RNG question

[Zaltana]

lol trust me he isnt. calling a spade a spade he also feels he should have gone archery cause his prime rival is a bow rarger. they are both elvaans & he called himseld an idiot for sticking with marks. but the numbers he pulled say otherwise. once when we did G2 and he chalenged a pimped out monk to take hate from him. and if i remmber correctly the monk lost.

i know he knows his first love job very well but i just think he's not as knowledgeble about about the effects natrual stats have as you gain lvls.

 

[Veresko]

i remember him saying that AGI is the modifier for marks. since mithra have the highest natural AGI he feels i would have better spent those points on marks VS archery.

This is the common mistake most RNGs make. It's not as simple as "Stack up AGI for a Xbow and STR for a bow". AGI is a second modifier in "Slug Shot" formula, meaning it's a small part of the dmg output. STR and Rng. Att. are still present in the formula. Saying you should go Marks. simply because you have the highest AGI is dumb.

The only time you should look at AGI gear IMO is when you know you've capped STR. If not, STR and Rng. Att no matter the weapon you use.

 

[Dowzer]

This is the common mistake most RNGs make. It's not as simple as "Stack up AGI for a Xbow and STR for a bow". AGI is a second modifier in "Slug Shot" formula, meaning it's a small part of the dmg output. STR and Rng. Att. are still present in the formula. Saying you should go Marks. simply because you have the highest AGI is dumb.

The only time you should look at AGI gear IMO is when you know you've capped STR. If not, STR and Rng. Att no matter the weapon you use.

Ditto, although I believe AGI is the primary (and only listed) modifier for Slug Shot. I build STR for Marks, I'm also 8/8. From personal experience, STR and Attack affect all phsycial weapon skills. I notice better results with STR build than AGI build, I tried this because I wanted to test the formula. Slug is 30% AGI, Sidewinder is 15% STR and 30% AGI if memory serves me correctly. I'm starting to think they both follow the same formula.

Oh and I know this isn't the flameboard, but eat shit and die in a fire MR. Eastern Shadow. Double digits, 0/10 including Trenma's drop rate while I helped him - 0/7 on my claims. (We help eachother by sharing Treasure Hunter, if Trenma claims he gets the drop; if I claim I get the drop)

Atleast I have unclaimed screenshots of 3/4 Shadows now, lol. I'ma comin' for ya Northern Shadow!

 

[Makelith]

once when we did G2 and he chalenged a pimped out monk to take hate from him. and if i remmber correctly the monk lost.

One sidewinder>>barrage>>sidewinder would probably give him enough hate to keep it from a mnk if the mnk didn't voke. The boreal mobs have such a damage bonus that it really wouldn't be that hard for a spike damage job to keep hate from a DoT job.

Are we talking BB pimped mnk or a Brown Belt pimped mnk?

 

[Stouter]

Ditto, although I believe AGI is the primary (and only listed) modifier for Slug Shot. I build STR for Marks, I'm also 8/8. From personal experience, STR and Attack affect all phsycial weapon skills.

Yes, STR and (Ranged) Attack are factors in damage for all physical ws's, I forget the exact number range, but it seems that depending on your STR vs mob VIT and attack vs mob def, you can add +20-30% STR as a pseudo-modifier for every physical ws, and that's in addition to the STR modifier on ws's that have one. It does have a cap, and I believe a floor as well, but 20-30% is where you'll see it in most exp situations.

A pimped out mnk won't be able to out-hate a pimped out rng if the rng hits all their shots. 2 slugwinders, a barrage, and an EES will out-hate HF, especially with a gun where the distance nerf will only be minor when you pull hate.

 

[Zaltana]

i appriciate all of the advice. i finally got to play with my static again after capping my archery. and my slugs were strong and my sidewinders were sublime. i even looked on FFXIclopedia and read what you're talking about. im just glad i can use attack food without worry now. and i was fun using arching arrow at lvl 63.

 

[Veresko]

Oh and I know this isn't the flameboard, but eat shit and die in a fire MR. Eastern Shadow. Double digits, 0/10 including Trenma's drop rate while I helped him - 0/7 on my claims. (We help eachother by sharing Treasure Hunter, if Trenma claims he gets the drop; if I claim I get the drop)

Atleast I have unclaimed screenshots of 3/4 Shadows now, lol. I'ma comin' for ya Northern Shadow!

Hey now! It only took me 2 years to finally get one lol. Oh and I'm about 0/15 combined for the rest of the shadows while caming Eastern. Something like 0/7 on Cross-Counters.

Don't talk to Limi, I think he got both weapons 3 or 4 times.

Edit: And you're right, I mixed the WS formula. But still, STR> AGI unless it's capped.

 

[Dowzer]

Hey now! It only took me 2 years to finally get one lol. Oh and I'm about 0/15 combined for the rest of the shadows while caming Eastern. Something like 0/7 on Cross-Counters.

Don't talk to Limi, I think he got both weapons 3 or 4 times.

Edit: And you're right, I mixed the WS formula. But still, STR> AGI unless it's capped.

Trenma went 1/1 on Retaliators yesterday, a big slap in the face from SE. ; ; Oh and Eastern didn't drop for him either, I can't camp this week.

 

[Mishaela]

Hey now! It only took me 2 years to finally get one lol. Oh and I'm about 0/15 combined for the rest of the shadows while caming Eastern. Something like 0/7 on Cross-Counters.

0/12 Roc. What's with the R/EX drops on these NMs? >_>

 

[Orestes]

Hey, at least the competition has to be better then what it was back then. I've spent a little time up there since the patch myself and it's nice is all I can say.

1/1, but this was over 2 years ago.

The JP that used to camp the shadow NM's were dirty as hell. I don't think I could ever put myself through that again. The only thing I had going for me was the JP's lack of knowlege on their true windows. They'd leave if he didn't spawn @ the 24hr mark. Thank god for that

 

[Zaltana]

i still want that bow. >.<