RDM rant

[alanon]

RDM's are Gods, It's fucking true. Seek out videos of RDM's soloing the Shadow Lord, and also their AF3, (Yes Miser murphy) as for gear, big deal if a RDM wants to have gear that leans their many tallents more to one direction.

I just wanted to point out that it is this attitude that ruins most Rdms for me. You see the Rdm/Nin running around and they always saw this. Hell in another post about this, the person actually said that at 74 Rdm/Nin a solo'n gods. This just made me want to scream A - YOU ARE NOT 74 & B- YOU ARE NOT SOLO'N RIGHT NOW.

Again, I dont want to get into which JOB is better, I just want to reiterate that if it comes down to two people that I dont know, a rdm and a brd, I'll take the brd because those people usually play their job better. Anttaru said it himself:

"Either a RDM really sucks ass, or he is average in some cases"

 

[Fellina]

Alanon- that's my point exactly. It's true, that when I'm playing Solo, I can do some totally crazy, fucked up, AWESOME shit; taking on mobs that any other job would turn green at the thought of fighting. BUT YOU DON'T XP SOLO. Oh sure, I suppose you could- if you like getting xp at 1K per hour or less. RDM CAN solo a bunch of stuff- but it takes time, time, time. For the fastest XP, you have to be in a group, and group play of the RDM class is VERY different from solo. Stuff that works for a solo RDM, more often than not is only a detriment to your party when playing in a group.

And all of those who made the point that Refresh is why RDM is wanted in a group- the point I'm trying to make is: THAT DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MAKE YOU A BETTER PERSON THAN THE 5 OTHERS IN THE PARTY. I'm not accusing anyone here- I've never partied with any other RDM's past the Refresh levels personally. But I've heard stories of random RDM's who go all Cobra Commander on XP groups just because they KNOW that MP regeneration is needed for the best possible XP. (Take note- I didn't say it's needed ALWAYS, just that if you want the best xp/hour ratio you can get, you need that MP bar to keep filling up).

RDM's who get all "I'm the one with Refresh so you need to listen to me" are no better than the people who use their Rank, Level, Gil total, or e-peen to try to intimidate people. News flash, folks- it only makes people roll their eyes behind your back, and call you a jackass.

 

[Jezza]

I'm soooo tired of this argument..

But hear that?

It's a sucking noise...as I drag my happy lil ass right into the middle of it.

OOOkay, I'm tired of SHITTY, LAZY rdm ruining it for the rest of us. I get into a party and immediately the melee's are telling me how to play my job. At first, I'd get pissed..until I pt'd with other rdm..or noticed the ls chat going on.....

"Omigod, the rdm in my pt just converted with 150 mp left."

"I'm the whm..I've gotten 3 refreshes in the last hour."

"The rdm just dispelled a spider and started meleeing."

blah blah blah....

So now, I simply politely ask that my party give me..ohh...one battle before they start spamming requests for refresh and dispel. I keep pt members on a cycle, keep my eyes glued to the text box for refresh or haste to wear...I watch for any buffs I need to dispel..I have multiple combinations enfeeble macros depending on mob weaknesses..I recast important enfeebles that wear...I watch for the chance to do the mb if I have a decent spell to go with it..otherwise, I'll try to mb an enfeeble that wore. I handle adds. I back-up cure. I convert. I do it all over again.

Why? CUZ IT'S MY JOB. Is it tedious, especially with crabs who seem to be able to rebuff whenever the hell they feel like it? Yup. I feel like I'm spamming dispel against those things -- but that's probably partly cuz Paralyze wore so -- gotta recast that and chain..oh, you get the idea.

I'm not chatty when I'm in a pt..why? cuz I'm BUSY. What do I hate? Spamming Jump, Boost..blah blah blah...What else? I don't tell melee classes how to do their jobs. Ever. Why is it that EVERYONE has an opinion on RDM? Oh yeah, cuz half of us are terrible.

As for the melee thing - I'm tired of talking about it. Do I do it? Sometimes. But ya'd better bet my enfeeble skill is capped within a thousand or so exp points..and my sword rarely is. Skill up pt anyone?

Finally - brd. I love having a brd in my pt. Mad chains. It's awesome. Takes one simple convo about who's handling add and mob buffs..and away we go. Why ppl seem insistent on comparing the apples and oranges I'll never know. Both support jobs, similar spells..but no different than comparing the mage classes. One over the other? Bah. Give me both anyday.

Heh, and since I'm entirely to busy being a good rdm..and too lazy to edit my sig..

Jezza
56rdm/30blm/21nin/13war/8thf

CHEERZ!

 

[Pascal]

I go back to my originally point. If what you are doing is not making the party as a whole more effective then you shouldn’t be doing it.

Every ability a Red Mage has can be used to make a party more effective, but only when they are used correctly.

 

[alanon]

Re: I'm soooo tired of this argument..

But hear that?

It's a sucking noise...as I drag my happy lil ass right into the middle of it.

OOOkay, I'm tired of SHITTY, LAZY rdm ruining it for the rest of us. I get into a party and immediately the melee's are telling me how to play my job. At first, I'd get pissed..until I pt'd with other rdm..or noticed the ls chat going on.....

"Omigod, the rdm in my pt just converted with 150 mp left."

"I'm the whm..I've gotten 3 refreshes in the last hour."

"The rdm just dispelled a spider and started meleeing."

blah blah blah....

So now, I simply politely ask that my party give me..ohh...one battle before they start spamming requests for refresh and dispel. I keep pt members on a cycle, keep my eyes glued to the text box for refresh or haste to wear...I watch for any buffs I need to dispel..I have multiple combinations enfeeble macros depending on mob weaknesses..I recast important enfeebles that wear...I watch for the chance to do the mb if I have a decent spell to go with it..otherwise, I'll try to mb an enfeeble that wore. I handle adds. I back-up cure. I convert. I do it all over again.

Why? CUZ IT'S MY JOB. Is it tedious, especially with crabs who seem to be able to rebuff whenever the hell they feel like it? Yup. I feel like I'm spamming dispel against those things -- but that's probably partly cuz Paralyze wore so -- gotta recast that and chain..oh, you get the idea.

I'm not chatty when I'm in a pt..why? cuz I'm BUSY. What do I hate? Spamming Jump, Boost..blah blah blah...What else? I don't tell melee classes how to do their jobs. Ever. Why is it that EVERYONE has an opinion on RDM? Oh yeah, cuz half of us are terrible.

As for the melee thing - I'm tired of talking about it. Do I do it? Sometimes. But ya'd better bet my enfeeble skill is capped within a thousand or so exp points..and my sword rarely is. Skill up pt anyone?

Finally - brd. I love having a brd in my pt. Mad chains. It's awesome. Takes one simple convo about who's handling add and mob buffs..and away we go. Why ppl seem insistent on comparing the apples and oranges I'll never know. Both support jobs, similar spells..but no different than comparing the mage classes. One over the other? Bah. Give me both anyday.

Heh, and since I'm entirely to busy being a good rdm..and too lazy to edit my sig..

Jezza
56rdm/30blm/21nin/13war/8thf

CHEERZ!

You and Fellina do your job a good service. If more Rdms approached the Job like you and a few others (a Rdm named Vatre off the top of my head) then Rdms would truely be a site to behold.

 

[Jezza]

Re: I'm soooo tired of this argument..

You and Fellina do your job a good service. If more Rdms approached the Job like you and a few others (a Rdm named Vatre off the top of my head) then Rdms would truely be a site to behold.

Thank ya very much^^ Hmm...maybe it's time for a best/worst list of rdm....or any other job for that matter...for pt-forming reference...

 

[Pascal]

Re: I'm soooo tired of this argument..

Thank ya very much^^ Hmm...maybe it's time for a best/worst list of rdm....or any other job for that matter...for pt-forming reference...

I have seen other forums do that, and it never works out the way it should. Everyone and anyone has an opinion of how RDM should be played (i.e. we should refresh only, and that is it). As well people like to blame other people when things go wrong in a party. Nine times out of ten, when something goes wrong it is the party’s fault as a whole, not just one person. Unfortunately people cannot seem to admit to them selves they could have screwed up and even when one person is at fault, it may or may not have been because they where a bad player. We all make mistakes some times.

 

[Jezza]

Re: I'm soooo tired of this argument..

...Everyone and anyone has an opinion of how RDM should be played (i.e. we should refresh only, and that is it). As well people like to blame other people when things go wrong in a party....

I can very honestly say I have never been in a pt where they would have been only happy with me playing refresh pimp.

But it's required. We should do it. Often. All the time. Along with everything else we're supposed to do. I really cannot understand why, on earth, a rdm wouldn't keep a refresh cycle up.

Someone would have yelled for dispel...or Dia II...or, "why didn't you throw a cure at the tank?"

Noo..it's true - we all have our own style. But....if you're pt is consistently (actually, constantly) refreshed including the drk when below 100-ish ..you're mobs are dispelled and enfeebled...and you convert when you're the only one low on mana and the pt is ready to chain...you contribute to the mb when effective...you have an ele staff or two - AND a sword er daggar...then whatever else you do is your business. If you let any duty..ANY duty slide (okay there are exceptions, if you're dealing with an ADD it's fair to miss a haste...when the mob is buffing like crazy ya may be late on a refresh..no one is perfect)...

YOU SUCK.

Really..you do..you are just not doing your job.

.

End of story.

If I'm with a pld..and they don't need refresh cuz they never use magic..and the person I'm continually throwing a cure on is the whm....

THEY SUCK.

Why? Cuz they're job is to do everything they can to keep hate. Again, yes there are exceptions. Everyone makes mistakes.

But..again..

If we're losing exp and chains because: A) I haven't enfeebled (now the mob does/takes less damage = more pt damage = wasted mp)...B) I'm not keeping ppl refreshed, now we have downtime...C) I didn't dispel (see A)...

THEN I SUCK.

Not to put down my people..but I really do hear too much about rdm not doing the basics of their job. It's not rocket science people. Melee allyou want, nuke all you want - but you'd better be doing everything else you're supposed to do - hell, you're obligated to do - to help the ppl that are helping you gain exp.

And if you need HELP setting macros..figuring out your battle routine..ask someone. Please. Or go do something else. Please.

Oh, and no, Pascal, this isn't directed at you -- you may be a perfectly fine rdm for all I know. I'm just sick of how many rdm...

SUCK

 

[Pascal]

Re: I'm soooo tired of this argument..

...Everyone and anyone has an opinion of how RDM should be played (i.e. we should refresh only, and that is it). As well people like to blame other people when things go wrong in a party....

I can very honestly say I have never been in a pt where they would have been only happy with me playing refresh pimp.

It has never happened to me, but that is because I don’t have refresh yet, but I have seen it happen to other high level RDMs. I also have seen it posted many time in other forums.

But it's required. We should do it. Often. All the time. Along with everything else we're supposed to do. I really cannot understand why, on earth, a rdm wouldn't keep a refresh cycle up.

I’m not sure how I’m going to handle refresh yet, since I don’t have it. I have seen other RDM uses a Regen Cycle, but I honestly see that as a waste of MP. My currently though is to hand refresh in the same manner that I handle regen, and use it when it is necessary. But until I get the spell and can actually work it into my system, I’m not really sure how I will handle it.

One of the downsides of refresh is it causes MP waste. At my current level with only normally pies, without Refresh, Ballad, Juices, and not being a Taru. I generally have enough MP to hit Chain 4 to 5 with No problems and with 15 to 20 MP to spare. I find it shocking how much MP other mages waste. What taught me how to manage my MP like this, it is having a puller that pulls non-stop no matter what your MP level is, you learn very fast. I have had them pull when I only had 40 MP, and I still manage to keep up with my Job, I love Clear Mind.

Not to put down my people..but I really do hear too much about rdm not doing the basics of their job. It's not rocket science people. Melee allyou want, nuke all you want - but you'd better be doing everything else you're supposed to do - hell, you're obligated to do - to help the ppl that are helping you gain exp.

I agree we all can have our own play style as long as the outcomes are the same, and that is keeping the party effective.

Oh, and no, Pascal, this isn't directed at you -- you may be a perfectly fine rdm for all I know.

No offence taken. I am very open to anyone who has ever partied with me for any length of time to give me suggestion on how I can help them do their job better. (Take note of how that is phrased)

 

[chpal]

oh man. ; ; reading this makes me feel like such a bad RDM. I try as hard as I can to keep up with everything I need to do, but sometimes I miis a Refresh becuase the THF or MNK is bithcing at me to HAste them, or I didnt notice I needed Dispel tilll the PT starts yelling at me. I get serioulsy pissed off when the Meeles are yelling at me to fucking haste or regen them. HOLD ONE SECOND! ill get to it. Dispel, refesh and debuffs are WAY more important to me in a battle. So please to all the DRK, MNK, THF and anyone else who wants HASTE: HOLD ON!!!! ILL GET TO IT! JUST GIVE ME A FEW SECONDS TO CAST THE STUFF THAT MATTERS!@ PLEASE >< yelling at me will NOT help.

 

[alanon]

Dont take it personally chpal. I think some things may get construed wrong in this game. Sure sometimes they may be yelling at you, but I bet a lot of times the person is just on the other end thinking "my refresh wore off, Id better let the Rdm know". It is in text, I just think it gets misconstrued. It was also pointed out by Jezza I believe that a lot of people have played with bad Rdms, and are just used to have to constantly reminding the Rdm. Also it is something that takes time. You guys dont get a lot of you job defining abilities till later than other do. I have noticed as the levels go on, that the Rdms get the "cycle" down more consistantly.

 

[Jezza]

/comfort

Yeah, there are those days..but no, it doens't make you bad..heh..in fact, the fact that you are aware of all you need to do, can quickly prioritize that in your head shows you're not bad. Good rdm also know when to ignore others and focus on getting all those spells off in some sort of order that doesn't mess up your cycle too much. And, what Al said is very true..members of my ls swear that rdm don't get the hang of the job until about lvl 50. And as we all know..some not even then.

I'm not going to argue the necessity of the refresh/haste cycle...and I won't even begin to compare regen and refresh. I'm tempted to talk about convert..the delay v. casting time v. the pt that has whm, blm, pld, drk...

But, Pascal, I would be interested in hearing from you on this topic again at about level 55.

btw..I'm Elvaan..heh. I live conserve mp^^

 

[Pascal]

oh man. ; ; reading this makes me feel like such a bad RDM. I try as hard as I can to keep up with everything I need to do, but sometimes I miis a Refresh becuase the THF or MNK is bithcing at me to HAste them, or I didnt notice I needed Dispel tilll the PT starts yelling at me. I get serioulsy pissed off when the Meeles are yelling at me to fucking haste or regen them. HOLD ONE SECOND! ill get to it. Dispel, refesh and debuffs are WAY more important to me in a battle. So please to all the DRK, MNK, THF and anyone else who wants HASTE: HOLD ON!!!! ILL GET TO IT! JUST GIVE ME A FEW SECONDS TO CAST THE STUFF THAT MATTERS!@ PLEASE >< yelling at me will NOT help.

Here is a good example of my play style. Haste is most important on the tank. The tanks job is to constantly be generating hate, so that his hate pool remains higher than everyone else’s. This is not an easy task at all. No matter which type of tank they are, there damage output is a method of generating hate, thus they need to generate as much as possible.

A Damager Dealer should only be hasted, if the tank is able to hold solid hate with out haste. Meaning, he can naturally stay above everyone else. If your haste every gets out of balance, you are making your party less effective because you are making it easier on the Damager Dealers to take hate away from the tank, which has a chain effect of making everything else less effective. This is very important with Paladins. Thief should never be though of as a Damager Dealer. Their primary function in the party is hate control. Meaning SATA and putting additional hate on the Tank (Once they can SATA), there secondary function is damage over time. Since Thief has a very low hate modifier, hasting them will still almost never allow them to pull hate, and it allows them to build TP faster so they can link a Weapon Skill with their SATA. In most cases Monk and Damage Dealing Ninjas, you almost never want to haste, because they hit so often and with enough force that hasting them causes mass hate generation. If by chance you do have a tank that can handle the extra hate they generate, then and only then should they be hasted.

Spells which allow a Damage Dealer to land a hit more often and with more Damage, is far more important than allowing them to swing more often.

 

[Anttaru]

Take your refresh cycle and shove it up your ass 8) . Ballad hits everyone at the same time. And if a bard knows his cast time, he will recast ballad right before it wears off. And ballad costs 0 MP. Also, learn how to spell Ballad, B-A-L-L-A-D. No R in there. Glad you like music.

The Only difference is, for BRD everyone loses their refresh at the same time, where as for RDM one person at a time has refresh wear off, meaning refresh is always up and running.
And as for Ballad/Ballard, i'll tell you from now, i'm a horrible speller, i'm a digital animator/3D modeler/lighter. So my brain is preatty loaded. And i am not an editor. Ok ?

Don't say that finale is less reliable than dispel. The cast time is faster, the range with a harp is equal, and it does not miss.

If you had to remove 3 enemy buffs it would take 1 minute 12 seconds for BRD to do so. You say it's better than nothing, i agree, but not better than Dispel, understand ?

Saying that bard is silly for running around is a weak argument to support RDM. It's how the job is done, and you make it sound like it's a problem. Don't be lazy, positioning is important. Ask any Post-30 THF if you don't believe me.

I needn't even look back to assure you, i did not once mention that BRD is silly in any way, and this weak argument you mention surly isn't coming form me, now it is ?
As for the THF part, i'm ahead of you in this matter, so there is no need for me to ask any thf's about positioning. i've also played trick dummy for them, on Darter flies in Boyhada tree at that. Zarichon was the NIN tank and and Sixx was the THF. I invite you to ask them aout me -_-

Don't bring up Phalanx. Please. Don't bring up stoneskin or blink, because bards get those, too. At any rate, you shouldn't be pulling hate as a support class. Ever. I can DS curaga and not pull hate. So can you, or you're a gimp RDM.

I will bring up Phalanx cause it backs up RDM when other defences are down. i will also mention RDM's have a higher Enhancing cap too. Meaning their Blink and Stoneskin will take abuse better.

Decreasing the monster's evasion =/= increasing a Ninja's evasion. Ask any ninja, they appreciate every single saved shihei.

I don't doubt it, so no need for me to ask an Ninja. But the Mob going down faster also saves Utsusemi's, and makes for a nice prouduction cycle, along side saving the healers MP.

Bard means +3 MP/tick, unique enfeebles, and if you want to talk about healing power, there is a song called Paeon. With a RDM, there is no substantial melee attack or accuracy boost, or ranged accuracy boost. There are no stat boosts in the form of etude either. Sleep is more reliable, and MP management is not as dire.

RDM/BRD has more to offer to a party than BRD/RDM.
Refresh is also +3 per tick, you odda know that, so why bring up what bard means for everyones MP at this point ?
Gravity - i'm not going to say this is the best enfeeble in the game. But it does 2 things. Slows the enemy's movement speed,(which puts the mages in a better situation) and it lowers the enemy's evasion, this alone does alot for the party.

I'm not dismissing RDM as a job, I'm dismissing it as the be-all-end-all of late-game partying.

I'm glad to hear you are not dismissing RDM as a job. 1 job cannot be dismissed by another, in terms of capabilities. BRD can make a party more accurate, so can RDM. BRD makes then stronger, RDM can make them faster. BRD is a support class, RDM is a support class/space filler. Now don't be going around trying to dismiss jobs now. It makes you look like a donkey.

 

[Anttaru]

Take your refresh cycle and shove it up your ass 8) . Ballad hits everyone at the same time. And if a bard knows his cast time, he will recast ballad right before it wears off. And ballad costs 0 MP. Also, learn how to spell Ballad, B-A-L-L-A-D. No R in there. Glad you like music.

The Only difference is, for BRD everyone loses their refresh at the same time, where as for RDM one person at a time has refresh wear off, meaning refresh is always up and running.
And as for Ballad/Ballard, i'll tell you from now, i'm a horrible speller, i'm a digital animator/3D modeler/lighter. So my brain is preatty loaded. And i am not an editor. Ok ?

Don't say that finale is less reliable than dispel. The cast time is faster, the range with a harp is equal, and it does not miss.

If you had to remove 3 enemy buffs it would take 1 minute 12 seconds for BRD to do so. You say it's better than nothing, i agree, but not better than Dispel, understand ?

Saying that bard is silly for running around is a weak argument to support RDM. It's how the job is done, and you make it sound like it's a problem. Don't be lazy, positioning is important. Ask any Post-30 THF if you don't believe me.

I needn't even look back to assure you, i did not once mention that BRD is silly in any way, and this weak argument you mention surly isn't coming form me, now it is ?
As for the THF part, i'm ahead of you in this matter, so there is no need for me to ask any thf's about positioning. i've also played trick dummy for them, on Darter flies in Boyhada tree at that. Zarichon was the NIN tank and and Sixx was the THF. I invite you to ask them aout me -_-

Don't bring up Phalanx. Please. Don't bring up stoneskin or blink, because bards get those, too. At any rate, you shouldn't be pulling hate as a support class. Ever. I can DS curaga and not pull hate. So can you, or you're a gimp RDM.

I will bring up Phalanx cause it backs up RDM when other defences are down. i will also mention RDM's have a higher Enhancing cap too. Meaning their Blink and Stoneskin will take abuse better.

Decreasing the monster's evasion =/= increasing a Ninja's evasion. Ask any ninja, they appreciate every single saved shihei.

I don't doubt it, so no need for me to ask an Ninja. But the Mob going down faster also saves Utsusemi's, and makes for a nice prouduction cycle, along side saving the healers MP.

Bard means +3 MP/tick, unique enfeebles, and if you want to talk about healing power, there is a song called Paeon. With a RDM, there is no substantial melee attack or accuracy boost, or ranged accuracy boost. There are no stat boosts in the form of etude either. Sleep is more reliable, and MP management is not as dire.

RDM/BRD has more to offer to a party than BRD/RDM.
Refresh is also +3 per tick, you odda know that, so why bring up what bard means for everyones MP at this point ?
Gravity - i'm not going to say this is the best enfeeble in the game. But it does 2 things. Slows the enemy's movement speed,(which puts the mages in a better situation) and it lowers the enemy's evasion, this alone does alot for the party.

I'm not dismissing RDM as a job, I'm dismissing it as the be-all-end-all of late-game partying.

I'm glad to hear you are not dismissing RDM as a job. 1 job cannot be dismissed by another, in terms of capabilities. BRD can make a party more accurate, so can RDM. BRD makes then stronger, RDM can make them faster. BRD is a support class, RDM is a support class/space filler. Now don't be going around trying to dismiss jobs now. It makes you look like a donkey.

 

[Anttaru]

Opps

 

[Anttaru]

RDM's are Gods, It's fucking true. Seek out videos of RDM's soloing the Shadow Lord, and also their AF3, (Yes Miser murphy) as for gear, big deal if a RDM wants to have gear that leans their many tallents more to one direction.

I just wanted to point out that it is this attitude that ruins most Rdms for me. You see the Rdm/Nin running around and they always saw this. Hell in another post about this, the person actually said that at 74 Rdm/Nin a solo'n gods. This just made me want to scream A - YOU ARE NOT 74 & B- YOU ARE NOT SOLO'N RIGHT NOW.

This attitude ? That was my response to a comparison of BRD and RDM, I am not a RDM/NIN, yes i am a proud RDM, but i do not go around party to party excersizing disobeadiance, as to what should be done. In parties i believe in 6 of us as 1 force. not me me me, cause it's so not. Some see you point out something, other see you attacking me, for what i do't understand. You think i'm some asshole selfish RDM... Ha steriotype, i have little time to deal with, so spread your roumors about me now, even tho you know absolutly nothing about me stranger.

Again, I dont want to get into which JOB is better, I just want to reiterate that if it comes down to two people that I dont know, a rdm and a brd, I'll take the brd because those people usually play their job better. Anttaru said it himself:

"Either a RDM really sucks ass, or he is average in some cases"

Taking a peices of my own quotes and leaving out peices. It's all i can exspect from one like you Alanon. Yes BRD's usualy do better, cause there are alot of RDM's that suck ass so bad, they give the whole lot of us a bad name. Take this post for instance. I've been taken for a "me me me RDM" before i even performed with anyone here. All i'm saying is BRD does not make RDM Obosolete in higher levels. It's strictly ignorance towards the good RDMs and i disaprove of it.

I'm not even waiting to hear what makes BRD a better job class, cause there isn't one. And for the sake of my own reputation, i had better listen out for it, or else i'll be consumed by haters.

 

[Jezza]

OOOkay..apples n oranges..very different, still fruit, but different. Bard isn't some uber version of the rdm any more than whm is a enhanced class rdm. See how silly that sounds?

Now, if you're going for that job that can refresh and enfeeble, and you have to pick one or the other...

I'd pick brd too.

Why? Because RDM post-42 is BORING AS HELL, if, you're good at it. I stare at the screen...constantly. I don't get to rest between battles..sometimes I barely have time to get a sip of beer. AND I HATE WARM BEER!

But I won't miss a spell..why?

Because all of the shitty rdm out there have made it so those of us who understand the job have to work much harder. It's like a personal crusade to prove we're useful and we don't all suck.

And to those of you that fit the definition of lazy, bad, or cocky rdm?

THANK YOU for making me look sooooo good 8)

 

[Songi_]

The running around thing was directed at someone else, or maybe I'm mixing conversations and I read that elsewhere. Sorry.

I will not hear any argument suggesting that bard makes a decent subjob. Ever.

Don't use haste as a support to your argument. Bards have march, and the reason we don't use it is because we have better spells.

Yeah, you have gravity. We have madrigal. All you do by saying that you have gravity is prove my point, which is that both jobs have a lot of overlap.

You didn't deny that RDM shouldn't pull hate. That's good. All you did was use circular logic to claim that phalanx helps you in battle. Phalanx is an awesome solo tool, but it's not useful in a party situation.

Yeah, everyone's ballad wears off at the same time, but everyone's is up again in 6 seconds, so you missed 2 or ticks. Big deal. You miss two or three with refresh also. Don't say that bard songs take 8 seconds to cast because the effect takes place at 80%. Besides, with fast cast, it's even faster (no I'm not advocating RDM as a sub, but it happens).

Anyway, fellina said it best when comparing BRD to RDM is like comparing apples to oranges. Both are support classes. A support class is needed end game. RDM is not needed end game. BRD is not needed end game. One is.

Ok, I'm done with you.

Pascal: Everyone has their own playing style of RDM, and as long as the basics of the job are getting done, you can and should have your own playing style. So in short, I agree with you .

Chpal: Last night in my party, the tank was constantly spamming "poisona please" 2 seconds after he got poisoned. I finally got sick of it and said "Jesus Christ give me a second to get the spell off! lol" So he apologized, and I told him no big deal, and he stopped. Messages can be taken the wrong way, just tell people "I KNOW," and then they usually realize they're being annoying, and stop.

 

[alanon]

RDM's are Gods, It's fucking true. Seek out videos of RDM's soloing the Shadow Lord, and also their AF3, (Yes Miser murphy) as for gear, big deal if a RDM wants to have gear that leans their many tallents more to one direction.

I just wanted to point out that it is this attitude that ruins most Rdms for me. You see the Rdm/Nin running around and they always saw this. Hell in another post about this, the person actually said that at 74 Rdm/Nin a solo'n gods. This just made me want to scream A - YOU ARE NOT 74 & B- YOU ARE NOT SOLO'N RIGHT NOW.

This attitude ? That was my response to a comparison of BRD and RDM, I am not a RDM/NIN, yes i am a proud RDM, but i do not go around party to party excersizing disobeadiance, as to what should be done. In parties i believe in 6 of us as 1 force. not me me me, cause it's so not. Some see you point out something, other see you attacking me, for what i do't understand. You think i'm some asshole selfish RDM... Ha steriotype, i have little time to deal with, so spread your roumors about me now, even tho you know absolutly nothing about me stranger.

Again, I dont want to get into which JOB is better, I just want to reiterate that if it comes down to two people that I dont know, a rdm and a brd, I'll take the brd because those people usually play their job better. Anttaru said it himself:

"Either a RDM really sucks ass, or he is average in some cases"

Taking a peices of my own quotes and leaving out peices. It's all i can exspect from one like you Alanon. Yes BRD's usualy do better, cause there are alot of RDM's that suck ass so bad, they give the whole lot of us a bad name. Take this post for instance. I've been taken for a "me me me RDM" before i even performed with anyone here. All i'm saying is BRD does not make RDM Obosolete in higher levels. It's strictly ignorance towards the good RDMs and i disaprove of it.

I'm not even waiting to hear what makes BRD a better job class, cause there isn't one. And for the sake of my own reputation, i had better listen out for it, or else i'll be consumed by haters.

All you can expect from me? What in the fuck does that mean? You ask what "attitude"? Well read what you quoted! You say how Rdm are better because the are "gods" because they can "Solo shadow Lord". I will saw it once again, you are in a P-A-R-T-Y you are not playing SOLO so I could really give a shit less if you can solo shadow lord! CONGRADUFUCKINGLATIONS!!

Ill type it once again, I dont mind the JOB of rdm, it's some of the PEOPLE that PLAY the JOB AWEFULLY that ruin it for good Rdm's. And I used this quote from you:
"Either a RDM really sucks ass, or he is average in some cases"
because I THOUGHT you understood. :roll:

PS- I quoted the WHOLE godaweful thing, just for you! Didnt want you to get lost, sorry if I ruined your expectations of me.