Some cool names

[Uzor]

And to add, I'm not sure how you can pos hack and bot limbus =/ I'm sure voke botting Fafnir, Aspidochelone and Behemoth in Limbus will do you much good.

 

[Dowzer]

? ? ?

I only obtained a Pixing earring, e.legs/hands, and w.head from HA. Did I benefit? Yes, not only from those items but from participating in the HNM fights, pop NMs, general farming, and sky events. Being able to engage a king because someone else bot claimed it is benefiting, regardless of getting a drop. Did they benefit from me? Obviously, I helped them with a few claims.

I don't see how your situation is any different, Uzor...

 

[Uzor]

Because I only got Nashira Seraweels in zone where hacking is useless. Sure, they were there, and they got their gear through hacking, and if you want to go that far, then yes. But in that case, Aldiel's LS and everyone he merits with are guilty for assosiatign with the largest gilbuyer on the server. Hell, he bought enough gil to not only get his goldsmithing up to 90 (newsflash people, his goldsmithing isn't 100 like he fools most people to believe), he also bought enough gil to get him all the coins for Excalibur.

I remember posting that before, but apparently his LS prefers to ignore this tedious fact, because apparently he's too valuable to kick.

 

[Romper]

Not jumping on the bash-romper-bandwagon since I don't really have any kinda beef with you (aside from YOU RENOUNCED THE WAYS OF THE RACCOON), but {Redundancy}{Do you have it?}

<3lessthanthree

I didn't renounce but this Trip avatar on top of not g'damn batman is awesome. I could get an Adam West Batman avatar and have something about him being a gay pedo.

 

[Uzor]

Also, Jyukatsu:

i dont want to sound mean dude... But by the way you are posting it almost seems like you "knew" that these people were hacking :\

Yes, I did know.

 

[Dowzer]

And to add, I'm not sure how you can pos hack and bot limbus =/ I'm sure voke botting Fafnir, Aspidochelone and Behemoth in Limbus will do you much good.

And furthermore... You argue about Kaizen's "hollier than thou" attitude and then feed us this bull? Do you think people here are stupid? Your condescending attitude is really pointing in that direction.

Of course people know it would be pointless to voke bot those mobs in Limbus.

 

[Dowzer]

Yes, I did know.

Case closed. You're no better than them.

 

[Uzor]

And furthermore... You argue about Kaizen's "hollier than thou" attitude and then feed us this bull? Do you think people here are stupid? Your condescending attitude is really pointing in that direction.

Of course people know it would be pointless to voke bot those mobs in Limbus.

Well, I'm glad you agree. So I'm not sure how I benefitted from their voke botting, unless you're talking about them obtaining gear through dirty means and then doing Limbus with me, in which case I'd still like to know why Aldiel is still in his Dynamis shell.

 

[Uzor]

Case closed. You're no better than them.

I don't think I've said I am in this thread either. Doesn't change the fact that I am greatly entertained :nyam:

 

[beeznuts]

Well, I'm glad you agree. So I'm not sure how I benefitted from their voke botting, unless you're talking about them obtaining gear through dirty means and then doing Limbus with me, in which case I'd still like to know why Aldiel is still in his Dynamis shell.

Hey guys, did you know there's only one cheat, the vokebot?

 

[Phraust]

You bring it on yourselves with the attitude you present. Your shell came in here and by grand numbers started pointing fingers at everyone. What did you expect? You didn't expect anyone to point out the blatant hypocrosy? Or you want to play the ignorant card per usual? Maybe the friend's defense?

I actually want to know, are you friends with Mistra? I know it's a rather personal question, but what do you think of him now that you've seen the link? You're free to ignore, I would understand as it is a bit personal and I'm not trying to be an ass either.

The attitude we present?

You can shut the fuck up to. You come running at us like a fucking crazy person every time you can, of course we're going to think you're fucking nuts. You're like the fucked up drun ex-girlfriend that's in the streets naked screaming "WHY WON"T YOU LOVE ME!!!"

Dude, we're good people, but you treat us like shit because we're good at what we do, we're not going to just turn the other cheek. Wtf are we suppose to do you dumbass? "Oh Lavi's being a dipshit and flinging poo at us like the monkey they are... We better just open our mouths ad take it!" no... You're a dipshit, and you are a spiteful jealous one, because you suck, and you are on the outside. That's not use being elitist, that's us thinking YOU are a dipshit. Because we don't like YOU, and others of your ilk. Sorry we don't accept gimps, sorry we don't try to excuse the Blitz Ring wearing Wars, and the Brd subbing Whms, But there's a reason we are able to do the things we do, and it ain't by cheating, and it ain't by lowering our standards. It' snot being elitist, it's being realistic. Would you hire an uneducated dipshit with a room temurature IQ to run a division in your company? No.

On top of all that, You, Lavi of Quetzalcoatl, assume so much all the time. It's like you got a tumor in your brain that destroys the thing that separates fact from fiction. You assume "Facts" in your brain, yoiu make no effort to actually seek the truth. Mistra and I have had all of 3 conversations in our gaming career, and all three were pretty much the following:

1) M: You ready for the merit party?
P: Yeah.

2) M: you ready for the merit party?
P: Yeah.

3) M: you ready for the merit party? I need just a sec to finish assaults.
P: Yeah. Can we invite Antdog? lol
M: lolantdog.

that's it.
If you call that being friends then whatever. Either way, you're blind ass can't even see that Mistra got thier account WAY after the original BDF had apparen'ty bought the hax and quit.

SO you my lovely little tart, can shut the fuck up too.

 

[Uzor]

Hey guys, did you know there's only one cheat, the vokebot?

I'm sure the map hack, despite there being no map, the flee hack, despite the mobs dying in 1 min tops and thus not needing to be kited, or the lovely draw-in from Ultima, makes the flee hack of great use. I suppose a click-and-teleport map hack that requires there to actually be a map for the zone were of much use too.

 

[Bajaratt]

Wow, you guys truely are stupid. You still can't seem to get it in your thick head that I got exactly nothing except for Nashira Seraweels from OH, so I'm still unsure of how exactly I benefited from it

We understand that you didn't get a shitload of items from them, but what YOU are too stupid to understand(although garvin explained it a little clearer) is that it doesn't matter what you got. So you got Nashira legs from OH, since you can't solo Ultima, you must have had a bunch of other OH people there. The rest of those members most likely benefited more directly from the hacking, which you in turn benefited from by having a stronger linkshell. You don't need monetary gain to be an accessory, but apparently that level of concept is just over your head, but I'm not surprised.

 

[Vilurum]

And to you statistics nerds with your probability charts. Just because all these shells got fucking cheaters in them doesn't mean there's a 33% chance or whatever we do. Birds of a fucking feather bitches. You get higher concentrations of those fuckwads in those shells because we don't accept applications from them. We stick to good skilled players, and have a pretty open door policy on recuriting. No we're not elitist, we're just called elitist by people who are shit.

I don't believe Kaizen endorses botting. I don't believe Kaizen would let a confirmed botter remain in the shell. I don't believe you personally know or even suspect anyone in the shell of botting.

But that doesn't mean I believe your blanket statement has any impressive amount of statistical confidence either. All it would take for it to be wrong is *one* person botting (even occasionally) and flying under the radar, while paying lip service to the anti-bot shell attitude so convincingly that nobody in or out of the shell suspected otherwise. That wouldn't change any of the statements in the above paragraph (which, honestly, are more important than the blanket statement). But it would still invalidate the blanket statement.

 

[Dowzer]

I don't think I've said I am in this thread either. Doesn't change the fact that I am greatly entertained :nyam:

I was insinuating you said that, I was only stating it.

Well, I'm glad you agree. So I'm not sure how I benefitted from their voke botting, unless you're talking about them obtaining gear through dirty means and then doing Limbus with me, in which case I'd still like to know why Aldiel is still in his Dynamis shell.

I don't agree with you. They have every right to hold that attitude (sans the Demir fiasco) and to look down on those who think otherwise. There has never been heavy speculation/assumption towards them for cheating to my knowledge.

You've benefited through the experience of being with a linkshell, albeit through missions, NMs, exping, I think you get the idea.

And of course the same would apply to playing with a gilbuyer, imo that's worse than a hacker.

 

[Rayn]

Since this is a topic on hacking,

Could someone enlighten me as to what "flee hacking" is? I could only infer that it is the JA Flee given without THF main or over /25 THF sub. Anyways I play on PS2 so I never got interested in learning how to hack nor what they comprise of since I am not aware of a PS2 even having those capabilities.

Anyways my question...

What BLM/RDM soloing Puddings in Mount Zhayolm(sp) uses a Flee Hack? I mean with Gravity an increase in movement speed would not be as important with the mob's reduced movement speed. I noticed this last night and no I was not lagging out either. Thanks for any information regarding this.

 

[Uzor]

We understand that you didn't get a shitload of items from them, but what YOU are too stupid to understand(although garvin explained it a little clearer) is that it doesn't matter what you got. So you got Nashira legs from OH, since you can't solo Ultima, you must have had a bunch of other OH people there. The rest of those members most likely benefited more directly from the hacking, which you in turn benefited from by having a stronger linkshell. You don't need monetary gain to be an accessory, but apparently that level of concept is just over your head, but I'm not surprised.

No, I get what your saying. My point, however, is the one item I did gain, were not obtained through illegal means. Yes, I did get help by people that got their items through illegal means, but no hacking in itself were done on the item I did get. But yes, if you go a step further and say that they hacked, and thus I benefited from illegal means because they got their items through illegal means, then yes, I am a guilty, dirty whore. But I don't really care about that.

I'd still like to know what Decidence (who were also on the list), and the rest of PerfectAtaraxia says about Aldiel and his Excalibur. All of them, too, benefit from ill-gained goods.

 

[Dowzer]

EDIT: I wasn't insinuating you said that, I was only stating it. ***

 

[Nyett]

On top of all that, You, Lavi of Quetzalcoatl, assume so much all the time. It's like you got a tumor in your brain that destroys the thing that separates fact from fiction. You assume "Facts" in your brain, you make no effort to actually seek the truth.

This was a home run.

 

[Uzor]

I was insinuating you said that, I was only stating it.



I don't agree with you. They have every right to hold that attitude (sans the Demir fiasco) and to look down on those who think otherwise. There has never been heavy speculation/assumption towards them for cheating to my knowledge.

You've benefited through the experience of being with a linkshell, albeit through missions, NMs, exping, I think you get the idea.

And of course the same would apply to playing with a gilbuyer, imo that's worse than a hacker.

I'm sure you'll be glad to know that I did Sea and ToAU missions with people outside of OH then, so I didn't really gain anything from those. And I despise exping, so I've got most of my merits through manaburning.