Question: HappyAngel Ls, theifs, scumbags? Answer: yep

[Psylentcuda]

I'm glad Ceram brought that up I've seen the same trend. I mean look at what they did to Dejan and he's one of the more respectable players on the server.

 

[Xenorex]

Something screwed up with the quote system here, and since the moderators took 2 days to post the message i don't recall what I was posting about.

 

[Lucki]

I'm glad Ceram brought that up I've seen the same trend. I mean look at what they did to Dejan and he's one of the more respectable players on the server.

Dejan left of his own accord as far as I and the other leaders know

 

[Lucki]

Dejan left of his own accord as far as I and the other leaders know

forgot to add his farewell post on TF forums

Well guys, i suppose there's no other way to say this aside from, i'm leaving, and i'll be taking with me the best memories a guy could have.

It was a damn good run, and i couldn't have been prouder of the things we've done. We started off from a tiny all-bst LS, that used to camp Rapido for fun and excitement, all the way to a full grown LS full of amazing people, always maintaining the all-bst/smn/pup attitude, and all of these amazing people brought this LS to life.

Since the begining, i've been proud to call myself the lead of the flock (even thought i wasn't the only one). Now i think the time has come for me to pass forth the batton. This may be a selfish act, but recent "occurances" have made it very clear that i'm not the lead i used to be. And i'm sorry about that. I've always tried to be fair and just, and honest to everyone. My apologies if i haven't been.

I'm posting this in the Admin section, before opening it to the rest of the LS, basically, because i want to know what's going to happen once i leave. I'm thinking Manasha will take over, with the help of the fantastic leaders we have, and keep theflock legacy going.

Believe it or not, i'm shaking whilst writing this. It's definitely not an easy decision, but i've let down a couple of key people enough to know i'm in harms way, so it's best i just call it quits, and go back to my own business, and possibly join another shell, or just quit altogether, which seems like a very decent option, since TheFlock is what kept me from doing so back in the day...

Anyways, i just wanted to say thank you, to all of you. Everyone was fantastic, and i will definitely not forget any of you till the day i have altzhimers. FFxi has become more than just a game to me, in the social aspect. I've met the most fascinating people, and that's been fantastic.

So, a last thank you, and i'll be taking my leave. Let me know what you want to do as far as the shell goes, and the leadership alike, so i can talk to a GM and transfer my LinkShell to someone else, or what not.

A lonely "Cheers";

Daniel

http://www.theflock.info/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=1789

so i fail to see what "we did to him," perhaps you could enlighten us?

 

[Master Honcho]

mpk at tiamat? huh.. last i heard was theflocks tiamat was stolen awhile back from another ls there... flock got it to like 9 % then stolen....


i dunno if anything else has happened... i understand the faust thing tho... u cant really blame that on them... people have to get up.. usually theres alot of people messin with the doors....

but. seeing since i dont play anymore, i dont really know what always goes on... but from what i can tell.. the newer flock members have seemed really cool to me..

 

[Dejavu]

mpk at tiamat? huh.. last i heard was theflocks tiamat was stolen awhile back from another ls there... flock got it to like 9 % then stolen....


i dunno if anything else has happened... i understand the faust thing tho... u cant really blame that on them... people have to get up.. usually theres alot of people messin with the doors....

but. seeing since i dont play anymore, i dont really know what always goes on... but from what i can tell.. the newer flock members have seemed really cool to me..

Eh yea i was there that day watching and Intergral did blame the Flock and the amount of pets they all of their members had lagging them to the point of wiping. Then when all of the pets died at once due to 3 firagas in a row it went unclaimed and was immediately claimed by deltoid from pers. They were tring to get it undercontrol and proceeded to flail it 3 times before finally knocking off that last 10%.

 

[Dejavu]

oh and incase you were wondering none of the flocks members were dead just the pets.

 

[Master Honcho]

ya i got confirmation that theflock has only tried tiamat once. and i still played.. and they didnt mpk anyone... tiamat was in fact taken fom theflock when they got it down to 9%.

anyway... back to the main topic... bluh.. people who steal nms are da not ub0rz..

 

[Manasha]

I am not a big fan of posting on qcdn. Dejan was always the one who made all the flowery posts in behalf of the LS. But I guess I should respond to some of the things said. (I know, wall of text >< I dont talk too often but when I do it's usually a lot)



I was not in the first small group of originators that started this shell back in June of 2006. But it was dejan and myself that re-grouped back in Jan of 2007 and tried to bring the shell back together after it nearly fell apart. We did have an awesome group of people that helped the shell leading up to our first Kirin. This continued all the way until server migration.

Unfortunately, shortly after migration I ended up getting pregnant. Was extremely sick for a month and was not around during the first month when everyone was migrating over. Eventually I miscarried and came back to the game. When I got back on TheFonz was pretty much leading the shell. This is something that he had stated many times that he did not want to do. But he did it because a lot of the leaders were gone for various reasons. So he stepped up to keep the shell from collapsing. I will always love fonz for doing this for the shell.

At times the shell would be so full that people could not get in. I will say that we did have a lot of conflicting personalities. We had nearly 100 people move from various servers, it was bound to happen. We really couldn’t monitor who all came over, we had no idea of what a persons reputation was from their home server. But Dejan and I said that we wanted to take on that responsibility of trying to create the largest BST/SMN LS. So we felt that we had to open the doors and that we would end up sorting things out as things came to light. We did end up with some people that did not have our mindset and did not have the respect for others that we want our LS members to have. Sadly, I feel we lost some good people because of this. Those that did not want to tolerate some of the personalities and went to find an LS that was a bit more stable.

I believe that we have weeded out a lot of the bad personalities. But I can not control everyone and only know things based on tells that I receive. The core is getting better. As with the Deathsreturn incident. I never had the chance to talk to him personally about it. But he did get on the LS and some members started asking him why he did that. He ended up taking the shell off and never coming back. Those people that will not allow other people in the shell to do such things is what we want our core to be.

I try to make everyone aware of our stance on game conduct. I have stated many times not to try to steal NMs; that no one is to claim or try to claim unless a group wipes on their own accord. I have seen people that want to bash certain incidents and maybe jump to conclusions and attack us before even talking with us. There have been incidents where we helped other LS’, but I am not going to be the one to point them out. I guess no one will ever stand up and say the times that we helped groups from wiping or at least attempted.




As far as Dejan is concerned no one but a few people know what was really going on in this shell leading up to dejan leaving. Anyone else that pretends they know are only taking bits and pieces of what other people say. Or coming up with their own conclusions based on things they may have seen or heard. But there are two sides to every story and I know one side isn't talking. I still love and care for dejan and wish him the best where ever he goes.

For Tiamat, this happened when I was sick and away from the game. Dejan gave me a brief summary of it. All that I remember of the story was that another group had it, was about to wipe and called for help. When it went back white we got claim. Then another group claimed it when it went white on our guys towards the end of the fight. But I wasn’t there; maybe someone that was there can post more.

At Faust, we had a large group there for an hour waiting for him to pop. Another group shows up with just a few people right before he spawned. Faust pops and they claim. We were not sure if they could pull it off so we had some other people head up there. We had several people asking for certain colored doors to be opened so they could get through. Most people know how that room can be, you open a particular colored monolith and by the time you get to the door someone has just hit the other color. So some people were asking for assistance to get through.



We know that the claim system is flawed for what we do. We take that chance every time we fight something. We have lot's of things taken because of the games mechanics. We can not control it or change it. This is why I rarely post on this issue. If another group takes pride in taking it from us, then so be it.

We do not have a "Revenge" mentality as said earlier. There are some LS' out there that have that towards us. But we never look at an LS and say, they are ok to try to steal from or try to MPK. I know with having a large group of people that have pets can lag shells out. I try to make some people stay back to avoid this but have enough people to be in place incase of a wipe.


But I can not be on 24/7 and baby-sit every player. All I can say is if there is a complaint about one of our player/s then I will look into the matter. I do believe we are beginning to have that positive group of players in our LS that have remained that will continue the tradition of this LS of the past.

I am always open to listen to things that someone has to say about our members. I do want this shell to be as good natured as it once was. I really do care for the shell and want to see it succeed, if not I would have walked away when things got rough like so many others.

With much love
-Mana

 

[Calintzpso]

Thank you Manasha for going into detail for me so I could avoid making them read my own wall of text lol cause we all know i make things 10 times bigger when posting details

Tiamat was claimed by us after another linkshell failed to get Tiamats HP down fast enough. They had a GM called on them and were forced to release or kill it so they CFH to piss everyone else off because as they where stalling for members(back before the GM policy change), the GM had it with them stalling with HIM as well and started kicking people into Jail so they CFH to piss everyone off as the GM finished kicking the rest of them. The GM told them NOT to Call for Help from what I was told by one of the mules near Tiamat, but failed to listed so they got jailed for 24-72 hours I'd assume.

We claimed "after" the CFH effect died and proceeded to kill it(it was at 91% when we claimed) where a freak wipe from a Spam of magic took most of, if not all of our pets out at around 9% left on Tiamat. Another ls then saw it blink yellow cause the HORRIBLE hate system just can to screw us then and Flash, Provoked, and used Invincible to steal it from us.

Well the other LS that took it from us were moving it around and down from where we had it on top of the hill, it flailed them multiple times. Killing most people around. It happened so fast I can see how you could think it was TheFlocks fault, but it wasn't.

So don't go blaming us please.

 

[Makelith]

What happened at Tiamat?
Can someone PM me as to what happened so no controversy is caused in this thread.

As far as i've heard, TF were MPK'ing with lag from pets, and then diaga'ing the slept elementals of integral. The screenshot i have doesn't show anything but the LS chat, and the person CFH'in Tiamat.

 

[Raesvelg]

As far as i've heard, TF were MPK'ing with lag from pets, and then diaga'ing the slept elementals of integral. The screenshot i have doesn't show anything but the LS chat, and the person CFH'in Tiamat.

Leaving aside the "who cares if Integral gets MPK'd?" for a minute, is there anything more concrete to this than "I heard that such and such happened, I have no proof, only total hearsay, but I'm gonna go with it because it makes for good drama" or is that it?

The "You're lagging us!" excuse is pretty played out, I recall a few shells using that at Ulli for crying out loud. Considering that you can easily control the number of models that show up on your screen at once, getting lagged due to pets or players is strictly your own damn fault, really.

 

[Solan]

As far as i've heard, TF were MPK'ing with lag from pets, and then diaga'ing the slept elementals of integral. The screenshot i have doesn't show anything but the LS chat, and the person CFH'in Tiamat.

Oh ok thanks, Manas cleared it up pretty much.

 

[Makelith]

Leaving aside the "who cares if Integral gets MPK'd?" for a minute, is there anything more concrete to this than "I heard that such and such happened, I have no proof, only total hearsay, but I'm gonna go with it because it makes for good drama" or is that it?

Well i've known the person who told me since about 6months after release. If no one wants to believe what it say its perfectly fine, but i don't believe him to be a liar.

 

[Calintzpso]

Well i've known the person who told me since about 6months after release. If no one wants to believe what it say its perfectly fine, but i don't believe him to be a liar.

That card has been played as well a lot. Everyone lies in some point in time in moments of anger, disgust, or shame. I'm not meaning to call your friend a direct lier either. I'm calling your reason a possible lie because theres no name, no account, no written evidence or multiple witnesses like other posts and explanations.

Just because I have a friend who has played with me doesn't mean they have never lied. If you found out they lied you'd accept it cause you respect them in some way. This is true to a point, and effect of the lie. Its a known fact that this act of kindness is protection among friends as well and family as well. More so known as accepting a persons faults and showing determination in providing tolerance towards rights and wrongs for the goal for absolute acceptance.

Everyones alone.

I'm gonna stop, seems I'm diving to deep into people. I'd hate to break someones core on accident over a trivial matter as a so and so said this so I believe them with one of my mind games. I still continue to try because as much as i seem to have defined it as me a superior, i am not, we are all in the same boat. Its just something that gets me by like other things get others by.

 

[Makelith]

That card has been played as well a lot. Everyone lies in some point in time in moments of anger, disgust, or shame. I'm not meaning to call your friend a direct lier either. I'm calling your reason a possible lie because theres no name, no account, no written evidence or multiple witnesses like other posts and explanations.

You're the only witness for your side, so you aren't that credible either, because like you said, everyone lies.

Just because I have a friend who has played with me doesn't mean they have never lied. If you found out they lied you'd accept it cause you respect them in some way. This is true to a point, and effect of the lie. Its a known fact that this act of kindness is protection among friends as well and family as well. More so known as accepting a persons faults and showing determination in providing tolerance towards rights and wrongs for the goal for absolute acceptance.

I'm not saying he never lied to me. He's a great friend of mine, but he has no motive to lie to me about this, since i don't even play anymore.

I don't even know how to take the rest of you psycho babble BS, because its just silly and complicated. Aside from:

Everyones alone.

If you want to be alone, then speak for yourself. Cheer up emo kid. I was never alone in game and i always had wonderful friends to talk to.

 

[Trippyhippy]

I'd just like to point out that MPK stands for Mob to Player Kill. Closing Doors or causing lag has absolutely nothing to do with MPK.

 

[Manasha]

I dont like throwing out the word liar. There are times when there is a mis-interpertation of events. Cali is the only one that has posted that was actually there. If there are other events of what happened someone is free to post their side.

Dejan was there and I know if he saw something that was not on the up and up then he would have stopped it. I am not going to say for certain that something could have been missed. It is just too much to keep track of when you have that many people. And as BSTs we always are having to look for the next pet so we do not get to see everything that is going on.

If someone did something to harm another LS in anyway then all they had to do is send a sack a tell of who was doing what. I would much rather have someone send us a tell and fix the situation than people thinking that the shell as a whole was out to harm others. If one person is doing something they should not be doing then I want to correct it as soon as we can.

 

[Calintzpso]

If you want to be alone, then speak for yourself. Cheer up emo kid. I was never alone in game and i always had wonderful friends to talk to.

Its one of the figurative expression about truth of lies. My god read more books. The fact of the ignorance in your post disgusted me. You aim to make whatever you can a bandwagon post with terms and use of Emo. If this was to much to understand, let me sum it up for you easier.

You follow a set path in the world you don't make your own path and thats just plain sad. It will be your downfall someday.

 

[Jussy]

I'd just like to point out that MPK stands for Mob to Player Kill. Closing Doors or causing lag has absolutely nothing to do with MPK.

good point. but still if ur closing doors for a not cool reason or trying to lag people out... that's not cool..



with that being said.. i dont think that was theflocks intentions on either one of those occurences, but hey... people will believe what they want so ya lol.


but yea... some people have got on here and said they have had probs with some members of theflock.. if thats true, id talk to mana and she would love to clear anything up im sure..

i was a member of theflock a longass time and we always did that right thing... i think they still do but if you see something that doesnt seem right just talk it up with mana