Snarl: Potential road paving for BST Tanks?

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So, we know of Snarl. New pet ability unique to Familiars.

Well, it's on a 30 second reuse timer. Which is pretty damn sweet. So far, I've only used it in Besieged to ensure I never take hate.

However, in testing, I went to Sea and Voked an Aern, and immediately snarled without having a familiar in combat.. Aern went right for Carrie, and stayed on her until she died. I didn't engage, however. Nor sent Carrie to attack her harasser.

Well, that was kinda cool. I'm on my way to do another test. Going to kick the piss out of a Too Week/Low EP, call a familiar and snarl.
 
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Okay. So I beat down a Beach Bunny. I then called a hare familiar and snarled. Bunny started attacking the familiar. I then provoked, and the bunny was still on the familiar.

So Snarl is a total hate transfer, on a 30 second timer. Know what else is on a 30 second timer?
 
They said they were making some adjustments to possibly make a previous "decently popular" class into more of a tank. Is this possibly it? Sounds mighty spiffy to me
 
Problem with making a BST a tank is that you can't cure them directly. The only way is reward right, and that's on a long timer, right?
 
Bajaratt said:
Problem with making a BST a tank is that you can't cure them directly. The only way is reward right, and that's on a long timer, right?
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Yeah, but SE has stated theres new Reward items on the way that'll decrease timer. You can already merit it down 30 seconds and get one of the 4 bonnets that chop off another 10 seconds, bringing it down from 3 minute reuse to 2:20. With the right equipment, you can break 600 HP easily. Then add in the regen(which is also meritable) and Stay's HP recovery.

My test with Voke => Snarl on the Aern, Carrie died from 24 hits + 2 Ninjutsu Nis, totalling 2961 damage. I also do not have Amir Dirs or Breeders Mask and Gloves to boost defense.

I'm not saying it's possible right now. But with the way Snarl works, it certainly seems possible. As of right now, Snarl pretty much eliminates the need to go /nin in a party, unless whatever you're fighting has AoEs that are absorbed by Utsusemi.
 
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I like where this is going. About time BST caught a break. My question is, do BST's really want to be turned into a tank though? Well, either way, no matter what SE does to the job, its the players will ultimately mold the job into the category it is best suited for.
 
Excim said:
I like where this is going. About time BST caught a break. My question is, do BST's really want to be turned into a tank though? Well, either way, no matter what SE does to the job, its the players will ultimately mold the job into the category it is best suited for.
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It's not really so much the job becoming a tank. But the job becoming DD that places Enmity on their own tank.

Theres also charmed mobs, which are far stronger than familiars, and you cannot use Snarl with.
 
Regardless of it's party use, it seem like a good practical ability to have period. Would of saved me a few times anyway while leveling up.
 
Testing the Stay regen on a Sand Beetle, it increases every 2 tics.

3%, 3%, 5%, 5%, 7%, 7%, 9%, 9% 11%

By the 11% it was cured to full.

The snarl move is nice. Wish it would work on natural pets though.
 
I don't see this paving the road to anything like a BST tank, really. Carrie is an awesome tank and I'm glad she now has Provoke to add to it, but she's still going to get her ass handed to her by most mobs in a one-on-one situation. I'm sure it'll be a great relief to the BSTs who never charm anything and use jug pets exclusively, though.

If they added the ability to charmed pets, I could totally see it... although I can't imagine them wanting to break the game that much.
 
Didnt SE say danncer was for low # parties? perhands they want you to go after EM-T monsters in small groups and have carrie/lars tank that?
I'm not a bst so I cant really say if going against somethiing a few levels down will help.
 
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I don't see this paving the road to anything like a BST tank, really.
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Also keep in mind Snarl only puts the BST hate on the pet, not the party's. Will a pet be able to hold hate vs other DDs and mages bomb curing or nuking? For a BST to be a party tank, he'd have to out-dd or out-hate other DDs and then place it on the pet.
 
Veresko said:
Also keep in mind Snarl only puts the BST hate on the pet, not the party's. Will a pet be able to hold hate vs other DDs and mages bomb curing or nuking? For a BST to be a party tank, he'd have to out-dd or out-hate other DDs and then place it on the pet.
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Read above. BST/WAR: Provoke > Snarl works. It completely gives familiars ALL your enmity. Then realize they also generate their own, I'd say it's more than completely possible.
 
I'm sure with a decent amount of enm+, provoke, charm spam and snarl you can turn a good amount of hate, espescially if you are a decently geared and meritted /war BST. Not game breaking; honestly I'd think if someone had a temp axe they'd /nin anyway if they were pting. Amazing solo, duo bst onry tool though.
 
Skaw said:
Read above. BST/WAR: Provoke > Snarl works. It completely gives familiars ALL your enmity. Then realize they also generate their own, I'd say it's more than completely possible.
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At least until the jug pet dies, which doesn't take very long, and then it's chewing your face off all over again. I know they cut the xp penalty from jug pets and followed suit with charmed pets much later, but I honestly can't see them making the same progression with Snarl. It would be awesome, though.
 
I know it's not possible with the way things are currently, but who knows what else will be done in the coming months with the job adjustments.
 
Didnt SE say danncer was for low # parties? perhands they want you to go after EM-T monsters in small groups and have carrie/lars tank that?
I'm not a bst so I cant really say if going against somethiing a few levels down will help
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There have been posts on the bst boards on Alla where people are saying CC got a pretty big boost. Some are saying CC can now take on T's and live (never really could do that safely before)

If CC can take it and dish it out on higher lvl mobs Snarl would give it a pretty damn big Emnity boost. Along with the upped regen there may just be a place for low # parties with bst jug tanks.

Random Thought: Cor's have a pet buff roll. Sounds very helpfull now.
 
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