Skilling Up Techniques - Non-weapon/Non-spell

This from talking Makzilla all the time on Team Speaker, we talking about defensive skill and how to skill up. Direct inform, how high is your guarding compare to Makzilla?
 
Corvinus said:
This from talking Makzilla all the time on Team Speaker, we talking about defensive skill and how to skill up. Direct inform, how high is your guarding compare to Makzilla?
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thats been posted above. :) mind you, i tanked several xp parties, self duo'd merit xp sessions, skillups, etc etc... and usually as mnk/war since i have 1800hp..
 
Corvinus said:
I have no idea what i'm talking about in regards to guarding skill, please disregard everything i say on the subject.
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Duly noted, will comply.
A- skill, proc rate proportional to the skill level of course, no direct stat to stack for increases in proc, skill up on proc rate seems to be (eyeballed) around 10%
Agi has NOTHING on guard for skill up. you know nobody with capped guard but i bet anyone here can name 5 people with capped parry.
 
Did you know AGI boost evasion? You suppost to take hit to skill up guarding, but if mob miss you how do you skill up?. Name 5 people got cap parrying for me, I list 2 for you. One of them is jp Ninja, other is Brainfist NA thief. You got 3 more to name. I'll check back in a bit, at work hope my boss don't see me checking FFXI sites lol
 
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Corvinus said:
Did you know AGI boost evasion? You suppost to take hit to skill up guarding, but if mob miss you how do you skill up? beside I though you're a blm or drk. How much you would know unless you try it out instead of base on just inform posted by people lol. Name 5 people got cap parrying for me, I list 2 for you. One of them is jp Ninja, other is Brainfist NA thief. You got 3 more to name
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ok... they gave us little things on the left right under our avatars... now, pry your eyes off the pretty girl and look down... no, under the blm thing.... now, i'm not haxxing the game or subbing mnk for my blm. it may be outdate since mnk has achieved 75 but it clearly says mnk 70... most ninjas in kaizen integralis or perseverance have capped parry. Evanos, Achelois, Chronicles. there's 3. want more? that's off the top of my head. i can log in and get more.

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Agi boosts eva, but how about this... you can stack -eva gear... nto hard to find, -10 from woody rings. hauby -20. Okote, another 5. want me to keep going? i can visit somepage
 
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Corvinus said:
Did you know AGI boost evasion? You suppost to take hit to skill up guarding, but if mob miss you how do you skill up?.
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AGI boost on evasion is very minimal. the amount of -AGI gear you'd need to load on to decrease evasion to really even make a difference is not worth all of that. besides, im elvaan, my AGI sucks as it is.
 
As like Neo said Elvaan got suck AGI, but last time I heard from Achelois, he got over 300 evasion while I helped fight adamanking awhile ago not parrying. Evanos and Chronicle are elvaan which low AGI, get parrying up not so easy. I would believe you if you said high lvl parrying, but cap is impossible, let see some screenshots. Most of ninja don't get over 225 so easy without PLD first lvled. Eormanric got 250 parrying and his PLD lvl 75, Sneakypants is 260+ and he also got PLD lvl 61, Johhnyb said to me before dynamis run one time that he got 264, he also got both NIN and PLD 75.
 
Corvinus said:
You know why it's hard to cap guard? Nobody let monk tank in exp party beside cannon party which most don't got the skill at the lvl of the mobs to skill up. Few monks in server got high skill b/c they actually spent time skilled it up from weaker to stronger mob or solo all the time. I knew a few got high lvl guarding such as Odhinn (Not sure but guarding alot in ballista), Makzilla (190 or close to 200), Ujio (110-120), and few other. I ballista with them few times, powerful monks. Easy way to skill up guard is monk/pld for extra defense (Sentinel) lower AGI, evasion and tank fast hitting mobs + mages spam cures. Trust me, guarding is so much easier to skill up than parrying. My lvl 45 monk got 45 guarding skill.

Parrying on other hand is slow as hell, you need alot of AGI but lower evasion and you need to keep up the shadow while tank fast hitting mobs, the proc of parrying and skill up during recast shadow while mob hitting is higher. Parrying not hard to go from 1-225(PLD) but from 225-269(NIN) cap is a long journey.

When my redmage friend not busy, I always asked him to come with me to Den of Rancor and help me skill up on those tough mandies. The average of getting .3 at 250 is 1-2hours if lucky or 2-3 hours just for .2 or even nothing for hours. I'm only 6 lvl away from cap but would probably take at least another 4-5 months.

As for the weapon about 2 handed or 1 handed weapon, I don't think it's really matter. The proc rate does increase but skill up rate not changing. At 263 parrying, easy prey mobs -> even match mobs; I parrying alot but not as much as pld shield. I can't wait until it's actually cap and put some merits into it, wonder how much it will active compare to current activation rate.
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Parrying is ridiculously easy to level compared to guarding, all you have to do to level parrying is just level a tanking job and you'll get significantly higher than you would with parrying. I have 123 parrying skill just from leveling ninja to 68, but my guarding skill is only 106 even after spending weeks trying to skill it up(+39 skill in gear too). Parrying is also easier to level because it's far less risky than guard, since parry can proc before shadows, you can just sub nin or go nin main and get parrying skillups while under the protection of utsusemi.

Neo and black, you forgot about the Tiger/Feral masks; -5(6) evasion, +5(6) vit, +20(21) hp and +5(6) guard skill.
 
neophytal said:
its listed on my list ;)
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So you did, I didn't read that list; figured you were just listing the stats of one of the +guard skill items.
 
You're a mithra tho, skill up parrying shouldn't be hard and it's under 225. AGI on mithra is incridible high.
 
neophytal said:
its listed on my list ;)
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i noticed on your list that you did miss 2 items...
Black Adargas and black adargas +1 for 4 and 5 skill respectively.
 
Corvinus said:
You're a mithra tho, skill up parrying shouldn't be hard and it's under 225. AGI on mithra is incridible high.
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Race really has nothing to do with it. It might be 0.1% easier for me to skillup parrying due to my race, but that's not going to have any real effect comparing between races. Plus, there's people of multiple races who are saying parrying is easier than guard, so race has no real impact on skillups, just like anything else.
 
When it's come to this subject about parrying, I got much to said. Since I tried to cap this forever. Good discussions.
 
Corvinus said:
As like Neo said Elvaan got suck AGI, but last time I heard from Achelois, he got over 300 evasion while I helped fight adamanking awhile ago not parrying. Evanos and Chronicle are elvaan which low AGI, get parrying up not so easy. I would believe you if you said high lvl parrying, but cap is impossible, let see some screenshots. Most of ninja don't get over 225 so easy without PLD first lvled. Eormanric got 250 parrying and his PLD lvl 75, Sneakypants is 260+ and he also got PLD lvl 61, Johhnyb said to me before dynamis run one time that he got 264, he also got both NIN and PLD 75.
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just noticed this one, might wanna point out, not everyone skills up in their evasion gear when they're trying to get parry skill. you might, that might even explain your problems leveling it. it's 269 skill... by the time you've done over 2 million exp in merit pt tanking i'd be willing to bet the average ninja was capped or close to. 2 million isn't unreasonable for someone who has more than one job they are meritting, esp if they do it all as nin.
 
Corvinus said:
When it's come to this subject about parrying, I got much to said. Since I tried to cap this forever. Good discussions.
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you might be good with parry, but just because you have alot of experience with that, doesnt mean you know about guard. you can even talk to people that know about guard, and you still dont know about it.

GUARD is 3x worse than the old SMN magic skill.
 
I took Guard to lvl 50 on my lvl 41 puppetmaster by just sitting around and letting mandies in Buburimu Peninsula whack away at me for hours at a time while my automaton healed me occasionally. It was kinda funny cause I started goofing off on my lvl 17 mnk and from 17 to 18 I got guard to go from 50 to 52.

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http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/1213/skillinuptehguard0qr.jpg
 
Rappa said:
I took Guard to lvl 50 on my lvl 41 puppetmaster by just sitting around and letting mandies in Buburimu Peninsula whack away at me for hours at a time while my automaton healed me occasionally. It was kinda funny cause I started goofing off on my lvl 17 mnk and from 17 to 18 I got guard to go from 50 to 52.

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http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/1213/skillinuptehguard0qr.jpg
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nice use of the rng mob.... i will have to investigate this in yhoat.... >.>
 
neophytal said:
guard skill... how depressing

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:( i think im close to 101 now.. meh sad part is that i tank on monk all the time doing all kinds of skillup and xp and whatnot and still barely raises.. even if it procs decently
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QFT!!


But, there is a way to do it, but it will be VERY boring. Just get a high delay/low damage sword, and equip it, then just equip a shield and go fight some mobs that would lv your shield skill (maybe in Kuftal, that seems about right)

To level parry, get a GS and do the same.
 
Rappa said:
I took Guard to lvl 50 on my lvl 41 puppetmaster by just sitting around and letting mandies in Buburimu Peninsula whack away at me for hours at a time while my automaton healed me occasionally. It was kinda funny cause I started goofing off on my lvl 17 mnk and from 17 to 18 I got guard to go from 50 to 52.

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http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/1213/skillinuptehguard0qr.jpg
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lol thats a really good idea, but will that work for parrying and shield, since the mob youre fighting (I think) has to be the one hitting you?
 
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