Question: HappyAngel Ls, theifs, scumbags? Answer: yep

Siviard said:
I left lmfaoQuetz to go back home to Shiva, and I couldn't be happier, and truthfully, I would advise my fellow LoTBers to do the same. Other than TheFlock, Quetz sucks ass, the players there are pieces of shit, and I'm glad to be off that God forsaken server.
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I know nothing of your conduct on our server, but you win points in my book for this.
 
jamal said:
Now if I only knew what Keening was I'd be set.
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http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Keening

Complete nerd answer 4tw?

Siviard said:
Yes, I transferred to Quetz to join TheFlock. Yes, I was there at Tiamat. But you can ask Manasha or Dejan or Xenorex or any current sackholders for TheFlock that I was one of the more honorable players in the LS.
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Wasn't this you? If it was it isn't all that super honorable. It was pretty widely assumed it was you since its so easy to do a proxy, but there is no way to be sure, and if it wasn't then disregard.
 
Siviard said:
I left lmfaoQuetz to go back home to Shiva, and I couldn't be happier, and truthfully, I would advise my fellow LoTBers to do the same. Other than TheFlock, Quetz sucks ass, the players there are pieces of shit, and I'm glad to be off that God forsaken server.
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awwww!! Someone got butthurt. :nyam:
 
Garvin said:
Trying to use as large of a vocabulary as possible doesn't make the excuses any better. If you know someone is trash and tolerate it, hanging around with them and such, you are just as bad.

People who associate with trash are trash. Simple words for a simple concept that requires none of this ridiculous analysis you're going into.
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Simple, easy things to digest are more than often incorrect when it comes to these type of issues. If you want me to put it simply for you.

First, your statement "People who associate with trash are trash."

The first problem is associate. You give me or anyone else any bright line as to how far association goes. Is it talking, is it partying, is it purchasing a good from? I tend to think since you posted your statement in this context you at least believe that being in the same LS is a form of association. What many people don't know is in TheFlock specifically there are people who use it only as a social shell as a BST and really have little interaction with any LS activities other than that. Even though these people never show up at endgame events you assume that the conduct of those who do is parallel to those who don't because you have decided their behavior is determinant on the social space (I can assume you can understand what that means) you reference them by in terms of 'association'.

What this gets at here is association is a term directly linked to perceived social connection which works at different frames of reference. You play FFXI, an observer would therefore associate you as the FFXI player base, their perceived notions about that player base in someway apply to you from their perspective. Another frame of reference would be endgame, linkshell, party, consumer etc. These are like nesting dolls and often overlap (like a venn diagram) and by looking at one alone (atomizing) you miss the big picture.

Following from your logic, not mine this is also true. Gilsellers are trash, you are associated with RMT by purchasing their goods, you are associated with RMT and are therefore trash (you can control this, you quit the game just like you quit those LSs). You may say, but buying from RMT in that way is not association, well maybe you shouldn't have been so simplistic about it? This is what I mean when I say you assume that associations are 'zero-sum games'. Garvin is calling himself trash, I'm not, keep this in mind. And really he should just delink himself from everything if he wants to escape his self indictment.

See how it can take three paragraphs to deconstruct one word. Its because the surface is easy its simple and often wrong.

Next is trash. This is pretty straightforward, I assume you have a definition of what trash is. Lets say A is Trash which has certain features of your choosing. These, even if they overlap with many people's associations (oh no!) with the word do not guarantee they are going to be exactly similar, but this isn't the main argument. Now if A and B are in the same linkshell and A is obviously Trash to you it would follow that B is also Trash, guaranteed without a doubt A and B are equivalent with your definition of Trash. But, this is problematic because what you are saying is that it isn't entirely their equivalent adherence to the definition of Trash that makes B such, its their association, which is of an entirely different nature. So really, what you are saying is A and B aren't equivalent because they are inherently the same in characteristics but by an entirely different definition (their association). Therefore, lets say that A is undeniably Trash to you, B could therefore be anything, anything at all yet still be equivalently A due to an association which is defined by completely different factors. Thats just nonsense.

I could go on, but I won't in this post. To conclude: Garvin is trash, because he said so.
 
Siviard said:
I left lmfaoQuetz to go back home to Shiva, and I couldn't be happier, and truthfully, I would advise my fellow LoTBers to do the same. Other than TheFlock, Quetz sucks ass, the players there are pieces of shit, and I'm glad to be off that God forsaken server.
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My how interpretations of the same events are funny. You did create a new word though. When someone completely fucks up after server jumping its now called Siviarding. You've got quite a few followers already, perhaps you're the messiah sent to save Quetz from the scum that came from other servers.
 
Siviard said:
No sir, I merely came to my senses. Realized Quetzalcoatl is a crap server with crappy people, and I left. End of story.
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Yet you still post here. Fact: That is piss poor.
 
What did I start by using

Fact:. .
 
Blazeoffury said:
What did I start by using

Fact:. .
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The office is rumored to be cancelled, so I'm coincidentally making Dwight Schrute comments at all possible conjectures.

For example:
A Blazeoffury does not give milk, nor wool or meat.
 
jamal said:
The office is rumored to be cancelled, so I'm coincidentally making Dwight Schrute comments at all possible conjectures.

For example:
A Blazeoffury does not give milk, nor wool or meat.
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You can milk anything with nipples!
 
jamal said:
/shocking to see you're a server transfer. How the hell am I bandwagoning? Trust me, if your job were needed in an HNM shell on your server, you wouldn't have had to server transfer to this server to actually be able to participate in these fights, buuuuuudddy. Perhaps rather than attacking one of the most experienced end-game personas on this server, you should take your almighty ls leaders advice and stfu.
Fact: Theflock is nothing like it was before.
Fact: Theflock is comprised of worthless fools now.

Also, you may want to mention to your fellow transferfucks that in order for a ratedown to be effective, you must have some semblance of a reputation to begin with. Key examples:
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Another example of why I'm right about the server transfers is summed up in one word, Siviard.
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"You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to jamal again."
 
Siviard said:
I left lmfaoQuetz to go back home to Shiva, and I couldn't be happier, and truthfully, I would advise my fellow LoTBers to do the same. Other than TheFlock, Quetz sucks ass, the players there are pieces of shit, and I'm glad to be off that God forsaken server.
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Siviard said:
Fact: You are rubbing my name in the mud and are trying to give me a bad name.

Fact: I am here defending myself. Nothing more.
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Reminds me of this little kid I once met. He'd slyly wait until he thought no adult was watching, and hit one of the other kids, or bug them somehow until they (rather naturally) hit him back. As soon as they did, he wailed up a storm to get the attention of the local adults, to make out like he was a poor innocent victim being attacked unprovoked.

You have a valid point that you weren't the one who started it, but please drop the "poor innocent little me, I've done nothing wrong, I'm just a blameless victim" act. You started mud-slinging yourself in your very first post in this topic. Rather than, ya know, even *trying* to come across as being the better man before eventually having to resort to fighting fire with fire.
 
Fact: The Dwight Schrute Army of Champions influenced the "fact." Dwight Schrute > BoF!

Fact: Calling someone out IRL over trading blows on internet forums is pathetic.

Are you still waiting for that apology you demanded from me too, Siv, because you cried over that joke I made about you? There's a lot of people that came to Quetz that have been fitting in fine. You were just a bloke that was trying way, way, too hard.

Once Mickey is done training me for my one on one with RyoVang's "friend" Nick Diaz, I'll send him your way Jam so you can learn a few things before you throw hands with Siviard.
 
Mattaru said:
Simple, easy things to digest are more than often incorrect when it comes to these type of issues. If you want me to put it simply for you.

First, your statement "People who associate with trash are trash."

The first problem is associate. You give me or anyone else any bright line as to how far association goes. Is it talking, is it partying, is it purchasing a good from? I tend to think since you posted your statement in this context you at least believe that being in the same LS is a form of association. What many people don't know is in TheFlock specifically there are people who use it only as a social shell as a BST and really have little interaction with any LS activities other than that. Even though these people never show up at endgame events you assume that the conduct of those who do is parallel to those who don't because you have decided their behavior is determinant on the social space (I can assume you can understand what that means) you reference them by in terms of 'association'.

What this gets at here is association is a term directly linked to perceived social connection which works at different frames of reference. You play FFXI, an observer would therefore associate you as the FFXI player base, their perceived notions about that player base in someway apply to you from their perspective. Another frame of reference would be endgame, linkshell, party, consumer etc. These are like nesting dolls and often overlap (like a venn diagram) and by looking at one alone (atomizing) you miss the big picture.

Following from your logic, not mine this is also true. Gilsellers are trash, you are associated with RMT by purchasing their goods, you are associated with RMT and are therefore trash (you can control this, you quit the game just like you quit those LSs). You may say, but buying from RMT in that way is not association, well maybe you shouldn't have been so simplistic about it? This is what I mean when I say you assume that associations are 'zero-sum games'. Garvin is calling himself trash, I'm not, keep this in mind. And really he should just delink himself from everything if he wants to escape his self indictment.

See how it can take three paragraphs to deconstruct one word. Its because the surface is easy its simple and often wrong.

Next is trash. This is pretty straightforward, I assume you have a definition of what trash is. Lets say A is Trash which has certain features of your choosing. These, even if they overlap with many people's associations (oh no!) with the word do not guarantee they are going to be exactly similar, but this isn't the main argument. Now if A and B are in the same linkshell and A is obviously Trash to you it would follow that B is also Trash, guaranteed without a doubt A and B are equivalent with your definition of Trash. But, this is problematic because what you are saying is that it isn't entirely their equivalent adherence to the definition of Trash that makes B such, its their association, which is of an entirely different nature. So really, what you are saying is A and B aren't equivalent because they are inherently the same in characteristics but by an entirely different definition (their association). Therefore, lets say that A is undeniably Trash to you, B could therefore be anything, anything at all yet still be equivalently A due to an association which is defined by completely different factors. Thats just nonsense.

I could go on, but I won't in this post. To conclude: Garvin is trash, because he said so.
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All you've done is changed the context of what I've said, and started picking away at the semantics of the words I have chosen, rather than the idea, as it was presented, and intended.

I may not be a linguistics major, but it's fairly obvious that you're doing nothing but nitpick with the presentation of what I've said, and truthfully, this sort of analysis does nothing to clarify what I've said, but instead obfuscates it... for your purposes of course.

Sometimes the simplest statements are just that. Simple, accurate, and clear statements, like how people who associate with trash are trash themselves.
 
Garvin said:
All you've done is changed the context of what I've said, and started picking away at the semantics of the words I have chosen, rather than the idea, as it was presented, and intended.

I may not be a linguistics major, but it's fairly obvious that you're doing nothing but nitpick with the presentation of what I've said, and truthfully, this sort of analysis does nothing to clarify what I've said, but instead obfuscates it... for your purposes of course.

Sometimes the simplest statements are just that. Simple, accurate, and clear statements, like how people who associate with trash are trash themselves.
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1) All I've done is tell you what your idea is without you even knowing it.
2) I'm not a linguistics major either, I'm not a sociology major, I'm not a philosophy major. I'm a International Affairs Development Studies major and a Japanese major. I don't know whether to believe you or the people who have rated me up for what I said as far as clarity goes, though I tend to think when a few people get it there has to be something to that especially when they say "Elegant and completely true".
3) Yeah some are, like ... Cats like cat food, but all simple statements are not equal.

4) I'd give you more credit if you responded and actually tried to rebuild your intent behind your statement, but you don't.

Quesadilla and class if I don't respond in a week its because I'm busy.
 
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