*sigh* UNconstructive and hypocritical critisism

Marael

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Ok, the other night I was in a Pt with Johnnyb. I've partied with him before and he's generally an asshat that does not know anything about any job he's ever played in my presence (opinion)

Now, he was the RNG and I was a NIN tank. First off he does not know the meaning of hte word RESTRAINT. he was spamming arrows like nothing else and got off like 3 sidewinders every fight. he then says to me "you're playing the job wrong, I'm a 75 nin and you're playing it wrong." Ok, so what should I do better? nothing.

He continues to be his trigger happy self and is generally unpleasent to be around. he then examines me and starts to criticize my equipment. I started out the fight wearing eva gear but as I realized he was trigger happy and wasn't going to let up I began adding emnity pieces in place of eva. When he examined me I was at my max with +10. he says to me "you don't need emnity. I never used emnity. you don't need it, get rid of it." Ok, what would you suggest I wear instead? Nothing. I was wearing eva gear but you're pulling too much hate. I'll switch back if you lay off. nothing.

Ok pt was in onzozo, I hate that place because I've only once had a competant mage that could keep me unparalyzed and unsilenced. It's pretty much tank hell. I look before going and there are already 3 parties there. I say as much and that i would prefer to either super chain raptors in valley of sorrows or take gobs in monastic cavern. Johnnyb "i never had a problem tanking there. we're going to onzozo." important note, HE WAS NOT THE PT LEADER. we get there and get like one mob every 5-10 mins. I was all like "told ya so" Johnnyb then says he's leaving then uses a warp scroll and disbands.

As i was venting frustration to my LS I find out this lovely little tidbit of info from a 73 ls member that has pted with his 75 nin and heard a lot of his annoying and noobish bragging. Once he hit 75 he put merit points into EMNITY, yes, that's right EMNITY. um . . . correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he just tell me like 20 mins earlier that . "you don't need emnity. I never used emnity. you don't need it, get rid of it." Hypocritical don't you think? well anyway, I also find that when you switch to another job emnity is a merit trait that carries over. meaning, if you get +5 emnity off merit points you then start out every other job with +5 emnity. i would hate to be the tank when johnnyb decides to play whm. This very much explains why I could not keep hate to him. I usually do ok with trigger happy RNGs and BLMs but he was just totally blowing me away and i couldn't figure out why.

So anyway, the whole emnity thing and the fact that he criticized me equipment and playing style without giving the slightest hint of what I might do better when I asked and his apparent lack of any sort of restraint even when asked to restrain himself has all earned him a place near the top of my "asshats to avoid at all costs list"
 
Marael said:
I started out the fight wearing eva gear but as I realized he was trigger happy and wasn't going to let up I began adding emnity pieces in place of eva. When he examined me I was at my max with +10

correction: I started out the PARTY with eva gear.
 
Johnnyb... lol. He's got shit for brains. When I was a Paladin back in August, he subbed /Thf on his Drk. Not bad. Too fuckin bad his sub was 15 and he was 54. I remember him helping my friend get his Ranger boots. Johnnyb says "It's okay I can tank it". He was Dark Knight at the time. Koenigstiger, RIPPED HIS ASS UP! I'm pretty sure he buys gil because he used to magically buy shit he didn't even need for his Dark knight, but that's another story.
 
Hmm how come my static's nin can handle me spamming Bullets/arrows/bolts. Me and the MNK even went all out to see who can deal the most. Tomo the JP taru also never had a problem with me ; ;.

As for Johnnyb, he is a good player. I know many that can agree with me.
 
http://www.qcdn.org/viewtopic.php?t=8835&sid=9103ec24d39e74f9518da83ee610eaad

That is one of the best parties I've ever had, and Johnnyb was spamming arrows like crazy; I was able to keep hate probably 90% of the time, and when I wasn't, the mob was simply eating up his shadows. I was counting his shadows, and if on the rare occassion the mob took down three shadows and was still alive, I would use a JA such as Rampart, Sentinel, or Shield Bash. I don't think he got hit the entire session besides bomb tosses.

Then again, I'm a PLD. Maybe he's better suited to a PLD's style of tanking?
 
He sure as hell owned when he tanked for Promyvion and my last sucessful EXP pty WHM had him as Nin tank. I have nothing but respect for the guy.
 
MrEkin said:
Hmm how come my static's nin can handle me spamming Bullets/arrows/bolts. Me and the MNK even went all out to see who can deal the most. Tomo the JP taru also never had a problem with me ; ;.

probably because you don't have emnity?

As I said, i normally do really well against trigger happy RNGs and BLMs. For some reason I was getting my ass kicked with him. It's not a hard thing to do most of the time. He just had a lot of extra weight behind his trigger happiness. And before anyone says anything, yes I do very much trust the word of the LS member that informed me of his little emnity thing.
 
Man, I hate when people turn into cheerleaders for their friends. Now I'm not trying to step on anyways toes or say anyone is wrong or anything, but Johnnyb's playing style and character ability are -not- what is being called into question here. I am absolutely certain he is a capable player and likely a good, helpful friend to many people. What is being called into question (and subsequently flamed about) is his obvious in-ability to offer up advice to remedy the problem he had with Marael's tanking ability. It sounds as though he would give shoddy advice at best, possibly alluding toward a solution, but when Marael would inquire further, the advice would stop.

So lets stop trying to defend Johnnyb. His integrity and honor arent at stake right now. Why dont we discuss situations where he's given good advice about a problem in a pt when he's complained? I've personally never met him, nor probably will ever (as I'll..never get past level 40 until I get Erase. And Erase, as it stands, is still 550k in Jeuno. I am poor ;_;), so I cant say anything about it. But I do know that if I have a problem with someones style in a pt, and I happen to know a way to make things flow better, I'll spiel out some advice. He should do the same. If Marael couldnt hold hate against Johnnyb's arrow spammage, and he was concerned enough to make mention of it, and how he has a 75nin, he should have had information readily available with such expertise in the job. I mean, if I had a level 75 job, I'd do my utmost to know that job in and out. If he cant offer advice on how to hold hate at 60 as a nin, should he be bragging about his 75 nin? I dunno. I just dont think everyone should say "he's my friend so he's really good". Alright. He's your friend. Thats excellent. Give us a situation where he's disproved what happened to Marael. Thats me two cents. Hate me or love me. Or..Be indifferent to me. Weeee!
 
Oops, hit submit instead of preview. I was checking the colors.

Anyway, I was about to say that that was the first contact I ever had with him. The OP was making Johnnyb sound like a complete moron when it came to RNG, and I was maintaining that his playstyle was quite effective in another party. The only difference is that in this party, it was a NIN tank. I was attempting to draw a correlation here perhaps but now you've gone and changed the subject.:P
 
As far as merit points, I am fairly sure they do not transfer over onto other jobs.

As far as Johnnyb, he seemed kind of odd to me to be honest. When we partied, he was our ranger and I noticed he had strider boots. However he refused to pull because he didn't like Garliage Citadel.
 
Veovis said:
Man, I hate when people turn into cheerleaders for their friends. Man, I hate when people turn into cheerleaders for their friends. Now I'm not trying to step on anyways toes or say anyone is wrong or anything, but Johnnyb's playing style and character ability are -not- what is being called into question here.

Yes they are. They are not the only thing being discussed, but Marael's post starts with a dig at the guy: "Ok, the other night I was in a Pt with Johnnyb. I've partied with him before and he's generally an asshat that does not know anything about any job he's ever played in my presence (opinion)." He [Marael] criticizes not only Johnny's inability to give advice but also the way he plays. Of course people are going to respond to that :roll: (if for no other reason, because it's easier to disagree with "Player X is an incompetent asshat" than with "advice should be useful").

Veovis said:
I just dont think everyone should say "he's my friend so he's really good". Alright. He's your friend. Thats excellent. Give us a situation where he's disproved what happened to Marael.

The people you're whining about being "cheerleaders" didn't say "He's a great/funny/sexy/whatever guy, so there's no way he was playing that way!" The closest thing to that was Konartist saying she'd "never had a problem with him." Veteran gave a pretty detailed description of his good experience, and Direwolf responded with a comment about the guy's playing skill--though perhaps not quite on point because JB was playing a different job at the time.
 
Sorry to thread hijack...but Anesly....your charrie looks like one of the Crazy 8's from Kill Bill.... :shock:

/unhijack

And from what I hear, Merit Points DO transfer to other jobs
(whichisasmallreasonmostjapanesepartiesdon'twantEnglishmembersundertheassumptionthattheydon'thavea75jobwithpointstotransferover?)
But this could be false.. *shrug*
 
Merits do transfer to other jobs.

I upgraded Elemental skill twice for my BLM, and it shows I have 4 Elemental skill for my RNG52.
 
Veteran - No no no! I didnt mean to come off sounding like a dicknose. I'm sorry if I did. And if he isnt your friend, I'm sorry I also made that assumption. It just seems that in a lot of flames, people seem like if someone is their friend they've no faults. I'm wrong in this, and I apologize deeply. From the link you posted, Johnnyb seems a very capable player. I simply assumed you were his friend and calling out support. I profusely apologize.

Anesly - Yea, I noticed the asshat comment too, but I felt that the real issue wasnt his ability as a player, just his advice giving ways. And now that I took what else was said by the other posters in his favor into deeper consideration, perhaps they werent cheerleading as I had stated. But I still think there should be more difinitive evidence that he shells out good advice when he complains about anothers style. Thats all.
 
Wow, hearty apology there. Almost as hearty as

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Anyway, I wasn't mad at all.:lol: I was simply pointing out a misunderstanding on your part; no need to apologize.:P
 
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