Soulstar ninjalotted YYR from Myrrh

[exodusamphi]

you're entire position hinges on the assumption that he wouldn't be back the next day, correct?

As noted in this thread, that's false.

Leaders#1 and #2 down. Anyone else from TBH wanna step up and get shot down?

I dont understand the hostility that is going towards the LS, please stop belittling the members. Like I said before, and you probably skipped right over it, your not in the LS, you (and everyone else on here besides Tim Eva Enny Xean Zer and Myyrh) havent seen how this LS or its leaders work (good or bad). So seriously, please stop.

 

[Tagrineth]

So wait, Xean, you assumed Myrrh was a gear whore purely based on him talking in LS and COMPLETELY IGNORED HIS PATTERN OF HELPING PEOPLE FOR NOTHING IN RETURN IN THE LS up to that point?

What the FUCK kind of leadership is that?

 

[Zoolander]

I'll outright declare it here first: I told Soulstar that Myrrh (and the others with him) was not to be trusted with future endeavors towards obtaining the YYR after having received his own first.

I have noticed the behaviors Myrrh exhibited in my LS that displayed characteristics of gearwhoring. One of the most prominent examples of this include a dispute that Myrrh had with another LS member whom is very trusted, Alianne. Alianne has been designated with officer status and endowed with a pearlsack. Those in officer status have authority to maintain control within the LS when problems break out. They are not to be freely exercise and abuse this power, and it has not. There was already one occasion during which Alianne disclosed his dislike of Myrrh's boasting about the gear he owns. It happened once, and it happened another time. Myrrh again did the same thing that he was made aware of that would disgruntle an officer. Though this particular issue was handled within the LS, it succeeded in exposing Myrrh's ego and coveting of virtual equipment.

Though Myrrh would continue cursing, speaking of vulgar topics, and exasperating some members within the LS beyond the boundaries set by the linkshell rules, I did not want to remove him. In the beginning of his time joining us, I was aware of the help he was giving out to other members. This, I felt, superceded his language that really hardly harmed anyone. That was something that did stand out to me, and was pleased with. However, I was becoming disappointed as I noticed a gradual change towards selectiveness. Though it was never enough to me to warrant a removal, going with mostly his preferences showed, to an extent, a degree of selfishness. It is normal for members to become closer friends with some members than others, but to have favoritism in who to help out is something that goes against one of the tenets of the linkshell.

More concrete examples that Myrrh would be selfish when it comes to gear were made aware to me when my friend Anderoc had told me that, in endgame shells, Myrrh would be one to occasionally lot gear despite it being agreed that another member would make better use of it or was planned to lot on it. An example of this was when Necrosis was lotting for Goliard Clogs but then Myrrh suddenly lotted it, won, and said that he only lotted to beat out Necrosis.

All of this was enough for me to consider it too much a risk for Soulstar to allow Myrrh to obtain YYR.

Are you serious? This "evidence" for not being able to trust Myrrh is a joke. Theres nothing there but alot of heresay and a lack of any first hand information or facts to go on.

Also, bolded for major LOL. The same Anderoc that jacked millions of gil worth of gear that was placed in his hands by an alleged friend.

 

[jyakotsu]

tim i respect you dude.

BUT anyone that was there today has a say in this.... Funny... the two that told the person to ninja lot it, weren't even there today helping... Instead they were exping on lvl 60 jobs..... Great leadership thar!

You shouldn't control who lots what if you aint even there and you didn't hear anything that was agreed upon before the NM..... thats called What jeska said... Nazi-esk?

 

[exodusamphi]

These LS leaders are either very foolish or very drunk to say what they did, Nice support for somebody in your own Linkshell there Zera, Paladin of Valor ha!

Good grief man your LS sounds like Nazi germany, so if somebody brags a little about their gear they are subject to this kind of treatment? Nice Social shell there

Point out any functioning decent member sized social LS that doesnt put the duty of maintaining an LS on sack holder while the shell holder is out... Id like to see you try.

 

[Xean]

you're entire position hinges on the assumption that he wouldn't be back the next day, correct?

As noted in this thread, that's false.

Leaders#1 and #2 down. Anyone else from TBH wanna step up and get shot down?

And you can't prove that we, and me personally, wouldn't go to help Myrrh if he wanted to, either.

You haven't provided a single supported counterpoint to anything I have said.

 

[jyakotsu]

I dont understand the hostility that is going towards the LS, please stop belittling the members. Like I said before, and you probably skipped right over it, your not in the LS, you (and everyone else on here besides Tim Eva Enny Xean Zer and Myyrh) havent seen how this LS or its leaders work (good or bad). So seriously, please stop.

i am saying all this, because A. i have read ALL LS TALK about this matter in the ls chat. And B. I was there in attendence AND I FUCKING NEVER SAW SOULSTAR THERE CAMPING TOD.

 

[Bigboy]

if the leaders of a shell distrust their members so much, why are they still in the shell? It sounds like someone was getting jealous because myrhh was happy with his gear and voiced it. Considering his accrual rate for it, I would be rather proud myself. The fact that someone else got bothered by it should have made you worry about that member that was made a sackholder, not create the opinion that such a person was a gear hoarder. I don't even know how one draws those conclusions.

Basically, it sounds like there was a nice cliche in the leadership of the shell.

 

[Myrrh]

I don't care is TBH helped me ever again. It's the fact that they fucked me over like that. Had Soul told me he wanted to lot today I would have said yes. But he didn't he waiting till the last second to fuck someone who worked harder then him. GG

 

[Marajade]

I dont understand the hostility that is going towards the LS, please stop belittling the members. Like I said before, and you probably skipped right over it, your not in the LS, you (and everyone else on here besides Tim Eva Enny Xean Zer and Myyrh) havent seen how this LS or its leaders work (good or bad). So seriously, please stop.

THIS IS FLAMEBOARD!!!!!

ahem.

Because i'm not in the LS, i cant possibly see when a leader is being a dick, when all the information on the topic is posted right there for me to see?

Myrrh helps people. Xean is seemingly ignorant of that fact (willfully or not) and procedes to instruct someone to do an unethical act against pre-agreed arrangements in order to screw over a different LS member (who he noted he didn't like that much but didn't kick because he'd not actually done anything wrong) and then this member then goes and does said unethical thing.

Nope, i'm pretty sure i have a good handle on this.

 

[exodusamphi]

i am saying all this, because A. i have read ALL LS TALK about this matter in the ls chat. And B. I was there in attendence AND I FUCKING NEVER SAW SOULSTAR THERE CAMPING TOD.

OH YEAH? WELL I HAVE A BIGGER LONGENTIVITY BAR THAN YOU!

Kidding, I was mainly referreing to Marajade's callout of the LS, not your stuff. The events relating to this flame you have all rights to talk about, but since TBH got called out im inclined to put my say in there regarding the shell. Im not talkin about the ninjalot that happened. Sorry if i didnt make that clear.

 

[Tagrineth]

And you can't prove that we, and me personally, wouldn't go to help Myrrh if he wanted to, either.

You haven't provided a single supported counterpoint to anything I have said.

Point: Myrrh is a gear whore who wouldn't come out to help anyone else if he got his YYR

counterpoint: you're a fucking moron

 

[Xean]

Are you serious? This "evidence" for not being able to trust Myrrh is a joke. Theres nothing there but alot of heresay and a lack of any first hand information or facts to go on.

Also, bolded for major LOL. The same Anderoc that jacked millions of gil worth of gear that was placed in his hands by an alleged friend.

You too? Member of a hacking shell?

Yeah, all that was given second-hand by other people. NO, I first-hand saw all those things concerning my LS. And don't even try to argue that garbage about Anderoc stealing gear. He was given something because someone planned TO QUIT THE GAME. That makes it his. Now, if he wouldn't wanna give it back, that makes someone greedy, but it's not stealing.

 

[Bigboy]

I dont understand the hostility that is going towards the LS, please stop belittling the members. Like I said before, and you probably skipped right over it, your not in the LS, you (and everyone else on here besides Tim Eva Enny Xean Zer and Myyrh) havent seen how this LS or its leaders work (good or bad). So seriously, please stop.

Shut up carebare. This whole issue was brought to the public. If you wanna comment, fine. Don't tell others they have no business doing so though.

 

[exodusamphi]

Shut up carebare. This whole issue was brought to the public. If you wanna comment, fine. Don't tell others they have no business doing so though.

I love how you resort to 7th grade name calling, very "big" on your part.

And Mara, me and Tim are the only ones stepping in who werent directly involved, so why are you calling out more TBH members?

 

[Jeska]

Point out any functioning decent member sized social LS that doesnt put the duty of maintaining an LS on sack holder while the shell holder is out... Id like to see you try.

Been there done that, I have been a sack holder before and trust me I dont make assumptions on people due to them talking about how good there gear is. That is just plain petty thinking that someone is bad because they talk about how good their gear is.

Abuse of power or petty envy, either way emotions ran into decisons made there.

 

[Beka]

Xean makes this sound like a TBH sponsored event. It wasn't. Myrrh's been camping TOD on his own, and rounding people up from both his shells to help when he could. I was there the night previous and did not see anyone from TBH there, only some Fury members. Also, tonight, from what I could tell, there was mostly Fury members. We came out there to get Myrrh his robe. Not to get all the SMN of TBH their robes. We came out there on the assumption that Myrrh would be the only one lotting. So to decide, because a couple of your LS members happened to be there too, that it was a TBH event and that you had a right to say who could lot, is very pompous and arrogant, Xean.

 

[Marajade]

And you can't prove that we, and me personally, wouldn't go to help Myrrh if he wanted to, either.

No, i can't. But apperantly you could prove that Myrrh wouldn't be there tomorow, and thus told Soul that he better lot the robe or else he'd be up shit creek.

You haven't provided a single supported counterpoint to anything I have said.

I don't have to, It's all over the thread. the only thing that came close to keeping your actions out of "scum" level was your position that Myrrh wouldn't show up to future camps, and that he's a lootwhore (the real term, for all you people using the incorrect "gearwhore" term)

 

[exodusamphi]

Been there done that, I have been a sack holder before and trust me I dont make assumptions on people due to them talking about how good there gear is. That is just plain petty thinking that someone is bad because they talk about how good their gear is.

Abuse of power or petty envy, either way emotions ran into decisons made there.

Yeah that whole /quote on my part was directly related to how pearlsacks had the duty to help maintain order, not about the whole gear thing, thats another issue all in itself.

 

[Tagrineth]

Lemme spell this out for you Xean

You had Soul ninja-lot (IN YOUR OWN WORDS) because you didn't trust Myrrh.

Ever heard the phrase "two wrongs don't make a right" or did you ever listen to mommy when you were a lil baby? Assuming the worst in others brings out the worst in yourself.