes you might think about brushing up on it yourself. Go back and check the blanket statement definition, while you're at it take a peek at how SE names what violates their agreements and not any of us.

Your definition is wrong, as always. You quoted the wrong parts of the ToS, usigng that as a protection. All it proves is that you know shit about the law system.

I know you're not that great at it and all but seriously ... read. You're a fucking parrot. My insults, my counters, my example style, you've brought nothing to the table that wasen't mine from page 1. It's right there for everyone to see. Stay as jaded as you like, no skin off my nose. You've got some problems tho, might seek professional help. If nothing else just do a little thinking that doesn't involve me for a minute and you might be able to pull something original out of that crap you call a brain.

Yes, I used your insults. Ar eyou trying to say your insults are your so-called proof?

You're in no way original. I use your insults because they've been used several times. All of your insults are copied from both Peregrine and Meeze. Stop trying to think you're original. I copy your insults because I don't feel like spending the time to think of new insults for someone who can't even argue.

That's not the fucking point you fucking moron. The point you made was that:

Fail. I'm not like you. I don't have only one argument and stick to it. Yes, I agreed with you that they probably buy gil. BUT, everything isn't black and white (that you oh so like to say), and that the quoted part is also a fact. You still fail horribly.

My counter was that the guide does, indeed, have equipment in them and to disregard that information as not only integral to most class guides was to play the job like a moron. Try to keep up. Hell you can't even go back 2 fucking pages and make sense of your own words let alone mine ... good job, you're right .. your'e so much better than me. I wish i had the memory capacity of a hamster. Your life must be grand. Btw, it's most likely time to have someone change your diaper.

If you think that every piece of gear is parsed from lvl 1 to 75 in order to see what works best, you're only further proving how much of an idiot you are. It's not hard to see that, as an example, as a WHM, 30 MP is better then 10. That doesn't require parsing.

I'll make a wide statment like you've done so many times and say that people only parse gear at lvl 75. Before that it's not really needed, since you don't have the same wide variety of gear.

I found it remarkably easy to do with you but when you change your story so much and continually forget what you've said i'm sure it throws the curve. Good luck and godspeed. :thumbsup:

Funny. I have n't changed my story once. You're the one prancing around the bush making assuptions to try and avoid your own ignorance. It's quite fun making up things that someone didn't say, is it?

Typos don't involve reading. Typos primarily involve typing. Rereading isn't required, that's called editing. You're flying so fast to get your frustrations out you keep fucking up typing. It comes with stress, it's quite easily recognizable. Whatever you tell yourself to get to sleep at night tho.

If you'd have actually bothered reading anything on qcdn, I make typos. A lot. Usually I read through my post in order to fix them. You're just not worth the time though. And last I checked editing your post requires rereading.

Further proving my point.

Get some tissues and have yourself a nice day.

Funny picture. I have one too.

I have a rather huge collection if you wanna see.

It all comes down to this. 1/11 definitions of the word 'cheat' is applicable. However, using this 1 definition there are numerous other violations of the 'rules' as defined (read: ToS) that simply don't make sense if they're all to hold to the same standards of actually being a cheat. Hell, as has been shown SE supports and approves several of them. If you want to be technical 1 application applies but to use that definition is to never go outside of the client for anything you might need, which is ridiculous. In an ideal world you'd be right, in the real world you aren't. That's it. The end. No insult, no bullshit, that's just how it is.

There's several definitions of everything. Sadly, in most cases in life, only one definition is required. When you cheat in a casino, all that's needed is one definition to get you thrown out. Try using the 1/1 definition in court and they'll laugh at you.

The one definition you 're talking about, though, is breaking the ToS. To me it seem the only persoon going on about parser breakign the ToS, thus being a cheat, is you. I haven't mentioned it, and Hellstorm mentioned it like 15 pages ago.

Not really much point anymore. You don't even remember your own words. You've lost your point. You're now starting to agree with everything i've said since the last thread. The thread i'll remind you that you didn't read. Much like this thread. You couldn't even be bothered to note your own thoughts or read what you had to say so much as dismiss it as soon as you hit post and pray for the best. You're zero content, you lack depth, and you're more than happy to play the insult game with me instead of actually getting back to the topic at hand. In short you fail. Just another name i've trounced on the flameboard over some piddly-ass stupid fucking topic no one will remember in a week but you. The only reason you'll remember is because it'll still sting and everytime you go to make the argument from here on out you'll be waiting for a link to this thread or one of these posts with someone calling you a dumbass.

Live in fear, my work here is done.

Funny, I still remember my words. I still have my point. You still haven't countered my point, though. You're countering arguments I made to counter your arguments. As for agreeing with you, I haven' t agreed with everything you made. I'm agreeing with some things you've said, not all. Like how using online maps is a cheat.

As for playing the insult game, may I remind you that you started it. I've only reused your own insults (as you even said yourself), so don't try and pin the insult game on me. You don't even think through your own post. Throughout this entire thread, you've only had 1 argument that you reuse all the time. At the same time, you've picked an argument that Hellstorm said, and respond with the same one. If anything, you're the one that lacks depth and thought.

 

[RoM]

I'm sure there's words in there somewhere but all i saw was..

To which i can only respond

We've been done for ages now, drop it you pathetic little sack of crap. You've been had over and over and over again. The only one who doesn't recognize it is you.

Oh and borrowing from meeze and peregrine? Nigga please, i was doing this shit when we were all still noobs around here. If anything those two owe me a few. At least if nothing else pere does, we chated quite a bit back when his highest accomplishment in game was a decent fishing level. Can't expect you to know these things tho .. or anything else you speak about for that matter. Go do something useful with your life.

 

[RoM]

I can't believe how dead wrong you can possibly be and be so adamant about it.

YOU CAN'T SEE MOST OF THE CARDS IN POKER... Folded hands and bluffed hands are never shown unless the player wants to show them and 99.9% a player wouldn't unless they were a jackass.

If you couldn't count cards in poker i wouldn't know how to do it nor would there be guides you can find to easily teach yourself. Check google or your local library even tho i'd imagine the latter works about like a bug zapper on people like you. Researching something before speaking on it simply takes too much time.

Let's see if you can follow this logic chain and actually use your brain:

Poker is played with 52 cards. You can't play with more then 52 cards or else you are going to end up with the possibility of 5 of a kind, which isn't allowed.

Are you following so far?

No because when adults play poker at a gambling facility AKA a casino the casino uses a number of decks in what's called a 'sleeve' or a 'shoe'. Proof positive you've never been to a casino. Only one deck is played at a time but there's not telling what your odds are if you come in in the middle of a sleeve. You've no point of reference. Most card counters aren't completely comfortable unless they just saw a new sleeve hit the table. Follow me so far?

Now that means if you have a table of say 7 players which is an average size table at most, even going under the assumption that the whole deck is utilized even though 90% of the time the cards are reshuffled every time. You are going to get 2 rounds out of the deck.

Avg is 3-5 to a table, actually. But whatever, kid.

So what the fuck are you card counting?

Read a guide, teach yourself. Like i did. It would take far more time than i have to write down exactly how it all works in this post and it would wind up sailing right over that flat little head of yours. Plus you'll feel better and more confident about having learned it on your own. Since you're obviously so interested.

As soon as the cards are shuffled and put back into the deck EVERYTHING you counted goes to shit. Not the mention all the cards you DIDN'T see.

Remember sleeves? Yea .... not only are cards usually not shuffled and put back in the deck. The sleeve allows for multiple decks of cards to be used at a time (all decks in order and the dealer usually knows or it has a mechanism that allows him to tell when a deck is up) making your point completely moot. It's a game/skill of averages and ratios and it usually takes quite some time at the table or with a partner before you can make it work.

See if you can understand this dumbass.

If you flip a coin you have a 50% chance of getting heads or tails. If you flip the coin 10,000 times and you get 10,000 heads you know what you odds are of getting heads on the next flip are? 50%

2 sides to a coin. 52 cards in a deck. roughly 312 to 364 cards to a sleeve depending on where you go. Making your argument moot. Odds are what counting is all about, in the beginning of any session you'll be winging it for the first few hands or possible even decks to make sure where you're at. You watch betss and bet low according to how comfortable you are with the numbers. Each bracket of bets has a value assigned to it as do winning hands which are far more important as they show face up at the end of a hand. I don't need to know the whole table's cards to figure out that if player 1 drops 2 kings there's only a maximum of 2 more in the deck. Math ftw. I could go on but like i said it requires more time than you're worth when it's completely obvious you've no idea wtf you're on about.

When you use the same/new deck everything is reset. The only reason you can count cards in blackjack, which obviously reflects your ignorance again since you didn't know what game as was talking about, is the casino uses 6 decks of cards at a time.

Sleeves are used in all cardgames. Hit a casino sometime and holler back. Just because you read a book or saw the documentary about the blackjack team from MIT does not make you remotely close to an aexpert.

Why don't you stop being so fucking clueless and believing every $19.99 internet scam that comes along and actually start using that brain. You seem to be able to type up long enough, well structured retorts.

Too bad you just have nothing intelligent to say.

My bad, first thing google threw at me. At least i can manage the brainpower required to run a search to make sure i'm not sticking my foot in my mouth. That's a neat trick, btw, how'd you manage it with your head so far up your ass?

How's this?

http://www.studstrategy.com/CountingCardsAndSuits.htm

It's just a tips and tricks manual like you'd see on a hotel channel.. no fees.

http://www.homepokergames.com/cardcounting.php

IS IT ILLEGAL?

No. as long as you are using only your brain to count cards as opposed to a computerized device) then it is legal. Then how the casino have the authority to kick you out? In Nevada, it is because the casino in on private property and they have the right to ask anyone to leave for any reason. If you count cards and the casino kicks you out and then you return, they can arrest you for tresspassing. Although some people think this is discrimination, it doesn't meet the legal definition of discrimination because card counters are not members of a classification that is covered by discrimination laws, as defined by the Supreme Court. In Atlantic City the laws state that card counting is allowed. But in response to that rule, the casinos have made the game tougher to beat. They do this several ways: using 8 deck shoes, having lower deck penetration, prohibiting mid-shoe entry (and therefore cutting down on the number of players who sit down only when the count is good).

On the moral and ethical side. oooop, looky thar card counting is not only illegal it's not cheating. I'll be fucked.

http://www.math.sfu.ca/~alspach/comp18/

Look mommy, i r math.

http://www.math.sfu.ca/~alspach/art3.pdf

PDF-Love. Learning is fun.

Go the fuck on. At least use the web to your advantage if you're going to argue with people on it. Even if i was blowing smoke about knowing how to, which i'm not, you just got laughed off the thread along with your pathetic example and meager gamble that i didn't know what i was talking about. As i said earlier when you've got a leg to stand on (read: never) come on back and we'll chat, Jr.

 

[Tomasello]

If you couldn't count cards in poker i wouldn't know how to do it nor would there be guides you can find to easily teach yourself. Check google or your local library even tho i'd imagine the latter works about like a bug zapper on people like you. Researching something before speaking on it simply takes too much time.

LOL you will believe anything won’t you. By the way I heard the Brooklyn Bridge is for sale. Maybe if you’ll lucky I’ll hook you up with a good deal on it.

No because when adults play poker at a gambling facility AKA a casino the casino uses a number of decks in what's called a 'sleeve' or a 'shoe'. Proof positive you've never been to a casino. Only one deck is played at a time but there's not telling what your odds are if you come in in the middle of a sleeve. You've no point of reference. Most card counters aren't completely comfortable unless they just saw a new sleeve hit the table. Follow me so far?

You are such a fool. Seriously, everytime a NEW deck is used. All you counting goes to shit considering everything you counted just became reset. Wow you counted 2 hands and didn’t see a lot of folded hands. My god you have no clue.


Remember the coin example? Just cause you have a sleeve of decks or roll of quarters if you will every coin or deck IS INDEPENDENT IN PROBABILITY of the rest of the decks/roll. Get a clue or take a fucking statistical class.

Avg is 3-5 to a table, actually. But whatever, kid.

Again at the kidding table 3-5 maybe. I play with adults.

Read a guide, teach yourself. Like i did. It would take far more time than I have to write down exactly how it all works in this post and it would wind up sailing right over that flat little head of yours. Plus you'll feel better and more confident about having learned it on your own. Since you're obviously so interested.

Don’t have to read some card counting fantasy on poker. I already know how to play.

Remember sleeves? Yea .... not only are cards usually not shuffled and put back in the deck. The sleeve allows for multiple decks of cards to be used at a time (all decks in order and the dealer usually knows or it has a mechanism that allows him to tell when a deck is up) making your point completely moot. It's a game/skill of averages and ratios and it usually takes quite some time at the table or with a partner before you can make it work.

Like I said ONE deck at a time is INDEPENDANT STATISTICALLY of not only every other deck in the sleeve but in the casino as well. Just because you flip a coin 10,000 times and there all tails doesn't mean you have any less of a chance of getting a tails again. One deck = one coin. Multiple decks are NOT USED at the same time in poker unless the casino your in is ok with 5 of a kind.

2 sides to a coin. 52 cards in a deck. roughly 312 to 364 cards to a sleeve depending on where you go. Making your argument moot. Odds are what counting is all about, in the beginning of any session you'll be winging it for the first few hands or possible even decks to make sure where you're at. You watch betss and bet low according to how comfortable you are with the numbers. Each bracket of bets has a value assigned to it as do winning hands which are far more important as they show face up at the end of a hand. I don't need to know the whole table's cards to figure out that if player 1 drops 2 kings there's only a maximum of 2 more in the deck. Math ftw. I could go on but like i said it requires more time than you're worth when it's completely obvious you've no idea wtf you're on about.

Again you can’t play poker with 6 decks unless your at the kiddy table. Irrelevant once more.

Sleeves are used in all cardgames. Hit a casino sometime and holler back. Just because you read a book or saw the documentary about the blackjack team from MIT does not make you remotely close to an a expert.

Again I pity your ignorance maybe you should spend less time on Google.com and more time in reality.

I’m afraid your wrong again by your own admission, its one deck at a time. Your argument is moot and you fail again for what the 15th time?


Let’s recap the Hypocrisy:

Only one deck is played at a time

The sleeve allows for multiple decks of cards to be used at a time

Make up your mind ok? Hint: you were right the first time.


P.S. Does it hurt to talk out of your ass? I assume at the very least it might smell like the stench of failure from your retort.

 

[RoM]

LOL you will believe anything won’t you. By the way I heard the Brooklyn Bridge is for sale. Maybe if you’ll lucky I’ll hook you up with a good deal on it.

I believe in facts, which i provided you with. You'd do well to at least check up on them before retorting as you have. Id've given you the same courtesy had you provided any facts in this thread whatsoever.

You are such a fool. Seriously, everytime a NEW deck is used. All you counting goes to shit considering everything you counted just became reset. Wow you counted 2 hands and didn’t see a lot of folded hands. My god you have no clue.

Didn't read any of those reference sites at all, huh? Not a click? Not even a peek?

It's sad really. If you refuse to take a look at the facts there's really nothing left here. Your choice is to remain ignorant, i have no problem with ignorance so long as it's quiet. As it should be.

Remember the coin example? Just cause you have a sleeve of decks or roll of quarters if you will every coin or deck IS INDEPENDENT IN PROBABILITY of the rest of the decks/roll. Get a clue or take a fucking statistical class.

Read the sites, seriously. I have a clue, i'm attempting to give you one.. take it. No strings attached. You made a shitty example about something you have very little understanding of, it happens. Not to me .. but it does happen.

Again at the kidding table 3-5 maybe. I play with adults.

Even though you've obviously never been to a casino .... right. Adults. Yea.. unfortunately poker night with friends doesn't really count as adult there, bucko.

Don’t have to read some card counting fantasy on poker. I already know how to play.

Obviously not. You know the standard rules, to be sure. You do not, however, know the slightest thing about card counting or how a casino operates nor are you even remotely interested in learning. You thought you had a sure thing of an example based on your limited experience with it and it fell flat. Stop whinning.

Like I said ONE deck at a time INDEPENTANT of not only every other deck in the sleeve but in the casino as well. Multiple decks are NOT USED at the same time in poker unless the casino your in is ok with 5 of a kind.

The sleeve is independant. The variables do not reset based on a new deck specificly if you know how many decks are in a sleeve/shoe. Seriously, it's all in the links if you're willing to read them they can show you why your argument/example doesn't hold water. I don't even have to bother retorting. The facts do it for me.

Again you can’t play poker with 6 decks unless your at the kiddy table. Irrelevant once more.

Read the links for christ's sake. I'm not going to give you a tutorial. Seeing as how my quote from the site links atlantic city as using 8 per sleeve to make counting harder you'd best inform the gambling hub of the east coast they're a glorified daycare.

Again I pity your ignorance maybe you should spend less time on Google.com and more time in realty.

In reality people who use facts to back their arguments do better in life as opposed to morons who spout blankly about things they obviously know very little about.

I’m afraid your wrong again by you own admission its one deck at a time. You argument is moot and you fail again for what the 15th time?

You can't play any game if you shuffle 6 decks in and run from those, moron.

Let’s recap the Hypocrisy:

Fail. One deck is played at a time. Up to 8 can be used on a table in a shoe/sleeve, knowing those numbers i can easily run the table. I misworded what i was getting at. God forbid.

P.S. Does it hurt to talk out of your ass? I assume at the very least it might smell like the stench of failure from your retort.

I'd assume you'd know better than i would.

I like how you completely disregarded the legality of it and wether or not it's cheating since, at base, that was your point behind the example. Selective reasoning ftw.

 

[Tomasello]

The sleeve is independant. The variables do not reset based on a new deck specificly if you know how many decks are in a sleeve/shoe.

The variables DO reset with every fresh deck you play with. Why? Because you can get 4 Aces 2 hands in a row. Wouldn't be possible if the stats didn't reset. And you can't have 5 Aces so you only can use one deck at a time. You fail at statistics, congratulations. It's fun to watching someone drowning in failed posts.

I like how you completely disregarded the legality of it and wether or not it's cheating since, at base, that was your point behind the example. Selective reasoning ftw.

Never said card counting or parsing was illegal. Feel free to find the quote where I said it. You won't. You can cheat on your wife and its not illegal either. But it's still cheating. Your out of your league man I'm sorry it sucks to hear but what can you do? Maybe some trash like Peregrine is up for your nonsense. I'm all done with your burnt ass.


Does being stupid hurt?

 

[Garvin]

Does being stupid hurt?

This post is too old and boring to properly reply to anymore, but this made me lol. You speak with absolutely no understanding of what was said, and then call other people stupid. Fucking moron.

 

[Tomasello]

This post is too old and boring to properly reply to anymore, but this made me lol. You speak with absolutely no understanding of what was said, and then call other people stupid. Fucking moron.

Good job on your worthless contribution to this thread or the current subject matter, troll.

 

[Marajade]

Good job on your worthless contribution to this thread or the current subject matter, troll.

Practice this in front of a mirror untill you figure it out.

 

[Tomasello]

Practice this in front of a mirror untill you figure it out.

Ok, what was his contribution other then throwing out an insult? Maybe you can clue me in?

I understand your all angry cause you lost the arguement and you thought your hero RoM would save you.

Your savior fails cause there is zero logic in his posts. End of story. Don't be mad at me if you don't want to accept the fact that your parsing is a form of cheating.

 

[Garvin]

Ok, what was his contribution other then throwing out an insult?

Read the entire thread. You've contributed less than I have. I gave up on this post because some people fail to express any logical thought, others (you) don't even understand the points that are being made. I saw an incredibly ironic statement, and I took a jab. Deal with it, crybaby.

 

[Tomasello]

I took a jab.

I rest my case. You took a jab with a plastic fork. At least RoM tries to defend himself. You got nothing.

 

[RoM]

Dude, Tom, if i never read anything people presented to me during an argument i still couldn't pull off sounding half as retarded as you.

Anyone who clicked even one of those links and read more than a handful of sentences knows what the score is. Like i said, it's beyond me having to retort to. People who didn't know now do, you fail completely at the example you attempted to make.

Piss and moan all you like facts are facts and that's what i posted meanwhile your counter is:

"I don't have to read that/those informational links provided, i know i'm right without source material."

I'll give you a hint. Card counting in poker relies more heavily on the odds of the entire deck and what's in your hand as well as winning hands. As opposed to black jack where you kiddies get to peek at cards other folks have. Seriously one book about an MIT team and everyone's a fucking expert now. Jesus.

lawl. You wouldn't have lasted a second on this board pre-Reeve/Carebear act of 04...05 .. 0-whatever the fuck it was.

And as far as everyone else is concerned besides you, the crybaby, and the troglodyte i delivered. Megalomaniacal as it was, that's what matters.

 

[Bajaratt]

Ok, what was his contribution other then throwing out an insult? Maybe you can clue me in?

I understand your all angry cause you lost the arguement and you thought your hero RoM would save you.

Your savior fails cause there is zero logic in his posts. End of story. Don't be mad at me if you don't want to accept the fact that your parsing is a form of cheating.

Actually, I just got tired of arguing with idiots whose only reasoning is a blanket definition while ignoring how the far more relevant definitions prove you wrong. Smashing my head against a brick wall would get further than arguing with you guys; but then the brick wall is less dense. RoM isn't my hero or savior(I can argue myself), he's just more willing to argue to death with morons than me.

You're in the company of a retard like Hellstorm, I think that's failing enough.

 

[RoM]

I have less to do with my time ><

And i'd challenge you to find people on this board who consider me someone to look up to lol, that's rich.

I'm the villian that gets tolerated. I took my knocks and know whose toes are ok to step on and whose aren't. You guys'll get there eventually.

 

[Marajade]

I rest my case. You took a jab with a plastic fork. At least RoM tries to defend himself. You got nothing.

Ladies and Gentlemen, i introduce to you, Peregrine V2. Unfortunatly, we were unable to install actualy intelegince into this one.

 

[Makelith]

And as far as everyone else is concerned besides you, the crybaby, and the troglodyte i delivered. Megalomaniacal as it was, that's what matters.

lol. Can't remember what thats from though.

P.S. Tom. No one is saying that parsing isn't "cheating". We are arguing how it affects nothing. So no one feels bad that we "cheat". If you still can't see that after this many pages maybe you need to rethink your life.

 

[RoM]

lol. Can't remember what thats from though.

P.S. Tom. No one is saying that parsing isn't "cheating". We are arguing how it affects nothing. So no one feels bad that we "cheat". If you still can't see that after this many pages maybe you need to rethink your life.

I am, to a point.

The fact of the matter is the only definition they have that remotely works is 'breaks rules'. Unfortunately the ToS does not designate what is fair play unlike most games whereas rules define clearly what is and is not allowed the ToS simply states what they can sue you for doing. In short the ToS are the rules of use not the rules of play perse.

My mentality when playing is 'do no harm' on whatever game i happen to be playing. As such the parser does no harm, therefore as one definition sits as a technicality to those who can't understand that the ToS is simply a legal document and not the 'rules' of the game that would normal dictate fairplay, the entirety of the definition 'cheat' does not work.

In a quite literal sense the parser is not cheating and cannot be considered so definitively. To do so is simply opinion. The fact is it doesn't stick realisticly or definitvely.

Logical conclusion is where i draw the line; If all it does is provide someone with hard data to bolster good decisions in game i can't see that as a bad thing. If something enables the community to learn more so that it performs better and is widely available either via information on a page or information on my screen from another program, i can't see that as a bad thing. It is, however, breaking the rules. Somewhat of a contradiction in terms if you've no head for the unique situation given the subject matter.

That's the problem. The 'rules' they keep going back to have exactly dick to do with moral implications or responsibilities in the game. This is why the argument of 'it is a cheat.' bothers me. If it were a cheat it'd be real easy to slap the definition on it, assign a victim that's disadvantaged, and provide a negative communal connotation to it.

This is, obviously, not possible. That is unless you're looking for some attention and feel like moving a thread to the FB just so you can act like a dumbass and not pay attention to the conversation you start based on a thread you didn't even bother reading. :rtfm:

Oh and troglodytes are cave people. Neanderthals. As well as occasionally come quite handy in might and magic games.

 

[Shaunessy]

Actually, I just got tired of arguing with idiots whose only reasoning is a blanket definition while ignoring how the far more relevant definitions prove you wrong.

And this is how I feel every time you reply to one of my posts. Baja, the great parsed queen of FFXI. Yes I know you are a dude. But you don't get the title of man because you beat off to a video game. Loser.