Sent to jail for harrassing Gil Sellers.....

dowser, the point you're trying to make is that it is economically right to hate gilsellers (i know that's not a term, but there you go.)

pakomen, the point you're trying to make is that there is no need to hate gilsellers.

as for myself, the point i was trying to make is that it is wrong to hate gilsellers.

We're all entitled to our opinions, but you're not going to convince me. Gilselling may be wrong economically, but hatred is worse; it wrongs the kind hearts of humanity.

Dowser, defend yourself all you want, you're right that it might help the economy. But people > money anyday.
 
I think the point I'm trying to make is that it's immature to hate the gilsellers and there are worse evils that haunt our server than the gilsellers. Good posts by all sides of the debate.
 
Gilsellers might be people, but the way they play the game is unjust and improper. They'll do anything to get what they need, even MPKing ppl who try to CC them. Point is they don't play fair and they tend to get in the way of everything and ultimately slows a person's/ls's progress. There's a lot of other reasons why gilsellers are scum, a flawed economy is just one thing.

Another thing that upsets me is the amount of NAers that are willing to help them along the way. SaluteII has sky thanks to the many ppl from the NA who were gullible to help (I won't name names). I also heard recently that they were able to get to Lufaise Meadows as well. Point is ppl are pouring fuel into the fire here, and in reality they might be making money from there contributions, but at the end they're just using you. People who get paid to be their whores... I would never be that desperate.
 
that doesn't change my argument... it only clarifiys it.

honestly i've seen all of this:
gilsellers get along better than some NA people.
gilsellers stick together for a common cause out of necessity.
gilsellers don't have the best gear, only functional gear.
gilsellers, when asked nicely, will usually yield as long as it doesn't interfere long-term.
gilsellers take advantage of a specific NM or other money-making means.

NA mpk gilsellers more than (unprovoked) gilsellers mpk NA.
NA (endgame) in general stick together out of selfishness.
NA have a variety of gear, varying from elite to extremely silly.
NA when asked nicely will usually ignore, bite back, or yield.
NA take advantage of people. *refers to various flameboard topics*

gilsellers when provoked can be ruthless.
NA when provoked can be ruthless too.

Your argument is moot.

Your argument only fuels the hatred. You lose.
 
Oh whooptie doo. I got to lufaise meadows 5 months ago. How long did you think it would possibly take them. They have even greater resources and help than I do.

There are just as many non-gilsellers who play this game as competitively as the gilsellers themself. I remember just recently one of the more popular qcdn figures saying that if a NM's name goes yellow, it's fair game to voke anytime. It was the big debate on whether so and so had stolen from a beastmaster who was taking out a NM. But suddenly, these people who are hyper-competitive in any other ordinary circumstances are angels the minute gilsellers are involved. Screw that. Gilsellers, non-gillsellers, JP's, NA's, we are all every bit as competitive as anybody else in this game. Maybe the gilsellers MPK more often than the non's. I somehow doubt it when I see and hear shit from people like Kyle, but hey, who knows. Maybe he met my nemesis Creativv who I'd like to see MPK'd back to the stoneage rather than some of the nicer sellers. I couldn't give a shit. But there is every bit as many rude and obnoxious non-sellers as there are gilsellers, and anyone who denies that fact is dillusional.
 
No problem. This topic heats me up :P
 
Reishu said:
that doesn't change my argument... it only clarifiys it.

honestly i've seen all of this:
gilsellers get along better than some NA people.
gilsellers stick together for a common cause out of necessity.
gilsellers don't have the best gear, only functional gear.
gilsellers, when asked nicely, will usually yield as long as it doesn't interfere long-term.
gilsellers take advantage of a specific NM or other money-making means.

NA mpk gilsellers more than (unprovoked) gilsellers mpk NA.
NA (endgame) in general stick together out of selfishness.
NA have a variety of gear, varying from elite to extremely silly.
NA when asked nicely will usually ignore, bite back, or yield.
NA take advantage of people. *refers to various flameboard topics*

gilsellers when provoked can be ruthless.
NA when provoked can be ruthless too.

Your argument is moot.

Your argument only fuels the hatred. You lose.
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agree with this
 
GC said:
Gilsellers might be people, but the way they play the game is unjust and improper. They'll do anything to get what they need, even MPKing ppl who try to CC them. Point is they don't play fair and they tend to get in the way of everything and ultimately slows a person's/ls's progress. There's a lot of other reasons why gilsellers are scum, a flawed economy is just one thing.

Another thing that upsets me is the amount of NAers that are willing to help them along the way. SaluteII has sky thanks to the many ppl from the NA who were gullible to help (I won't name names). I also heard recently that they were able to get to Lufaise Meadows as well. Point is ppl are pouring fuel into the fire here, and in reality they might be making money from there contributions, but at the end they're just using you. People who get paid to be their whores... I would never be that desperate.
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The SaluteII people never MPK anyone... but non selelrs from BoL like Godpoing do.... which is worse? Redsky and it's affiliates are the scum of the server.. all the likely seller suspects are there, they dominate an monopolize HNM pops, as well as MPK / Steal if they do not get the claim. No one would have any objection if these guys were exterminated... but to lump the Fly's with these guys is not right.

The "Sellers" can get anywhere and everywhere in this game.... they have shitloads of 75 jobs. THey can make up in numbers what they may lack in skill... and the skills can be learned over time.

I Guess I really tired of people assuming that somone is a gillseller by association. And even if someone is ... So the fuck what? If they break the in game rules (MPK, harrasment, etc) ban em. Otherwise you have to live with it. An MMORPG offers the same thing the real world offers; Greed, deception, joy, hatred, love (for the desperate), etc. If you get taken advantage of, remember next time just like real life.

Bah i'm rambling today..... Just "Do on to others as you would like others to do on to you"
 
Reishu makes a good point here. Everyone's equally good as they are bad in the game. In personal experience, some gilsellers are actually nice people. A group of them even helped myself and a couple friends skill-up in Kuftal while camping Amemet.

Though, I also agree with Pakomen. Lots of them can be jerks too. Some friends of my linkshell were fighting Simurgh in Rolanberry the other day, and one of the friends died, and gilsellers Provoked the mob and got the drop. In my opinion- huge assholes, especially because so many people died to get the mob that low HP (about 5% remaining) and then the gilsellers just steal the NM and no one dies on their side, and they get the drop.
 
The ONLY problem that I have with Gil Sellers and the reason I despise them and anyone associated with them, is because it's not fair to everyone else who plays this game.... Everyone who camps HNMs/NMs/Whatever, does it so they can better themselves or friends in some way, whether it's getting an item they can use or getting an item they can sell. Gil Sellers go to get the item, sell it, and then sell the gil to people for real life money. They're not doing it to better themselves or help anyone out. It's to make RL money! That is not fair to everyone who spends their time camping these NMs.

I remember back before gil sellers would camp Simmy, etc. BoL, NH, OH, and others would always come to Simmy, Serket, and all these HNMs that are now dominated by Gil Sellers. I always had a good time competing with others, all the shit talking and competitiveness. That was really fun. Fighting gil sellers is like fighting cimputer controlled characters. They play 24/7 and show up religously to all the HNMs that everyone's given up on. If they weren't around, supply of these big drops would not cease. Anyone who thinks them camping these HNMs keeps a steady supply of these items around is an idiot. If they weren't around, me as well as plenty of others would be there for every pop and so the argument that they keep a steady supply of these items in the economy does not work.

I also have never MPKed a gil seller once, I ain't wasting XP on no Gil Seller. They're nice enough most of the time, but that doesn't mean they deserve to be treated like real people. THEY'RE FUCKING GIL SELLERS! That's like saying that murderers and rapists are humans too and deserve everyone's respect. They do not! It's too bad their parents didn't drown them in the Yagntze River when they were born.
 
i could post, but it's not worth repeating.

Kyle, for god's sake, learn to hate them less. You're so caught up in why you shouldn't care that you make it your only excuse.

Now go sit in a corner and say to yourself "i'm worse than the gilsellers ever were to me."
 
Reishu, even if what he did was unjust. Godpoing (Kyle) prolly one of the nicest ppl you'll ever meet. You forget that the biggest factors of hatred comes from the society itself.
 
I've never had to deal with sellers on any really big mobs. Just back in the day in Ordelles and in Oztroja.

Gilsellers are extremely specialized at what they do, but arent always that hard to beat if you are smart about it by changing what they are used to (ie subbing /bst in ordelles and you could monopolize calmitke's stroper pop, in oz you can mess with placeholder spawn times, in hiding them from gilsellers, i did this once and literally walked to Quu). Anyways, I get pissed off at them every once in awhile, once you CC them enough you just get used to it. I don't hate them anymore than I'd hate to have good CC. I think the fact they have to sell gil to lazy ass people for terrible wages is enough punishment. I hate gilbuyers more than gilsellers without a doubt. They are lazy, greedy people ruining the environment for other players. If gilbuyers were not around f'ing up the economy and f'ing up the environment gilsellers would not be a problem, they'd dissapear.
 
Yeah, gilsellers are generally nice people. I don't hate them, I hate their job. They kinda take the fun out of FFXI by making it a serious and paid job to play the game. Basically as long as they leave you and your party alone, there's no harm done. It's just sad how the monopolise everything, so you can't camp an NM without them being there.
 
I'm sorry Kyle.

Thnikk, endgame is the same way. One LS dominates one HNM, another for another... NMs in sky are on a first-come first-serve basis, they're rarely up for long.

Agreed Mattaru.
 
i made a noobish mistake the other day. i threw my bomb core. (common problem with DRKs)

i've had this bomb core for months upon months. and now i need to replace it.

im not a farming type, so i dont have much gil. the only time i ever really farmed was when i was saving for my hauby. because i usually dont have gil i can remember every big purchase or sale i ever made. i remember back to over a year back when i sold my (farmed) emperor's hairpin for just 270k. i dont remember buying my bomb core so that tells me it was a relatively cheap item at the time i bought it.

its not a cheap item anymore.

for the past couple of weeks ive been monotoring the price of bomb cores in hopes it drops to around 500k (i have less than 600k to my name), but it doesnt. it stays around 700k because the price is controlled by rosehot (and one other i cant spell right now).

since im almost 75 now i figured, hell i can probably get the drop myself. so i do a little research adn then set out to recruit some help. i figure i only need a healer and another DD (could probaly do with less, but im a fan of overkill), but i cant get anyone to help. why? gil sellers.

it turns out that the 2 people that seems to dominate the bomb core market are gil sellers. and every time i try to recruit help and set out to get me a new bomb core; Rosehot and that other gil seller are there. i cant get any help because ppl just dont want to put up with the typical gil-seller antics. they dont want tto waste time competing with 24/7 campers who have become professionals at their NM, or even worse; run the risk of getting MPKed if we somehow manage to win the pull. my friends tell me to save myself a lot of heart-ache and just buy it from gil-sellers through AH.

gill-seller dominate an item i could probably get for free, maintain its prices just above my reach, and discourage any help i could get to compete against them with the threat of MPK. yeah, real nice people.
 
you're saying all gilsellers are bad just because a few gilsellers are rude. that's like a JP saying all NA are {Too Weak}, which we all know isn't true.

if you want to slander rosehot, nobody can blame you, and i'd be inclined to agree. but what did the others do to you?
 
wether they are nice or not is irrelevant. if mother theresa was a gil-seller i'd still want her out of the game.
 
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