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Shaunessy said:
You can by Cure from an NPC. Show me where Utsusemi is sold from an NPC and then I start jumping down peoples throats for not having it.
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Until you understand the point we are all trying to make, its probably better if you just don't talk.
 
Ellessandra said:
Huh? I wasn't trying to win anything. o.0 I was interested in what you thought lol.
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sorry usually "lol okay" is the shit i got nothing to go on anymore and i'm just going to ignore you. its the flame board everything is taken offencive unless properly stated so.
 
Shaunessy said:
You can by Cure from an NPC. Show me where Utsusemi is sold from an NPC and then I start jumping down peoples throats for not having it.
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its a npc on the wall in Lower Jeuno called AH there is like 4 of them that sell it. the price fluctuates though, there is also a npc that gives it to you FREE if you do a task for him in norg.
 
Passions said:
sorry usually "lol okay" is the shit i got nothing to go on anymore and i'm just going to ignore you. its the flame board everything is taken offencive unless properly stated so.
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lol no wonder you people argue about the dumbest stuff on here XD it's like an ego contest to see who can make themselves better than the other hehe
 
Trippyhippy said:
Utsusemi is cheaper than cure because you can quest it.
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Hmmm....I'll have to disagree. Cure 70 gil. 50 of which you can get right at the start of the game by turning in an Adventurers coupon. Utsusemi requires you to level a job to 30, unlock another job, level that job to 12, raise fame in a town, go to that town and unlock the quest, do the quest, get the scroll, use the scroll. Now I'm not a mathamatition, but I do know that time is money, and doing the utsusemi quest takes way more time that getting 70 gil. So you're wrong on your claim that uts is cheaper than cure.
 
Shaunessy said:
Hmmm....I'll have to disagree. Cure 70 gil. 50 of which you can get right at the start of the game by turning in an Adventurers coupon. Utsusemi requires you to level a job to 30, unlock another job, level that job to 12, raise fame in a town, go to that town and unlock the quest, do the quest, get the scroll, use the scroll. Now I'm not a mathamatition, but I do know that time is money, and doing the utsusemi quest takes way more time that getting 70 gil. So you're wrong on your claim that uts is cheaper than cure.
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The only reason you'd even need utsusemi is if you already did all of that, so claiming it's part of the cost isn't true; especially since you can do the quest on any job at any time. It's a free scroll if you put in a small amount of time, time which will even net you a profit from the quest and other drops you sell. There is zero reason to not have the scroll other than laziness, just like any summoner 20+ without the avatars, minus fenrir and diabolos since there's no mini-primes for those.
 
Have you ever done the level 20 avatars? Those suckers are hard. Burn you Ramuh and your damned Judgement Bolt. Course that is one of the reasons that I won't invite a SMN to my parties to heal. If they took the time to get the avatars I want them to use them. But the general masses think SMN is actually WHM, so what is your point? On one job you want them to spend how ever long it takes to get Utsusemi, but on another job where it is much harder to get the avatars that are way more beneficial to a party, it doesn't matter. You know cause all they have to do is cure.
 
Shaunessy said:
Have you ever done the level 20 avatars? Those suckers are hard. Burn you Ramuh and your damned Judgement Bolt. Course that is one of the reasons that I won't invite a SMN to my parties to heal. If they took the time to get the avatars I want them to use them. But the general masses think SMN is actually WHM, so what is your point? On one job you want them to spend how ever long it takes to get Utsusemi, but on another job where it is much harder to get the avatars that are way more beneficial to a party, it doesn't matter. You know cause all they have to do is cure.
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You completely misread what I said. Because you can solo the avatars at level 20, all smn's are expected to have all avatars then, the same with utsusemi and level 12 ninja's. The smn can help with damage, can MB or SC with their avatars. You might not be the main tank in your parties on ninja, I wasn't always, but that's still zero excuse to not have a basic scroll that is free to quest. I'll give another example, white mages who do not have their level 36 teleport spells. Mea, Dem and Holla are all very simple soloable quests and can be done with low levels of fame, so there is no reason a white mage shouldn't have them.

As for low level summoners, their BP's suck. Aerial Armor at 25 is the best one, and it's useless if you have a ninja tank. The damage from their BP's is very weak and usually isn't worth the mp cost of summoning, keeping them out and using the BP. Once they start getting BP's with some decent strength, then they're more useful but before then healing is the best thing they can do.

You're trying to justify gimping a job for exp and leeching off a party. That's something no sane person is going to allow, so don't even try.
 
Yeah because the teleport quests are easy. Tell me at what level did you get Erase? And I don't mean when my WHM got 32, I mean with what job and the actual level you got the scroll? At what level did you get the teleport scrolls? Again they are not needed items, hell I didn't have erase until I was a level 49 WHM, it never stopped me from getting parties or hindered in any way when I was in them. Who this thread was posted about 1, wasn't the tank 2, didn't adversly effect the party in a negative way and finally didn't even expect to level that high as fast as they did. Sorry that I don't follow the elitists guide to showing off your own superiority, but seriously like people have said many times....There is a disband party, and a kick member button.
 
I had Mea, Dem and Holla at 36, quested them on my 36 white mage which was my highest job at the time. Erase I had much, much, much later, but that's not a quest now is it? Try to stick to relevant things.
 
No..Wait a min.. according to Passions there is that NPC in lower jeuno that you could of gotten erase from. See how this is working into a circle..Actually I have a question for Passions too. Answer when you got the Tele scrolls and erase. I'm interested to know just much bark you are.
 
Whm having erase and Nin having utsusemi are completly different things IMO. Erase wasnt always around. I remember when erase was first introduced. I'm sure there were plenty of 75 whms before erase came along. Quite different for Ninja. When i whm doesnt have erase i can handle that because it is expensive and hard to get. BCNM 40 or buy off the AH are the only ways to get it i think. Utsusemi is VERY different. Not sure about the price of utsusemi because i quested it, like a normal not lazy person. But you can quest it which requires little risk. Or you could buy it which many people have done. One requires a decent amount of gil or a lvl 40+ job, erase last i saw was 600k. The other is questable at lvl 1 and last i saw, which was around the christmas spike, 1.2M. Very different situations for the two spells.
 
Forgot to add this in.

Once again your logic fails.
 
Makelith said:
Whm having erase and Nin having utsusemi are completly different things IMO. Erase wasnt always around. I remember when erase was first introduced. I'm sure there were plenty of 75 whms before erase came along. Quite different for Ninja. When i whm doesnt have erase i can handle that because it is expensive and hard to get. BCNM 40 or buy off the AH are the only ways to get it i think. Utsusemi is VERY different. Not sure about the price of utsusemi because i quested it, like a normal not lazy person. But you can quest it which requires little risk. Or you could buy it which many people have done. One requires a decent amount of gil or a lvl 40+ job, erase last i saw was 600k. The other is questable at lvl 1 and last i saw, which was around the christmas spike, 1.2M. Very different situations for the two spells.
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Erase isn't hard to get. I was in a group that had it drop 5/6 runs in the BCNM 40 the worms turn. which is by far one of the easiest things to do in this game. I would love to see a level 1 job get the utsusemi scroll. Also erase and utsusemi are about the same price on the AC, so your logic fails. Plus since I've been a WHM I remember seeing Erase up there on the AC, actually I think it was the first magic scroll in the game to break the 1 mil mark. Or atleast on this server.
 
Exactly you were 5/6 on erase drops in BCNM 40. But i do believe erase is before lvl 40. No erase was not always around. I know for a fact it wasnt. Ask someone whos been around since before CoP (i think thats when it was introduced). I did it as a lvl 1 job. If i could do it again id happily do it as a lvl one job again.
 
Um...ok I was around "since before CoP" and if it was added after the game was released then it was before April of 04 because that is when I first went to Jeuno. Personally though, I'm not understanding what you are triing to get at. Both scrolls cost alot of money if you buy them on AC. Ok if you did the utsusemi scroll quest as a level one job who helped you, or how many hide potions did you use?
 
I used alot of sneak oils and prism powders but doing the fame made up for it. What im basically tryin to get at is that Erase unless you buy it is pretty hard to get pre 40. Where as utsusemi for nin is very easily done by a lvl 12 or w/e ninja. Basically just sayin why your comparason with utsusemi and erase didnt fit because of hugely different situations.
 
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