Question: HappyAngel Ls, theifs, scumbags? Answer: yep

jamal said:
wait a second rofl

X Enore X

Is this seriously Enore? Omg lol if it is I'm gonna be laughing all afternoon.
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its not... sorry to burst your bubble
 
I'm the guy at the zoo who likes to feed the monkeys right underneath the sign that says "DO NOT FEED THE MONKEYS!"

Heres a banana monkeyboys, now play with each other for me.

I'll check back in an hour and I expect to see another 4-5 pages of stupidity by then, now get cracking Rappamonkey and Jamonkyal <---highly clever play on words and names (apparently, thats the proper way to flame here as well, no?)
 
No, you're more like an idiots. Just FYI.
 
heres the thing..


to avid qcdn posters and theflock members.


to theflock.. some people on here are just not gonna like you. especially to you transfers. just plain and simple. keep going out there and doin your thing and keep the classy act of theflock tradition going. squabbling on here isn't gonna help anything. if people don't like you. well, oh well. i like you and thats all that matters lawl.. if people try and call you out... just use the old ways of 'killing with kindness'




to avid qcdn posters... if theflock pisses you off... ok... but i mean don't say the whole LS is trash because some people piss you off... what garvin was saying made somewhat sense but not really. ' trash associates with trash' or w/e. well that's your opinion.. you may think someone in the LS is trash hence you think everyone else in the LS is trash... well... some people may not think the same as you, so your statement isn't really valid... but hey think what you want.. ' that person sucks TO ME.. they all must suck'

which in fact... to many other players, the person you think is trash is well respected by many others... i'm sure you're understanding my logic.. i'm at work just trying to do this quick before i get in trouble lawl.



in other words.... la la la la la um la la la la la la


we may not all get along but show some respect to each other.. that goes for everyone.

if someone doesn't wanna at least how you respect, then forget it and just keep doing the right thing on the game and then they can't deny the respect you deserve.
 
Master Honcho said:
to avid qcdn posters... if theflock pisses you off... ok... but i mean don't say the whole LS is trash because some people piss you off... what garvin was saying made somewhat sense but not really. ' trash associates with trash' or w/e. well that's your opinion.. you may think someone in the LS is trash hence you think everyone else in the LS is trash... well... some people may not think the same as you, so your statement isn't really valid... but hey think what you want.. ' that person sucks TO ME.. they all must suck'
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Truth. When I started playing this game, I was helped out a lot by a few members of TheFlock. One person who really guided me was a Beastmaster named Bahamaboi, who was a member of TheFlock. It was nice to see people who were high level at the time help someone out that didn't know much about the game yet. For people to generalize that their linkshell is full of "trash" is just plain ignorant.
 
Its ignorant, yes, but its also human nature. Everyone generalizes based off of their real world experience. If you get a really really shitty burger somewhere that has like hair and a finger nail in it, chances are you aren't going to want a buger from that chain ever again.

I've had a few experiences with Dejan, and manasha seems like she has a solid head on her shoulders, but others aren't as lucky and have to deal with MPK and asshats.

Everyone has done it, so calling people out for doing it is a bit hypocritical.
 
Makelith said:
Its ignorant, yes, but its also human nature. Everyone generalizes based off of their real world experience. If you get a really really shitty burger somewhere that has like hair and a finger nail in it, chances are you aren't going to want a buger from that chain ever again.

I've had a few experiences with Dejan, and manasha seems like she has a solid head on her shoulders, but others aren't as lucky and have to deal with MPK and asshats.

Everyone has done it, so calling people out for doing it is a bit hypocritical.
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This was almost on topic, I applaud you. The op got a shitty burger at the HappyAngel drive through. Don't eat there. If you got a shitty burger somewhere else, make your own flame.

However, what is the purpose of the flameboard if not to call people out for being disrespcetful in game? I know the purpose of this board wasn't initially intended to be the personal playground of a few jerks who just like to call people names and make silly 1st grader jokes about each other. But thats about what every thread I've now skimmed through turns out to be, and I keep seeing the same names popping up with nothing new to contribute in each thread. Its no surprise they have 1200 - 4000 plus posts each.
 
I don't know a lot about TheFlock but most of the time I do hear of them it's really great. They seem like good people that like to help others out. I love how 500 good deeds get forgotten because of 2 or 3 bad ones. If you've got issues with members of the shell bring it up with the leaders as they do sound like they're looking to improve themselves.
 
Edit: And by the way this hating on server transfers just because they're server transfers is stupid, how about we judge people by their actions rather than where they came from.
 
Xenorex said:
This was almost on topic, I applaud you. The op got a shitty burger at the HappyAngel drive through. Don't eat there. If you got a shitty burger somewhere else, make your own flame.

However, what is the purpose of the flameboard if not to call people out for being disrespcetful in game? I know the purpose of this board wasn't initially intended to be the personal playground of a few jerks who just like to call people names and make silly 1st grader jokes about each other. But thats about what every thread I've now skimmed through turns out to be, and I keep seeing the same names popping up with nothing new to contribute in each thread. Its no surprise they have 1200 - 4000 plus posts each.
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Careful X, these are well-respected members of the community and "end game vet personas". Seriously though, it's easy to figure out who contributes and who doesn't. Just ignore the ones who get under your skin. They're just having their fun, and when you get riled up over it you play right into their hands. You got your point out, some people stole a mob from you and now others know to watch out when these guys are around. Us "trash" from other servers will now know to watch out for those goons and appreciate the heads up.
 
Xenorex said:
However, what is the purpose of the flameboard if not to call people out for being disrespcetful in game?
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If MPK isn't disrespectful in game, then i don't know what is. The thread started as HA being idiots, but that isn't really a suprise to anyone here, but the topic has since progressed to something else that is perfectly valid. Why should TF complain about underhanded tactics when they seem to be just as dirty.

Its like that whole flame from people in JDA about being MPK'd. No one took it seriously, because they were the most notorious for doing it.
 
So....no one is worried about a new hack that can take over claim at low health, without using any known SE glitches? Really?

iirc, the op and Mish said that they had pets on and spells on, and VV never turned yellow, and Mish was still being hit after claim transferred to HA.

Why are we all assuming it's the old mpk patch BST glitch and not HappyAngel taking hacking/botting to the next level?
 
Silenus said:
Why are we all assuming it's the old mpk patch BST glitch and not HappyAngel taking hacking/botting to the next level?
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Maybe this is sarcasm...I sure hope it is. Just in case it isn't:

Probably because of the 4 or so threads about the BST glitch posted in the last month from different offenders. If its a new hack/bot, it sure spread to alot of people really quickly.
 
Aye, but the BST glitch pet swap problem doesn't usually include a successful, what was it, Slow II, landing, and then VV was claimed before another tier II spell could cast?

Add to the mix that they sat around and waited for 15 minutes for someone to engage and take VV's hp down before they moved in.

Something about this stinks worse than usual imho.
 
Makelith said:
If MPK isn't disrespectful in game, then i don't know what is. The thread started as HA being idiots, but that isn't really a surprise to anyone here, but the topic has since progressed to something else that is perfectly valid. Why should TF complain about underhanded tactics when they seem to be just as dirty.

Its like that whole flame from people in JDA about being MPK'd. No one took it seriously, because they were the most notorious for doing it.
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You make a good point, it simply doesn't apply here, though. TF is a well known shell that does not MPK or steal NMs. There has been one random unfounded accusation made somewhere buried beneath the name calling and first grader "I'm rubber your glue" posts that now dominate this thread.

The people and possibly ls representatives that have posted here that claim that all TF members deserve everything they get no matter the situation based on one unfounded claim have basically shown their true colors and prove they are the type of people, players and ls's that condone MPK, NM stealing, using bots and all around bad player tactics. There opinions should and will also be discounted by most intelligent readers.
 
For what it's worth, here is my 2 cents on some of the issues here.

The fact that HA stole the NM isn't that big a deal. They have a rep for this so it's nothing new. Yes it sucks that they waited till it was almost dead to steal it but not totally unexpected, if I was a player with little to no conscience about fair play I would of waited too. Whether it was a hack or just the normal pet swapping glitch we usually have I don't know.

I totally disagree with the "you're trash cause you associate with trash" bit. As far as I can tell every end game shell of any size or worth has people in it that just get on other peoples nerves or that they just cannot get along with. Shells of that size are going to have enough different personalities that it's going to happen. I personally don't say that all members of a shell are trash or assholes just because I may not like one or two people from that shell. Thats not to say that I don't keep the rep of that shell in mind when I'm in competition with them for something but I try to judge people on an individual basis and on my experiences with them.

TheFlock has had a lot of turn over in recent months, with a ton of new people coming in and a lot of the old faces moving on to other things. As such there is going to be a period where things are in flux and we work to reestablish ourselves and find our baseline again. For the most part this has happened and since I was there for most of this I will honestly say that its not as bad as some people want to make it seem. Have we killed Tiamat or Vrtra, not that I know of, but I do know of 3 Jormy's and 1 Cerberus. How many shells can boast that? How many shells can boast that while also saying they did it with only 2 jobs? Is it possible that other shells could of stolen those HNM's from us? It's entirely possible, especially at Cerberus, and I applaud the shells that watched us and did not steal, I'm sure there were opportunities and it had to be tempting.

As Manasha discussed in her post, only a few people know the -exact- reason or reasons why Dejan left and the events surrounding it. All I will say is we did not run him off, he left of his own volition.

For those who want the summarized version:
1. Stealing is expected from HA.
2. Deal with people on an individual basis, but keep their LS rep in mind when CCing them.
3. TheFlock has had a lot of turnover but we're still successful.
4. Manasha's right and she is a good leader trying to do what's best for the shell.
 
Xenorex said:
TF is a well known shell that does not MPK or steal NMs. There has been one random unfounded accusation made somewhere buried beneath the name calling and first grader "I'm rubber your glue" posts that now dominate this thread.
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If it was still *only* my baseless accusation made, and that it was, because it was just hearsay. I made that clear it was hearsay and people could take it how they wanted. However,

Blazeoffury said:
I was at TheFlocks Tiamat excursion, I was infact in the shell talking to them as I had done many times before.

There was admittance to Diaging Elementals.

[Rememberence, I'm not sure who, but I'm almost 100% positive it was a transfer who admitted to Diaging Integrals elementals, because that person ended up having hate on all of them after Int wiped and died to them.]
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The bolded parts aren't so baseless.

As much as i agree with you that TF doesn't deserve the completly bad rep they are getting, its just simple to point out now that TF can't really go out and point fingers for underhanded activites. TF is still a great LS that has done many great things, but in a a scene where people will do pretty much anything to get what they want, its not suprising at all that they would steal a NM to get what they want that much faster. Knowing its a game mechanics flaw makes it that much better for them, because a GM can't do anything about it.
 
Garvin said:
Pardon me that I don't feel like lawyerspeaking, I'm busy at the moment.

The first problem you're coming up against is the fact that you're attempting to tell me the meaning behind my words. I'm perfectly aware of what my words mean, you seem to be the one who is struggling with that part.

The second thing you seem to be doing is isolating what I've said from the context of this thread, which can't and likely shouldn't be done. If you need an explanation as to why human speech is reliant on context, I can bring up some conversations I've had with a friend of mine who is a linguistics major.

In the context of this thread (or even out of context with common sense applied), associate is clearly shown to be a willing ingame relationship, involving various, repeated game activities. I'm not going to sit and type all this out (maybe more if you want it really legal-style) just so people who can't apply common sense to something I've said can understand.

Your gripes about my use of the vague word "trash" are also rather irrelevant, I'm not going to sit down and list every single item that someone could do to be considered a bad person, in game or out of game, especially when this list may not coincide with others'.

You're also adding an absurd layer of complexity, with degrees of association that aren't necessary, just to "prove" that what I've said is flawed, and removing again, the common sense assumption that there will be exceptions to every statement.

Nothing you've said was elegant, the only thing you've done is attempt to obfuscate a simple phrase, and throw so many logical fallacies my way that I'll be a month cleaning them all off my jacket.
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Lawyer-speaking? Whatever, I call it orderly discourse instead of internet jumble. If you took some time to try it too who knows what could happen. Oh, the possibilities.

I know exactly what you were trying to say, I'm saying the implications of your statement (even within lines of your intent and context) are absurd when you take the time for a double-take. If you go back and read my second response is put in terms within context of the game, actors within the game, theflock and more importantly the thread. I think I even specifically mentioned taking the term association within context to the thread at some point in that response. Honestly, my first post did the same but I just made the leap for you in the second post for the sake of saving you the abstractive leap. Save me your linguistics major friend, I know from studying language that there are definitely contextual nuances that can complete change the meaning. Don't tell me I'm taking it out of context, tell me why I'm taking it out of context. It's called warranting a claim try it some time. You may call that "lawyer-talk" I call it basic freaking logic.

Then I said the vagueness of the word trash wasn't my main point which must have just wooshed because you have yet to respond to it. You may want to start making a list in order to show that people are at least even of a semblance of a parallel to one another that you assume is apparent by some abstract association.

Did you just say there will be exceptions to every statement? Then don't make simplistic assumptions about people's character and save yourself the trouble of looking like an idiot.

Dude, what have I told you about warranting statements. If I am making obvious logical fallacies stop wasting time cleaning your impeccably kept jacket and point them out.
 
Kermadec said:
TheFlock has had a lot of turn over in recent months, with a ton of new people coming in and a lot of the old faces moving on to other things. As such there is going to be a period where things are in flux and we work to reestablish ourselves and find our baseline again. For the most part this has happened and since I was there for most of this I will honestly say that its not as bad as some people want to make it seem. Have we killed Tiamat or Vrtra, not that I know of, but I do know of 3 Jormy's and 1 Cerberus. How many shells can boast that? How many shells can boast that while also saying they did it with only 2 jobs? Is it possible that other shells could of stolen those HNM's from us? It's entirely possible, especially at Cerberus, and I applaud the shells that watched us and did not steal, I'm sure there were opportunities and it had to be tempting.
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How many shells have killed Jorm for going on half a decade. 4. If you're going to try to 'boast', then realize you have no place if you bucket yourself with the rest of the HNM crew. Even if you happen to take out Vrtra, it took you 3 years longer to do it then other HNM shells on our server. You can't compete with the big boys, because you've started after things have been accomplished a multitude of times. I used to be a Flock supporter because of the uniqueness, but these fucking bitchfests have to stop. We all know bsts get fucked over. Fucking fix the problem.

Utilize your strengths. You are not an HNM shell, you are a unique shell that occasionally kills HNMs. Without the addition of summoners to the LS, do you really think you would be taking out Jorm? There is one job that is needed for Wyrm fights...and you have it. Congratulations on utilizing a 3 year old strategy? Other shells don't use beasts because there are better options available. You guys chose to not use them. If Microsoft and a new company start fighting for a new software, and are both developing it at the same time, Microsoft will produce it in greater quantity, at a fixed price, and in 1/10th the time the other developers could take to make a product that does the same thing, all while using 50% of the same technology that made the microsoft product succesful.

Would the second company still be able to be proud of their accomplishments?
Sure. They did it without utilizing the best parts minus the one key ingredient. Everything else is fully functional, but you run into problems such as Security features to keep unwanted users out, ie the claim rule.
In society, this unique product would fail because of the weaknesses, especially if you call customer service and hear bitching and moaning that its not their fault the product can't keep away software pirates, its the pirates for existing.

If something is broke, fucking fix it. If you're going to try to be a serious HNM shell, realize that with the power you're assuming you have also comes responsibility to ensure things run smooth. If I have to hear another bitch fest from the beasts about having a mob stolen from the claim process, I'll go insane. There is NO reason why you should be allowing this to happen. The problem is in your setup. If you want to use it, know the risks and consequences. If you want to be a true HNM shell, then get some fucking jobs that can hold hate on a mob.
 
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