Sam Tank question

I'd think that a sam could probably do it, i've always said that i've thought sam was meant to tank. They are insanly good at holding hate if they use there weaponskills, and they have access to a bunch of gear for it, and they can parry well and evade good enough too
 
Tyrath said:
I know Serise has tanked Behemoth as drk. I'm sure it would be possible for a sam to tank, just a question of how much mage support they would need :P
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iirc, serise has d ring, among other things
 
i say someone should get A+ in parrying, wtf! why have a skill with only A-'s? almost as bad as "Red mages" being "masters" of swords and magic(says so in a few cutscenes i think in windurst) and getting such a crappy skill in it. Maybe SE will add A+ to one of the new jobs? Doubt Blue mage(may have good skill with swords but dont see it being better than sam nin thf or even warrior/rdm/pld) or corsair(seing as its a ranged job) and ffxi.somepage doesnt seem to be working so i cant look up exact skills cause i'm also too lazy to use google... damn google making me have to open a new page... they should make it work telepathically or something
 
Excalibr said:
I'm sure SAM's could tank OK, but I don't think you would find a sam tank in a 8k+ exp/hr party.
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there usually isn't any tank in 8k+/hr parties
 
war can do better than nin in some situations, like really fast hitting monsters, Sam would be probably like somewhere in between Nin and War, less defense than a warrior(more than a ninja), But more evasion(less than nin) and parrying(same as Nin) than a warrior.
 
Klepto_Pyro said:
i say someone should get A+ in parrying, wtf! why have a skill with only A-'s?
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More than half the skills in this game cap at 269, at most. List of skills that cannot be 276 before gear/merits, with their max rating and associated jobs:

Dagger (A- THF)

Great Sword (A- DRK)

Axe (A- WAR/BST)

Katana (A- NIN)

Club (A- PLD)

Staff (A- PLD)

Archery (A- RNG)

Marksmanship (A- RNG)

Throwing (A- NIN)

Guard (A- MNK)

Parry (A- THF/SAM/NIN)

Divine magic (A- WHM)

Enhancing magic (B+ RDM)

Dark magic (A- BLM/DRK)

Singing (C BRD)

Stringed instrument (C BRD)

Wind instrument (C BRD)

Ninjutsu (A- NIN)

Summoning magic (A- SMN)


As you can see, it's pretty common. RNG, BRD, BST, NIN, and SMN all lack an A+ skill.
 
Excalibr said:
That is true....most I've ever gotten w/ a tank is 7k. Ok, I still think a SAM tank pty couldn't break 4-5k. Who knows tho maybe I'm wrong.
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If the SAM could hold hate in a Cannon PT, they'd be decent "tanks" for such parties. They get nice tank-centered equipment, ontop of their parry skill. Third Eye for big damage enemy skills.. Certainly better off than Monks, Dragoons, Rangers, etc.
 
true hadnt noticed all the A-, but war gets better in gax at least yay! i prefer brd... they dont even get an A(or B also i think) :P
And nin just gets screwed, 4 A-'s >_> at first i thought they were A+(hadnt checked or asked until i noticed war didnt have A+ in axe)
 
Klepto_Pyro said:
true hadnt noticed all the A-, but war gets better in gax at least yay! i prefer brd... they dont even get an A(or B also i think) :P
And nin just gets screwed, 4 A-'s >_> at first i thought they were A+(hadnt checked or asked until i noticed war didnt have A+ in axe)
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As a 65 ninja so far, I'll take 4 A-s and be happy with it. Sounds like a better deal than just one A+ and a bunch of Bs-Es and lower.
 
Everlasting said:
ForteTeppo said:
I dont have any links, it's just what everyone has told me. Sam's were ment to tank, and Ninja's were simply DDs. Ninja's proved to be a very good tank and Sam's a better off DDs.
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Yeah I had a feeling. Stuff like this is how bad rumors get started, you said "SE said" like 3 times.

I've tried a SAM tank once and it was so/so. SAM tank, exp'ing on bones in Necrop so it wasn't the best by any means but it worked and we got a few K exp.
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SE HAS said that SAM was normally meant to be a tank job...and with AF Hands (?) and Roshi Jinpachi, some rice can give em +80def.. (hell, Tonosama will give +100att, +60def, +3dex, +3vit, +3chr, +2% double attack. HQ will give +120att, 80def, 4dex, 4vit, 4chr, 10% double attack) - Only get half the att/def/doubleattack by using only one, and even then it's still an amazing stat boost. Genbu's Kabuto could be a decent alternative too, as WSM said.

And as already said, SAM/NIN can be insanely cheap in the right situations (same parry as NIN plus Third Eye). /NIN doesn't hafto = dual wielding, either.
 
Riceball stats are disgusting for SAM.

Nerf! I demand a nerf!
 
Mishaela said:
SE HAS said that SAM was normally meant to be a tank job...and with AF Hands (?) and Roshi Jinpachi, some rice can give em +80def.. (hell, Tonosama will give +100att, +60def, +3dex, +3vit, +3chr, +2% double attack. HQ will give +120att, 80def, 4dex, 4vit, 4chr, 10% double attack) - Only get half the att/def/doubleattack by using only one, and even then it's still an amazing stat boost. Genbu's Kabuto could be a decent alternative too, as WSM said.

And as already said, SAM/NIN can be insanely cheap in the right situations (same parry as NIN plus Third Eye). /NIN doesn't hafto = dual wielding, either.
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Again, no links or direct quotes. In my speech arguementation class, we call that "bogus". Ok not really "bogus", but we can't present any arguement without being able to back up the points we talk about.

Like the other guy said, it's possible, but it's not going to be a major tank like pld or nin. War can tank in the right situations just fine, but a SAM tanking would require too much out of the way things to take care of.

Stop saying "Well SE said this and that" because it doesn't hold anymore water than me saying "SE wanted me to be a GM but I turned them down."

Make your theories and assumptions, but don't try and back up any false claims from a widely known figure head.
 
Hey, as a 47 SAM I've tanked probably 1/2 the parties that I was in. Either by pulling too much hate because the NIN sucked or because there just wasn't any other tanks available. The best thing about SAM tank is avoiding all big DMG ATKs, Third Eye is the number one best defensive skill in the game. ...readies big attack...Shaunessy uses Third Eye....Shaunessy anticipates the attack. You just have to play SAM like you would play a tank in DAoC, and react quick enough to make it work.
 
I had a SAM tank in my exp party at 56 after our PLD had to leave XD Got 5k exp an hour... Although, we DID get 4k an hour with the 4 people we had before, and we were 1 tank short then <.<;

I'm sure Kat remembers that XD
 
Wow... that actually sounds like it would make a killer tank. Hmmm... Sickle Slash? Nope.
 
Shaunessy said:
Hey, as a 47 SAM I've tanked probably 1/2 the parties that I was in. Either by pulling too much hate because the NIN sucked or because there just wasn't any other tanks available. The best thing about SAM tank is avoiding all big DMG ATKs, Third Eye is the number one best defensive skill in the game. ...readies big attack...Shaunessy uses Third Eye....Shaunessy anticipates the attack. You just have to play SAM like you would play a tank in DAoC, and react quick enough to make it work.
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I dunno though... that PLD 2hr just might be better than third eye...

:biggrin:
 
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