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hellstorm said:
there is not a piece in sky that is "necessary" every piece has a near as good gear as there sky counter parts.

As for the zip and mg issue, for a single ls which would be easier to get zip or mg? chances are are you can get mg unless you had 3-4 shells up there at one time which hardly ever happens. ZIp it much harder to obtain because there are always atleast 2-3 ls there. It may pop more, but I be willing to bet your ls will most likely get more mg then they will zips.
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You're the one who said that a single piece of gear is a "bottleneck," glad to see you're understanding that point was wrong finally.

That's still not a bottleneck, that's just competition. Ulli was a bottleneck not because everyone camped it, but because of it's insanely long spawn time. EVERYONE got bottlenecked at Ulli, not just a few linkshells who couldn't claim, everyone. If you get an abundance of MG and can't claim Zip, it's likely that the group claiming Zip can't get MG, so you'll both be out of kirin sets.
 
Bajaratt said:
You're the one who said that a single piece of gear is a "bottleneck," glad to see you're understanding that point was wrong finally.

That's still not a bottleneck, that's just competition. Ulli was a bottleneck not because everyone camped it, but because of it's insanely long spawn time. EVERYONE got bottlenecked at Ulli, not just a few linkshells who couldn't claim, everyone. If you get an abundance of MG and can't claim Zip, it's likely that the group claiming Zip can't get MG, so you'll both be out of kirin sets.
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I didn't bring up A hands for it bottle neck I brought them up for they are wanted more then seiryu's drops meaning genbu pops will most likely be on more demand then seiryu drops; and more shells go after zip because it is the easiest of the bunch, also for money items. Which in long run would make it the bottle neck.

Guess will see in few months which one come the real bottle neck once the old kirin pop sets are used up
 
hellstorm said:
I didn't bring up A hands for it bottle neck I brought them up for they are wanted more then seiryu's drops meaning genbu pops will most likely be on more demand then seiryu drops; and more shells go after zip because it is the easiest of the bunch, also for money items. Which in long run would make it the bottle neck.

Guess will see in few months which one come the real bottle neck once the old kirin pop sets are used up
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You said that Genbu will become the bottle neck because everyone will want A. hands; therefore A. hands are the bottle neck of sky because that's what's keeping everyone there. You're still completely ignoring why Ullikummi was a bottleneck in the first place; it had nothing to do with how valuable Byakko's drops were, it had to do with him having the longest respawn time. The drops were irrelevant, the reason why people camped Zip so much more was because they didn't have to wait 10 hours just to see him spawn so they could camp him much easier.

You're either completely misunderstanding what a bottleneck is or you're vastly overestimating the importance of A. hands. Either way you're wrong.
 
hellstorm said:
there is not a piece in sky that is "necessary" every piece has a near as good gear as there sky counter parts.

As for the zip and mg issue, for a single ls which would be easier to get zip or mg? chances are are you can get mg unless you had 3-4 shells up there at one time which hardly ever happens. ZIp it much harder to obtain because there are always atleast 2-3 ls there. It may pop more, but I be willing to bet your ls will most likely get more mg then they will zips.
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Anything is better than Shura Kote- http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/Shura_Kote
 
Sky whats that oh wait that area with the gods and crap I should go there someday. Na that take time away form making my Moogle Spin in my Mog House now thats fun plus no RMT's to deal with in there.

pro 1 spinning Moogle
pro 2 no RMT to try and make my Moogle spin the other way or use voke bots on him
con total waist of time
 
Bajaratt said:
You said that Genbu will become the bottle neck because everyone will want A. hands; therefore A. hands are the bottle neck of sky because that's what's keeping everyone there. You're still completely ignoring why Ullikummi was a bottleneck in the first place; it had nothing to do with how valuable Byakko's drops were, it had to do with him having the longest respawn time. The drops were irrelevant, the reason why people camped Zip so much more was because they didn't have to wait 10 hours just to see him spawn so they could camp him much easier.

You're either completely misunderstanding what a bottleneck is or you're vastly overestimating the importance of A. hands. Either way you're wrong.
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even if the window as 2-4 hour it still would have been the bottle neck because of it drops.
 
hellstorm said:
even if the window as 2-4 hour it still would have been the bottle neck because of it drops.
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No, it wouldn't. Zip's window is already 2-4 hours, and he's still not a bottleneck. As long as the items that are used to progress(pop items/seals) are guaranteed to drop, the rest of the drops are in no way a bottleneck to progression in sky. You can still fight Kirin even if Genbu only dropped his seal. It's already been explained what a bottleneck is several times now, stop using the word incorrectly.

If the drops were going to be a bottleneck, it'd still be at byakko, because Byakko's Haidate is a fuckton better than A. hands; everyone wants Byakko's Haidate, whereas only blm care about A. hands. More people wanting a better piece of gear would mean that if a drop could be a bottleneck(it can't, this is just for sake of argument), Genbu still wouldn't be a bottleneck. You're wrong either way.
 
duncanrun said:
what is there ls name?
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The name of the RMT LS in sky that is the most annoying is Environment.

I cant remember alot of the names of the people in it, but the two I see the most are Kingmax and Scoffield.

They were holding Kirin on purpose one day for 4 hrs while my LS waited to fight it. They actually wiped when he Astral Flowed and Kirin went yellow for a split second at like 20% health, but we were too slow to steal it.

After about a million GM threats later they finished it and hung around the area while we were fighting Kirin to be a nuisance to us.

They are annoying as hell and they are always waiting around like vultures to steal the mobs from you when you die. So becareful when you fight not to lose your mob to these guys. (They stole byakko from my friends LS as well)
 
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