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  • It's not worth the time to remove them, leave them in.

    Votes: 11 68.8%
  • Remove them, even though it takes extra effort.

    Votes: 5 31.3%

  • Total voters
    16
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Sculli

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First things first, this is an informal poll (actually it isn't a poll poll, just looking for opinions) that does not necessarily foreshadow the things to come.

QCDN has always been, and will always be, a free resource to the end-user. The whole point of making QCDN was to get away from other boards that drown you in flashy ads no matter where you look on your screen.

Nonetheless, at this time the cost of running QCDN is starting to exceed what I would comfortably consider a pure hobby. Interestingly enough I have yet again been approached by a company that deals in virtual goods with an offer to buy QCDN. The reason that is interesting is that there must be someone on this board working for them. I talked to Pupusa and he confirmed that during his admin period no one asked him to sell. He couldn't have sold anyway because even though he was admin I was in control of the domain name. Now that I am back as admin someone took note that admin and owner are the same person again.

Be that as it may, I am not going to sell out to gil sellers. You have my word on that.

There are very few feasible options on how to raise funds for QCDN operations.

Donations
This has been done in the past, and worked reasonably well, though it pplaced the "burden" on those few who did donate. As little thank-you those received a custom title, which now really doesn't mean all that much anymore as I have enabled custom titles for long standing members anyway.

Google AdSense Ads
Easy to implement into the page header, non graphical text ads. Just displaying the ads would lead to revenue, without the need for people to actually click them.
Personally I am opposed to these ads, for many reasons, one of which is that they will be gil seller ads for sure, at which point selling out to gil sellers without Google would yield a higher revenue.

Affiliate Ads
Dell, Amazon, other carefully selected ads placed throughout QCDN.
Again, I don't really want ads, revenue would be very dependant on whether someone actually clicks the ad, and proceeds with a purchase.

Exclusive Affiliate Ads
Such as Newegg. QCDN would be showing only one company's ad.
I am not sure what the buying power of the average QCDN user is, but since QCDN is not a community of like-minded individuals when it comes to buying stuff, this option is really not an option no matter what.

Non-Profit
One possibility is to create a non-profit organization (basically me) that will manage QCDN, and start the kind of fund raising non-profits do, which will brind in underwriters for QCDN, who in turn would want some sort of mentioning of their contributions. The advantage of a non-profit is that any kind of contributions are a tax write-off, be it a personal, or corporate contribution. I am not sure how many QCDN users run their own businesses in some form or another, but this could be important to them.
Going non-profit would add more work for me, no doubt, but if there is enough interest in financially contributing to a non-profit, then I may consider it.

Subscription Services
Some message boards make certain areas of the board subscription-based. Want to read and post to the Flameboard? $5/annually!
Subscription services tend to improve the quality of posts, as those who are just out to troll tend to not want to pay.

This is basically it, unless you guys see some other alternative.

Please use the above as food for throught, and some sort of discussion baseline. None of the things listed will happen overnight, though I would want to come up with some sort of permanent solution before long.

Discuss.
 
I patted myself on the back for contributing long ago, and it was a decent donation. However, despite the fact that not everyone who uses this board contributes, it might be time for all of us to dig deep once again.

I will support the board regardless, but this time around I think it should affect all users to be fair, be that banners (nevermind how much they are hated) or a yearly thing...

If anything, I doubt people would show up just to be annoying if it cost them a couple bucks. That is, unless they had both too much time and money on their hands.
 
Not sure I completely understand the need. Has moving to the new server, providing better service & uptime and all that, raised the bandwidth usage to significantly higher levels?

What's different from the old QCDN and the new QCDN that raised the cost?
 
Stats showed that operations for 1 month were 60 bucks.
I wouldn't keep this board going if that were solely my responsibility.
 
CmdrFly said:
What's different from the old QCDN and the new QCDN that raised the cost?

Some history:
The original QCDN was $9.95/month.
Then the bandwidth usage exceeded what was alotted, and the cost rose to $24.95/month, at which point I started asking for donations.
Then the hosting company changed their price policy and QCDN went back to $9.95 even though bandwidth usage kept rising, donations tapered off as $9.95 was something I felt comfortable with covering.
Then it again exceeded the limits of the $9.95 account and was bumped up to $24.95, Pupusa was admin at that time.
The move to a new hosting plan, a virtually dedicated server, increased the hosting costs significantly. The monthly hosting cost is now $60.

In addition to the hosting cost there is the vBulletin cost.
Two payment options exist. A subscription plan of $85/annually, with any upgrades included. A owned license for the price of $160, one year of free upgrades, and $30/annually for upgrades after the first year.

Total current cost per year: US$805.
I don't expect the hosting will ever have to be upgraded because there is sufficient headroom for future growth.

If revenue, however it is generated, would exceed cost, then special programs could be implemeted to "get rid" of the additional cash. I could buy myself a two week vacation on some tropical island, or I could start giving out cash prizes or gift certificates for things like a logo contest, screenshot contest, you name it. There is a lot of stuff that can be done with extra cash should there be any.
 
Well, I'm a premium subscriber at Allakhazam, so I certainly wouldn't object to a small annual fee at QCDN.
 
Whatever you decide is fine with me Sculli. If you need me (us) to chip in and help with that $805 per year, I'm sure there are enough of us where the cost would be minimal per person. I honestly cannot see it being more than about $8.05 per person and that's with only 100 people contributing. I think we definitely have more than 100 people using the forum, but I'll figure $8.05 just to be safe. Basically just let me know when you need it and I'll send via Paypal or however.

If you want to advertise, then that's okay also. I'm in for the long haul.
 
I guess if Qcdn becoming a subscrible area to read post and stuff, I don't think i'll be coming back to qcdn, unless there is something worth to pay.

Pay to read people flameboard, or view stuff that really no benfit to ourself in the game.

I think donation are the way to go, there is like 3k registered user, i'm sure 50 people out of 3k people will donate something >.>

or you can make Moderator donate you

You pay = you'll be moderator :P
 
Word, I'm all up for whatever. I can just add this to the 'online pr0n subscription' budget.

Ads don't bother me much either, thanks the the beauty of the Adblock plugin. It may not work 100% of the time, but it works well enough - I barely notice the stuff it doesnt block anyways.
 
AdSense ads. They're free and with all the page impressions you get clickthrough rates should be good. Hell, I made about $2 off AdSense just yesterday with only 300 views.
 
Vandoura said:
I guess if Qcdn becoming a subscrible area to read post and stuff, I don't think i'll be coming back to qcdn, unless there is something worth to pay.

Pay to read people flameboard, or view stuff that really no benfit to ourself in the game.

I think donation are the way to go, there is like 3k registered user, i'm sure 50 people out of 3k people will donate something >.>

or you can make Moderator donate you

You pay = you'll be moderator :P

....most of the moderators (and heavy post'ers) HAVE donated in the past...

I agree w/ Sneaky - if there will be charges (it should NOT just rest on Sculli's shoulders) then charges should be the responsibility of everyone. Post count doesn't matter - I know for a fact (from tons of random /tells in game) most ppl who frequent QCDN do not post - they just read.

I am sure a small fee wouldn't break any of us.

Otherwise - banners are fine, whatever works.
 
I don't think a fee would work - there's really not enough content value IMO to justify it.

The only site I've ever paid for membership is Something Awful and $10 for a lifetime membership (barring any screwups) is more than reasonable given the massive influx of new funny/informative/helpful content those forums provide.

Ask me to pay a fee to stay here (especially a monthly fee) and I'm gone. I'd suspect a lot more people would follow suit.
 
I agree with Cubswoo, I understand i'm younger. I also understand that I do not have the money to pay a fee (even a small one) to browse these forums, people will leave if we do do this and make a monthly fee. Not everyone here can pay a monthly fee, some (like me) are still under parent rule and I cannot explain to them that I would like to pay to browse a forum for the game I play. It's just not gonna happen.
 
CmdrFly said:
Ads don't bother me much either, thanks the the beauty of the Adblock plugin.
Adblock is actually a problem. Publishers only get paid if advertisers get to display ads. With adblock, the display process is not happening, and the ad serving host knows that too, thus publishers do not get paid. I read an interesting article about that the other day, I wish I could find the link.

We, as in the Internet users, have grown to regard the Internet as free, but in the end someone does have to pay up, and Adblock is one of the things that prevents that from happening.

Subscriptions are not going to happen. I agree with what many have said, that there isn't enough "premium" content on QCDN to warrant any kind of subscription.

Vandoura said:
I think donation are the way to go, there is like 3k registered user, i'm sure 50 people out of 3k people will donate something >.>
That's the problem with donations anywhere, not only at QCDN, unless some event makes one donate, most people will just assume there are enough other people who will donate. If QCDN were to become a chartered non-profit, then there would be some incentive to donate. Though it would require donors, and unless I manage to line some up, I wouldn't want to go through the effort to charter a non-profit just to have it sit there.

I think that this is no doomsday scenario. ;)
Sure, the hosting cost will eventually have to be figured out, but it's not like QCDNs existance hinges on it. QCDN will stay online for as long as there is FFXI, there are always ways to pay for things.

I like AdSense in a way that the ads are text and fairly unobtrusive. I would have to find out more about it I suppose, mainly whether there is client side ad content control.

Two things I will rule out as possibilities, subscriptions, and banner ads.
I need someone like AMD to drop a chunk of change on my desk and I will add a "Powered by AMD" logo to each page and be done with it. ;)
 
If you're going to use AdSense, Sculli, sign up through my blog's link. That way, once you make your first $100 I get $100 of my own, and can use some of that to donate back here. (Shameless plug ITT)

Also, even though Sculli said there won't be subs, I did want to add one thing - if this site ever went pay I think QCDN would rebirth itself on Alla or KI under their vastly underused server forum.
 
I think the strength of the board is the number of Quetz players that come here. Making it even a small subscription would cut the number of people visiting, and kill the board.

Ads are annoying, but I don't think anyone here should expect Sculli or the Mods to foot $720 per year.
 
exactly why did we upgrade to V Bulletin tho?

The old QCDN was fine wasnt it? Although laggy at times. I appreciate the upgrade tho.

how can we donate Scully? I'm interested...
 
Donations, Subscriptions, etc...im all for it. this is the only thing that keeps me entertained and connected with people i've come to consider friends/neighbors. so what ever is decided, im sticking for a while.

Hasta Luego!!
 
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