Rifle Owners:

That's funny, I don't remember mentioning the Second Amendment...

I believe I was just giving a (very) brief comparison between the history of gun use in the US and in Australia - That is, refering to the manner in which it has been embedded into the culture (which is suprisingly what raesvelg was referring to).

Do not mistake my vague comparison for historical data.

The second amendment is part of U.S. gun history. The fact you didn't mention only suggests it didn't cross your mind it was a factor for the U.S. attitude on gun control.
Parish the thought i would take your "we've never clutched rifles for fear that King George may pay a visit" as historical accurate.
 
I haven't seen any widespread movement in Washington D.C. to repeal the Second Amendment, so I don't think that statement holds water.

I grew up in the hunting/fur industry, which means I've been around guns all my life. Hell, most schools here in West Virginia have given up on having any kind of real attendance during the first week of deer season.

I don't have a problem with gun ownership per se, but I certainly don't think every gun needs to be legal.

Though not widespread hali there have been mentions of it from certain congress men and women before. and i have also grown up around the hunting and fishing communities myself down on the bayous of south louisiana and one of my friends dad while growing up was elected to the house of representatives for louisiana so ive heard the ins and outs of this before
 
The second amendment is part of U.S. gun history. The fact you didn't mention only suggests it didn't cross your mind it was a factor for the U.S. attitude on gun control.
Parish the thought i would take your "we've never clutched rifles for fear that King George may pay a visit" as historical accurate.

Ah, I see my King George quip struck a nerve.

I assure you, it did cross my mind.

But please, perish the thought that I would not mention every single factor influencing the cultural influence of guns in America, within two lines.

I apologise for besmirching your proud history so, in what was only meant to be an illustrative sentence. Please, do not bother to contest the actual crux of my post, which was to provide information contradicting what was said about gun crime rates in Australia - feel free to jab at peripheral lines with your immense historical knowledge.
 
Ah, I see my King George quip struck a nerve.

I assure you, it did cross my mind.

But please, perish the thought that I would not mention every single factor influencing the cultural influence of guns in America, within two lines.

I apologise for besmirching your proud history so, in what was only meant to be an illustrative sentence. Please, do not bother to contest the actual crux of my post, which was to provide information contradicting what was said about gun crime rates in Australia - feel free to jab at peripheral lines with your immense historical knowledge.

Well if you insist I could just generalize and say that Australia probably has problems with gun control because you're country started out as a penal colony. Thus suggesting that your countries' problems are a result of a lineage from criminals.
See what I did there, a total disregard for your history without an attempt to research before I wrote anything. Now if what you said was funny I probably would have ignored it but what can I say? I'm an asshole.
So now that we've taken our jabs at one another, i think we're done here.
 
And that would have been a very plausible argument, had the data supported it. I, in the very least, found my comment funny. Guess it's just a difference in humour.

We are most definitely done.
 
IDK what a "bouncing bettie" is, but if my imagination is correct it sounds hot, gimme 2 of 'em.

And common, who doenst like a Kitty Cannon? Isnt that something from "Lazer Cats" on SNL?
A Bouncing Betty is a land mine, imagine a tin can full of BB's that pops up to about waist height and explodes. It's a slow, painful death unless you're lucky enough to take one to the head.

Kitten Cannon is http://www.burststudio.com/kitten.html
 
Elliot, read what I wrote more carefully. I never said that the rate of gun crime went up, I said that the HOMICIDE rate went up, and if you go back and review the statistics at the relevant period, it did.

People are going to kill each other, guns just make it easier. Much like that incident in Japan a few years back, in which a man with I think a butcher knife managed to rack up a higher body count than most of the gun rampages you see in the US.

Ultimately, there are two types of societies that see low rates of gun crime. Ones in which nobody has a gun, and ones in which EVERYONE has a gun, and carries it with them. The ones like the US, in which there are lots of guns but nobody usually has one on them, tend to see high rates of gun crime because, well, the few people who DO carry guns can generally assume that their victims are unarmed.

The problem is that what worked to reduce gun crime in Australia, ie the rounding up and destruction of all multi-shot firearms, wouldn't work in the US. First, we have too many, and second, a significant portion of those are held by a criminal element, who wouldn't want to give them up. That and the Second Amendment thing that's honestly overused by the average gun nut.

As for the rationale behind the 2nd Amendment, that remains a topic of some debate. One interpretation, and honest given the way the rest of the document is written I suspect it's correct, is that it has very little to do with a fear of the British or foreign invaders coming back, and a great deal to do with a fear that at some point the federal government might slip into tyranny.
 
Elliot, read what I wrote more carefully. I never said that the rate of gun crime went up, I said that the HOMICIDE rate went up, and if you go back and review the statistics at the relevant period, it did.

Hmmm, good point. As far as I know overall homocide has also decreased but I say this completely uncited. I'll have to see if I can dig up the relevant data.

The problem is that what worked to reduce gun crime in Australia, ie the rounding up and destruction of all multi-shot firearms, wouldn't work in the US. First, we have too many, and second, a significant portion of those are held by a criminal element, who wouldn't want to give them up. That and the Second Amendment thing that's honestly overused by the average gun nut.

I agree.

As for the rationale behind the 2nd Amendment, that remains a topic of some debate. One interpretation, and honest given the way the rest of the document is written I suspect it's correct, is that it has very little to do with a fear of the British or foreign invaders coming back, and a great deal to do with a fear that at some point the federal government might slip into tyranny.

I didn't intend for my comment to be interpreted as my take of how the second amendment came into being. In fact, in that regard I'm more inclined to agree with your interpretation. What I posted were merely cursory points which first popped into my head when I put America and guns together.
 
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