Save the Turtles

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Turtles! <3
 
1) Turtles can't read
2) We can't get the turtles to cross near the signs
3) The signs are distracting to drivers
4) The signs get stolen

Wow. This truly says something about how stupid some people can be. "Turtles can't read" had me laughing for a good while and you gave enough evidence to pretty much completely destroy the other arguments. #3 is an almost halfway decent argument... but seriously... what do they think is going to happen? "OMFG SIGN! MUST SLAM ONTO BRAKES!!! OHNOEZ I'M SWERVING OUT OF CONTROL!!!"
 
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Thanks for your support guys! Here's an update on how things are going.

Kids rally to try to save turtle cross signs

By BRENDAN WEDLEY/Examiner Municipal Writer
Local News - Wednesday, June 20, 2007 Updated @ 5:37:39 PM


Kids For Turtles member Sabastian Neil waves a placard outside the County Court House Wednesday to protest County council's decision two weeks ago to stop installing warning signs other than standardized signs.

Kids for Turtles has a tough fight ahead. County council decided two weeks ago to stop installing warning signs other than standardized signs in the Manual for Uniform Traffic Control Devices, which does not include turtle crossing signs.

At least a dozen children wearing bright yellow T-shirts went to the council meeting Wednesday to silently protest the decision.

Turtles need to be protected, said 13-year-old Cameron McNab, a Westmount Public School student.

"They're a really important part of our eco-system," he said.

Council invited the group to speak at its next meeting July 4.

County staff cited ongoing maintenance costs and the need to limit the number and type of signs installed in the municipal right of way next to roads as the reason to restrict the use of signs to the ones in the manual.


"We do get requests all the time for signs that do not meet the guidelines in the Manual for Uniform Traffic Control Devices," public works director Chris Bradley said.

Turtle-crossing signs were put up along county roads in 2001 thanks to the efforts of a group of children. Kids for Turtles raised $4,000 for the signs and the county paid for the staff time and equipment to install them at certain locations.

Many of the signs have since been knocked down or stolen.

The county has received several letters from residents urging it to reverse its decision to stop using the turtle crossing signs.

Turtles in Ontario are in decline, with six of eight designated species at risk, and road mortality is the leading cause of mortality in turtles, McNab states.

"Five years ago we approached the council asking for support in our campaign to rescue such a vulnerable species. The council support us and even gave us an award for our efforts," he states.

"Now the council has reversed its position. We are betrayed, and hurt, by the shocking actions of the council that we are expected to vote for in future years."

McNab told The Examiner Kids for Turtles has a solution for every one of the problems the county cited when it decided to stop using the signs.

In Algonquin Provincial Park, for instance, the back of signs are greased to decrease theft, McNab said.

"At least if they're getting stolen by college students someone's looking at them on a wall and they're raising awareness that way," he said.

A biologist sent a letter to council to inform it about the issues that threaten turtle populations.

"Road mortality may end up being the most dominant factor in the decimation of turtle populations," said Scott Gillingwater, species at risk biologist for the Upper Thames River Conservation Authority.

"The point is, turtle road crossing signs raise awareness, and in turn lessen the effects of road mortality. The work that children have done to maintain turtle populations in the Peterborough area should be fostered, publicized and awarded, not halted or ignored."

Bradley explained to council why moose and deer crossing signs are in the manual but not turtle crossing signs.

"They're installed because there is a danger for the motorist, there is a potential of the motorist being killed," he said.

Several council members said they support their original decision but would like to give Kids for Turtles a chance to make a presentation at the next council meeting.

"Obviously, we have members of Peterborough county who are very passionate about this issue," Douro-Dummer Reeve J. Murray Jones said.

"This in no way means the decision will or will not change," Smith-Ennismore-Lakefield Reeve Ron Millen said.

I'll be watching the news for what happens on July 4th and any other updates and let you all know what the verdict was.
 
Lawl, I signed your turtle Petition. I want one of those signs....
 
Signed :D

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Sorry for the necro. Just wanted to update everybody on what happened with the signs.

Children win turtle sign battle; County council reverses decision after Kids for Turtles campaign draws international attention

DON PEAT
For: www.thepeterboroughexaminer.com
- Thursday, July 05, 2007 @ 00:00

Talk about turtle power.

After a delegation of children and a lengthy discussion yesterday, county councillors reversed a decision to stop installing turtle crossing signs along county roads.

Council approved a motion to maintain the 42 turtle crossing signs in existence, only put up new signs beside county roads near provincially significant wetlands and lobby the provincial government to add the signs to the Ontario Traffic Manual.

The motion at the regular council meeting repeals a previous motion to only post signs in the Ontario Traffic Manual, which doesn't include turtle crossing signs, passed a month ago.

The campaign to restore the signs spearheaded by the local children's group Kids for turtles garnered international attention and drew celebrity support from environmentalist Dr. David Suzuki and Booker Prize-winning author Yann Martel.

After council's decision to keep the unique yellow and black turtle signs, Kids for turtles spokesman Cameron McNab, 13, said he was amazed they won the fight.

"I'm not completely surprised - this is politics after all," McNab said. "I'm happy they've reconsidered in our favour."

Looking back on the process, the Grade 8 pupil said the group made more than an environmental point.

"It proves kids can make a difference here," McNab said.

Warden Ron Gerow congratulated the children for their determination and dedication to their cause.

Gerow said he received lots of calls over the last two weeks about the turtle issue, including many from local biologists.

"If nothing else I know from a personal standpoint I've learned a lot about turtles," Gerow said.

McNab, 13, was the first to address council yesterday.

He reminded council they originally approved the turtle crossing signs in 2001 when approached by Kids for turtles after the group raised $4,000 for the effort.

The county awarded them a heritage award for their efforts, McNab said.

"Turtles are still in trouble and yet one month ago you revoked your earlier promise to maintain or replace turtle crossing signs in the county," McNab said.

He pointed to 11 other counties and seven cities that now use the turtle crossing signs.

The six children from Kids for turtles were joined by high school student Samantha Woolley. A volunteer at the Kawartha turtle Trauma Centre, Woolley started the online petition to save the signs that has garnered 1,193 signatures.

In response to complaints that the turtle signs are stolen too often, McNab proposed county workers carry an extra crossing sign in their truck to replace missing signs quickly and consider greasing the backs of the signs to reduce theft.

"No one wants something that dirty in the backseat of their car," McNab said.

Councillors were largely supportive of keeping the signs after several weeks of pressure from concerned residents.

"You've got my wife, my grandchildren, everybody lobbying me to put up signs," North Kawartha Reeve Jim Whelan said to the group.

"You've made this not only an Ontario and a County of Peterborough issue but a global issue."

McNab said the group has already written letters to Premier Dalton McGuinty and Peterborough MPP Jeff Leal asking for the change to be made.

Asphodel-Norwood Reeve Doug Pearcy said driving along county roads himself he has realized turtles are at risk.

"I have come to the conclusion in my own mind that public awareness is what we have to do," Pearcy said. "I support returning the signs to provincially significant wetlands."

Not all councillors were in favour of the reversal.

"What is the evidence that these signs are actually effective?" Smith-Ennismore-Lakefield Reeve Ron Millen asked.

Ian McIntosh, the Toronto Zoo's adopt-a-pond program co-ordinator, said the signs are the first step in preserving an endangered species and raising awareness around the issue.

"Surely there is a better way than putting up signs," Millen said.

Before council voted on saving the signs, county public works director Chris Bradley presented a report to council updating them on the turtle sign issue.

Repeating the history of council's decision last month, Bradley said it was never meant to target just turtle signs.

"It was an issue related to signs other than those in the manual staff use," Bradley said. "We wanted consistent guidelines that can be used for placing road signs along the road allowance."

There are 42 turtle crossing signs in the county, Bradley said, placed in spots from a list provided by Kids for turtles.

Some signs have gone missing and in some cases the poles have gone missing as well, he said.

McNab said the group has more work to do including continuing to lobby the province to add the turtle crossing signs to the traffic manual.

Thank you everyone who signed the petition!
 
Sorry for the necro. Just wanted to update everybody on what happened with the signs.



Thank you everyone who signed the petition!

Canada's turtles 2 Canada 0
 
Thats the score Canada gets in most conflicts it goes into. Especially if they go agaisnt something like turtles!
 
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