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ziphor

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Ok, i got accepted to some colleges and w/e, second semester looks like a breeze, i think i can finally hit FFXI again.

Question is, with all these bannings and shit, is windower still ok to use as long as you don't flaunt that you use it? and i'm not looking for answers like "READ THE TOS, IT'S A 3rd PARTY PROG!" - i know it is, but what's the likelihood that they will ban for it?
 
If you're only using windower, you're fine.
 
I haven't been banhammered yet.

I have not been using Windower for a year and a half or so, I have not been using Windower macros for a year, and I have not been using TParty for approximately a year. I still do not use Windower and all of these features, even as recently as last night. Dig?
 
Despite what a number of the tightwads around might say, no they cannot detect windower.
 
After having my character perma banned, I decided to get an Xbox360. Just to be safe, deleted FF from my computer.

Edit: You don't need to necessarily buy a 360, those were my own precautions.
 
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they can detect windower, they do detect it. its a fact. They cannot legally detect it so they never wil say anything about you using itl, its a fact that people dont wanna believe. Gotta stop kidding yourselves, they will change their tos to allow this soon. its a popular misconception, but in my time with hacks and testing in a group, They do detect it. They cannot say they are detecting it currently, but that can change and i suspect it will with the new windower coming.
 
Chasym said:
they can detect windower, they do detect it. its a fact. They cannot legally detect it so they never wil say anything about you using itl, its a fact that people dont wanna believe. Gotta stop kidding yourselves, they will change their tos to allow this soon. its a popular misconception, but in my time with hacks and testing in a group, They do detect it. They cannot say they are detecting it currently, but that can change and i suspect it will with the new windower coming.
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Take your bullshit elsewhere.

Why aren't you banned from here yet?
 
It's not bs. You can detect if someone is using windower, but:
1) Current TOS doesn't allow the method to detect
2) They don't really check you unless you're doing some weird stuff to begin with.
 
Acks said:
It's not bs. You can detect if someone is using windower, but:
1) Current TOS doesn't allow the method to detect
2) They don't really check you unless you're doing some weird stuff to begin with.
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No shit, I'm not saying it isn't possible to detect it, but the legal actions that would be taken should someone who only uses windower(and isn't a retard talking about it in-game) gets banned outweighs the act of doing so under their current agreement.

If anyone was truly banned for using "just windower," they're entitled to a wheelbarrow full of cash from illegal actions by SE.

Let me make it clearer for you why the piece of crap posting horseshit needs to gtfo with his "they detect it now" preach

but in my time with hacks and testing in a group
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Oh gee, a group of people doing suspicious activity, windower has to be the reason they're getting flagged and banned, right? Yeah.. sure.
 
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if you think its bullshit thats your own loss. im not tryin to make you believe anything, but when i was into the behind the scenes ffxi stuff we found stuff like this.
it would be dumb to think they cannot detect something that hooks right into the ffxi process.
im not banned cause i havent broke any rules here.
but hey, your stance on what goes on with windower is your own.
 
They can, Skaw, they can. Just a hint for you. If windower changes a bit what you see on the screen, they can read image back and compare with "original".

Why they do nothing about windower it is another question.
 
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Even if they could, they are not going to ban 25-50% of the server population when those 25-50% are not doing any negative harm to the game. Doing so would only piss of a huge customer base and could turn them off from future SE products. Those who are left would probably have lost a lot of friends and would probably move onto another game, after all this one is getting old anyways.
 
Skaw said:
No shit, I'm not saying it isn't possible to detect it, but the legal actions that would be taken should someone who only uses windower(and isn't a retard talking about it in-game) gets banned outweighs the act of doing so under their current agreement.

If anyone was truly banned for using "just windower," they're entitled to a wheelbarrow full of cash from illegal actions by SE.

Let me make it clearer for you why the piece of crap posting horseshit needs to gtfo with his "they detect it now" preach



Oh gee, a group of people doing suspicious activity, windower has to be the reason they're getting flagged and banned.
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thats what i just said....
I said they can and do detect it but its illegal so they cant say they are detecting your use of windwer...thats exactly what i said. why is my statement of the same thing BS and his statement of the same thing not...*confused*
i never said they ban people specifically for windower, But it has happened to people who only use windower. Personal anti hack friends of mine banned on windower lite because of the speed bursts. If they banned you for windower they dont have to say it, they just gotta say third party programs, which is what they do anyway, and you cant do jack about it.
 
Klop_ said:
They can, Skaw, they can. Just a hint for you. If windower changes a bit what you see on the screen, they can read image back and compare with "orginal".

Why they do not anything about windower it is another question.
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Uhh, they dont know what your screen looks like. They know what your chatlog says, and thats it. Thats why people with alternate fonts and shit dont get banned.
 
Actually, yeah. You can do something about it. Because you know whats run on your PC, and the only way they can know, if it isn't acting with the game programming, is by scanning your processes. They'd most likely keep a record of why your account was banned, with a specific reason for their own reference. "You can't do jack about it" is just a farce use by those who actually did run malicious items, who actually have no chance of proving innocence.
 
well id still find it hard for anything to be done if they dont say just windower, if they say third party programs they got you there, cause thats what you were using even if they dont use the name of the program. thats against ToS and puts them in the right.
it will most likley change when the malicious windower is introduced and they have more of a threat from a windower and need to openly detect it.
 
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SEI makes no assurances, representations or warranties whatsoever about the accuracy, currency or continuing availability of this Player Data at any time and reserves its right, at any time and from time to time, without notice to you, to delete all or any part of your Player Data. SEI shall have no liability to you or to any third party for any such deletion.
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We agree to this everytime we login.
 
Courtney said:
We agree to this everytime we login.
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And PlayOnline/SE agrees to international privacy laws in regards to scanning whats on your PC. Otherwise they wouldn't be up and running under their current ToS. An ambiguous reason as to why you're banned doesn't excuse them for breaking them, nor does it mean you're SOL to pursue legal action for whats obviously a violation of them.
 
So, you agree that they can terminate your account without reason, and you agree to take no action if they do.

...and then you think you can get your account back by legal action?
 
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