Question: HappyAngel Ls, theifs, scumbags? Answer: yep

[Mattaru]

Bro, just because you put a litlle "Fact:" before each one of your vague unsupportable opinions doesn't make them fact.

I was there, all of these things happened, none of them are really that bad at all. Does anyone like Integral anyway? Does anyone like it when an LS moves hp 7% over the course of an hour and only after a GM is called?

Trust me, if your job were needed in an HNM shell on your server, you wouldn't have had to server transfer to this server to actually be able to participate in these fights, buuuuuudddy. Perhaps rather than attacking one of the most experienced end-game personas on this server, you should take your almighty ls leaders advice and stfu.
Fact: Theflock is nothing like it was before.
Fact: Theflock is comprised of worthless fools now.

I hope you will take my word for it when I say there are some transfers who know whats going on and know how to handle themselves and you don't see them coming up in these threads for these exact reasons. This does not hold true, in my personal opinion, for all of them, so I would not say it "is full of worthless fools now". Also, a good portion of the transfers left from endgame shells on other servers, some very accredited because they like what they saw happening here. Most people in TF have 2-4 75 jobs, some with 5-7.

In general, Manasha made a post, and its probably best to follow her advice.

 

[jamal]

I hope you will take my word for it when I say there are some transfers who know whats going on and know how to handle themselves and you don't see them coming up in these threads for these exact reasons.

Reread my first post please. I'm not rewriting it a third time. You could have all the classiest people in the world, but it won't matter at all when you have others like this. I will blanket them all together due to the experiences I've had with said members.

 

[Mattaru]

Reread my first post please. I'm not rewriting it a third time. You could have all the classiest people in the world, but it won't matter at all when you have others like this. I will blanket them all together due to the experiences I've had with said members.

I don't need to reread it, I know what you said, and I don't disagree. My experience, which happens to be more intimate, leads me to not blanket them into one category, that is all.

 

[beeznuts]

I don't need to reread it, I know what you said, and I don't disagree. My experience, which happens to be more intimate, leads me to not blanket them into one category, that is all.

People who associate with trash are also trash.

 

[jamal]

As much as I hate to say it, this is partially why I don't really give a crap that VV got stolen. I rarely put on the pearl anymore, mainly because I only recognize maybe 1 in 5 of the people in it...just about all of the original members have quit save a dozen or so, maybe less, and I have no way of knowing the demeanor nor attitudes of most of the members until it's too late and I hafto make moves to try to save Flock's reputation because of it, and I've had to do it several times more post-server migrations than I've ever had to do before then. It's utterly heartbreaking.

but. seeing since i dont play anymore, i dont really know what always goes on... but from what i can tell.. the newer flock members have seemed really cool to me..

These are the types of posts that are backing everything I've said. The people backing theflock aren't in the shell and DON'T have experience with the new members. How come no one has replied about Koening yet? I specifically called him out.
Other flock members are simply disgusted, like Mish pointed out here, its heartbreaking. If it was only a few bad apples, it wouldn't be heartbreaking, you could clean it up quickly. Obviously its more than that. If you're not willing to accept that, then you'll be claiming ignorance as all of the original members of the flock, a once respected shell, leave.

 

[Raesvelg]

I'm still marveling at this incredibly successful derail...

 

[Nycon]

I'm still marveling at this incredibly successful derail...

Agreed. Isn't this a Happyangel flame? I say start up a new flame for TF if you must derail this much.

 

[Nycon]

Agreed. Isn't this a Happyangel flame? I say start up a new flame for TF if you must derail this much.

sorry for double post.. by "you" I mean the actual derailers, not Raes.

 

[jamal]

Well, I finally broke down and created an account on the infamous quetzy drama boards. And in good form I will make my first post a flame post, about a few ruthless scumbags within the HappyAngel linkshell. Will it resolve anything? Probably not. Will it make me feel better? Maybe. Atleast maybe it will just warn others to beware of these first rate Douche bags. (please correct me if I'm not flaming properly, I'm new to this)

Fact: He asked for it

 

[Audino]

Agreed. Isn't this a Happyangel flame? I say start up a new flame for TF if you must derail this much.

A novel idea.. but I think its past the point of no return, lol

 

[Nycon]

A novel idea.. but I think its past the point of no return, lol

lol, yeah you are probably right. Meh doesn't really matter to me. Carry on Jamal. rofl.

 

[Cletus]

As much as I hate to say it, this is partially why I don't really give a crap that VV got stolen. I rarely put on the pearl anymore, mainly because I only recognize maybe 1 in 5 of the people in it...just about all of the original members have quit save a dozen or so, maybe less, and I have no way of knowing the demeanor nor attitudes of most of the members until it's too late and I hafto make moves to try to save Flock's reputation because of it, and I've had to do it several times more post-server migrations than I've ever had to do before then. It's utterly heartbreaking.

Honestly, it doesn't even feel like TheFlock anymore, whether looking at it from the inside or out. There's nothing else I can contribute to this thread beyond this somewhat derail, sorry.

This bothers me a bit. You say yourself you rarely come in shell, yet you still want to bad mouth the members in it because of a few bad apples. You more than anyone else in this thread have the perfect opportunity to get to know us, yet you would rather /sadpanda and post this crap.

Sometimes you don't have to say anything at all. I see no need for what you posted other than to say the shell has gone downhill since server migration. Yet if you're rarely in shell, why should your opinion be valued?

 

[jamal]

lol, yeah you are probably right. Meh doesn't really matter to me. Carry on Jamal. rofl.

I'd rate you up for this, but unfortunately I had to burn them all showing the server transfers who rate-downed me what a real rate-down looks like...

 

[jamal]

Sometimes you don't have to say anything at all. I see no need for what you posted other than to say the shell has gone downhill since server migration. Yet if you're rarely in shell, why should your opinion be valued?

Probably because her as well as other members who have quit out of frustration have more experience in the shell than you fucking weak-ass transfers do combined. I swear how many more people are gonna come on and spew pointless bullshit with post-counts less than 10. Give me a break.

 

[Nycon]

This bothers me a bit. You say yourself you rarely come in shell, yet you still want to bad mouth the members in it because of a few bad apples. You more than anyone else in this thread have the perfect opportunity to get to know us, yet you would rather /sadpanda and post this crap.

Sometimes you don't have to say anything at all. I see no need for what you posted other than to say the shell has gone downhill since server migration. Yet if you're rarely in shell, why should your opinion be valued?

See the problem is though, that she is a highly respected member of this community and her comments have alot of weight here. People know her to be level headed and fair, so people will tend to believe what she has to say about the shell much more than some unknown player named Cletus who has 2 posts.. kthxbi

 

[jamal]

See the problem is though, that she is a highly respected member of this community and her comments have alot of weight here. People know her to be level headed and fair, so people will tend to believe what she has to say about the shell much more than some unknown player named Cletus who has 2 posts.. kthxbi

owed rateup #2...I might have to start writing these down

 

[Mattaru]

People who associate with trash are also trash.

Honestly, this is so short-sighted, performative contradiction anyone. You seem to assume that people act in an atomized way in any sort of social space, whether it be a game and in real life, that they are therefore completely in control of who they directly or indirectly associate with. Have you ever bought shihei, have you ever been in a shell that had one or a couple members who turned out to be different with what you thought, have you ever even been in a shell with one person who you did not like because of how you deemed (subjectively) as acting in a negative "trash-like" way but stayed because of on the whole you enjoyed everyone else in the shell (in your world of zero-sum relations, I suppose you don't).

Its as if when I log on to the game I have perfect information about anyone who I associate with and am therefore culpable when they act in a manner someone deems as "trash". Its putting a blind characterization on someone via their social position or social networks which assumes that they are going to always act in accordance to the role you are going to perceive. Oh, you are associated with TheFlock? You are most obviously trash because from atop my Ivory Tower I am not bound to the simple reality of social imbeddedness and therefore can cast stones at you, who I know belong to definable boxes of identity and socio-spatial constructions (which you are naturally above). Its just silly, absurd, and short-sighted.

Moreover, check your premises in your silly linguistic construction you think is perfect logic.

 

[Cletus]

See the problem is though, that she is a highly respected member of this community and her comments have alot of weight here. People know her to be level headed and fair, so people will tend to believe what she has to say about the shell much more than some unknown player named Cletus who has 2 posts.. kthxbi

I understand this, but it wasn't really directed at you. I was just pointing out to Mishaela the problem I had with the post. I know you and Jamal have to make it through the workday somehow, and you choose camping the flameboard. I have no problem with that, I have a lot of downtime at work as well. However, I do have a problem with a well-respected member of the community making comments like she did. It bothered me so I chose to respond.

 

[Siviard]

/shocking to see you're a server transfer. How the hell am I bandwagoning? Trust me, if your job were needed in an HNM shell on your server, you wouldn't have had to server transfer to this server to actually be able to participate in these fights, buuuuuudddy. Perhaps rather than attacking one of the most experienced end-game personas on this server, you should take your almighty ls leaders advice and stfu.
Fact: Theflock is nothing like it was before.
Fact: Theflock is comprised of worthless fools now.

Also, you may want to mention to your fellow transferfucks that in order for a ratedown to be effective, you must have some semblance of a reputation to begin with. Key examples:

Another example of why I'm right about the server transfers is summed up in one word, Siviard.

Excuse me, but why are you stomping my name into the dirt?

Yes, I transferred to Quetz to join TheFlock. Yes, I was there at Tiamat. But you can ask Manasha or Dejan or Xenorex or any current sackholders for TheFlock that I was one of the more honorable players in the LS.

The fact that you, sir, choose to try and give me a bad name is evidence that you are a piece of shit that needs to be stepped on and scraped off on concrete.

I left lmfaoQuetz to go back home to Shiva, and I couldn't be happier, and truthfully, I would advise my fellow LoTBers to do the same. Other than TheFlock, Quetz sucks ass, the players there are pieces of shit, and I'm glad to be off that God forsaken server.

 

[beeznuts]

Have you ever bought shihei

I have no control over who I buy shihei from. If it were possible, RMT would be having pretty hard times, no doubt.

have you ever been in a shell that had one or a couple members who turned out to be different with what you thought,

Yes, and promptly left. Nobody's omniscient, but in many cases, things like this are obvious.

have you ever even been in a shell with one person who you did not like because of how you deemed (subjectively) as acting in a negative "trash-like" way but stayed because of on the whole you enjoyed everyone else in the shell (in your world of zero-sum relations, I suppose you don't).

Yes, while petitioning to have them removed, tolerating next to nothing from them, and finally leaving when nothing was working.


Trying to use as large of a vocabulary as possible doesn't make the excuses any better. If you know someone is trash and tolerate it, hanging around with them and such, you are just as bad.

People who associate with trash are trash. Simple words for a simple concept that requires none of this ridiculous analysis you're going into.