RDM Question

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I know this has been posted, but I can't find the topic >o< Sorry ._.

But I plan on leveling RDM after SMN, and I was wondering if SMN is a good subjob for RDM, or should I stick to whm? Thankies
 
*looks off into the distance*

Ohgod, here they come..

You can be a good & viable RDM with SMN sub. People will tell you different. WHM is the best sub, however. BLM is good too, at least for Escape(GTFO) spell.

Yeah. *hides you from the arrows & random shouts of NOOB/LOSER*
 
I actually like subbing SMN with my RDM, when soloing its cool to have a summon AND an NPC with you. Also, the MP boost from SMN sub is awesome.
 
Pre auto refresh, hands down whm and blm will be better. Whm has curagas, -na fixs (critical later), divine seals, and protectra/shellra so you can just do the big one on the tank. Blm gives you elemental seal, some extra spells, tractor, escape, sleepga, most importantly mid game is conserve mp. Whm has the utility, blm has the power and efficiency. Smn comes in as the 3rd choice and leaves you much less flexible for party situations.

Solo, do whatever makes you feel good. If you like half lvl smns, have at it.
 
Rones is right. WHM most overall effectiveness, BLM more direct power and efficiency, SMN makes for quickest recovery with light full party buffs available to a SMN half your RDM level. BRDs fit right in with SMN for subbing, but in both cases you pretty much need to be a 50RDM to have any decent efficiency subbing SMN or BRD.
 
The truth is you can sub DRG to RDM and still be ok invite wise.

But yes, SMN is the third best choice for RDMs (arguable fourth in some situations vs. RDM/BRD.) I can see it being used more by Galka and Elvaan RDMs to close the HP/MP gap, but if you're leveling SMN you've already got WHM leveled and that'd make a more beneficial sub, imo.
 
SMN sub is great if you have to Refresh 5-6 people (ya know, when people make you want to refresh yourself, 3 mages, PLD and DRK...). Cast Haste on yourself, and Refresh away sticking debuffs inbetween recast. Also good for cannon parties since all you do is refresh anyways so you need the MP...of course Bard sub is better then, so w/e. As with any mage job, it's all a situational thing.
 
What the hell kind of acceptable party has 4 mages, a PLD and a DRK? Cannon parties aside, I try to keep the number of MP users to 3, maybe 4 tops. And with 4 I'd really want a RDM and a BRD.
 
I've been in a party that went like this:

PLD, DRK, WHM, BLM, RDM, RNG

That's 5 people to refresh, if you refresh DRKs. Which, I do.
 
RDM/SMN FO LIFE <<

Small group of us really, but I think it's a viable sub, but usually only 50+. I was a RDM/WHM till I hit 50 and have been RDM/SMN ever since. The auto-refresh and MP bonuses are nice (Add that to a Vermy cloak and the refresh in your back pocket... SO MUCH MP O.o), but most of the summons are pretty much useless at half level (Maybe save Garuda and her Blink-ga) you go this route your basically JUST a RDM, instead of say, a healing RDM (RDM/WHM) or a nuker RDM (RDM/BLM). I have WHM leveled just in case we go to places that need extra -na spells (Ex. Labyrinth of Onzozo) but my blm is only 23 :P

With RDM though you can pick any sub you want and still get pt invites, it's one of the only jobs where it's really your own personal preference
 
Summerize what everyone said, and that's your answer.
 
Ive been rdm/smn since I was 32 >< lol worked out well so far though hehe once i got off my ass at 41 when my sub was 10 got it into 30s been good for a while.

yes I tried subbing ninja I couldnt do it I needed my auto refresh 4 mp a tic owns! and with a brd screw whm sub +7 mp a tic ='s me mainhealing great least always my luck
 
CubsWoo said:
The truth is you can sub DRG to RDM and still be ok invite wise.

But yes, SMN is the third best choice for RDMs (arguable fourth in some situations vs. RDM/BRD.) I can see it being used more by Galka and Elvaan RDMs to close the HP/MP gap, but if you're leveling SMN you've already got WHM leveled and that'd make a more beneficial sub, imo.
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actally i been in quite a few party where you have 5 people to refresh

either
whm/rdm/drk/pal/blm/thf
whm/rdm/smn/pal/rng/drk

and others some more efficent then others but unless the drk is a hungry casting fool you useally do not have to cast refresh on them every cycle
 
I say if you can have whm blm and smn all leveled ready to go for a sub. RDM is the mage class that screams versatility. Not only do you provide mp regen, dispel, and almost endless mp from convert, but by using those subs your ready for whateva situation arises. If you have whm and blm in pt I would go /smn if either is missing then i would go with that as my sub.

Trust me I know its hard to lev all those subs. I'm a war and i have to lev mnk thf nin and at 60 sam. war is meant to be a versatile melee, and rdm is meant to be a versatile mage.

Hopefully that helps ya out.
 
Sub bard. its amazing ^^.
but honestly, you can be rdm however YOU want to be. if you wanna do SMN go for it. as long as its a mage job your good for invites.
 
All of them, seriously, there is no best sub for jobs like thf,rdm,war, and a few others.

Certain jobs excel and reach their potienal with a certain sub in a certain situation with a wider variety of subs than other jobs.

Rdm as I said is one of them

Definites:

/whm

You'll definitely want /whm if status cures are a must. Examples include viruna on raptors, stona on cockatrices and a few other things, paralyenz(sp) on tigers and such, silena on tormas, poisona for crawlers if there is a pld tank especially. There are more examples but this gives you an idea.

However if there is a whm main in the party, you may not need /whm even if status cures are wanted. And sometimes even if there is a blm/whm, but if there is a blm/whm, but no whm/, you might want /whm so you can both split the duties.

/blm

If you're in a dungeon area this sub has obvious uses. Escape is wonderful incase blm dies or no other /blms or blms in the party. Conserve mp saves more mp than ballad or auto refresh if the rdm is a very active caster. But a conservative caster but be better off with another sub. Elemental seal is a good tool for helping emergency situation sleep stick.

/brd

My personal favorite. Gain the 4mp a tick /smn provides, AND do it for the other mages as well. Your base stats will should be fine too. You won't have the int of /blm or the mnd of /whm, but you'll have more int than /whm, and more mnd than /blm, so it's a happy medium in that way.

What makes the sub unusual is it provides a way to help the melee in a small but noticable way as well as an extra mp per tick to the whole backrow.

And by noticable, I mean throwing in valor II or something for that extra 30-40ish attk about. Valor II on brd with instrument when valor II can't grow anymore gives about 50 attk for the record. So maybe I'm giving /brd too much credit, but it can still give at least 20-25 extra attk at the worst.

This sub is however useless if there is a bard in the party already pretty much. AOE ballad is the main reason to sub this. And the negative is less max mp, but many rdms don't empty out much anyway. This sub is more for everyone else in the party than it really is for you. But in my opinion, rdm and brds are everyone else type jobs, there for supporting others. I guess it's how you view the classes and your own personal opinions.

/smn

Smn is my least favorite rdm sub of the big 4, but it does provide clear benefits, all of which go to waste on a tarutaru. Someone said this sub is better suited for galka, an that might be true I guess. But even galka rdms don't really run out of mp, I honestly don't see rdms run out of mp...almost ever.

Although blinkga is always cool for a party with SATA(WS) in it, or a party with bouncing hate.
 
And by noticable, I mean throwing in valor II or something for that extra 30-40ish attk about. Valor II on brd with instrument when valor II can't grow anymore gives about 50 attk for the record. So maybe I'm giving /brd too much credit, but it can still give at least 20-25 extra attk at the worst.
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Sadly valors minuet are extremely gimped when subbed. at 75whm/brd I'm lucky to get 8-9 attack out of the best minuet.
 
Can be sead that /blm gives your more MP, Could posibly save more MP with conserv MP then you get with auto refresh. Along with Aspir that can give you upward of 100 MP a cast.

I consider it lucky to find a rdm that can actuly keep refresh on everyone on enfeeble, and do nothing elce. Dam you melee RDMs making most of my partys suk.
 
maybe it cause i've been partying with reletively the same group of people but i have yet to see a rdm/brd ever. :?
 
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