Soulstar ninjalotted YYR from Myrrh

[Bigboy]

I love how you resort to 7th grade name calling, very "big" on your part.

And Mara, me and Tim are the only ones stepping in who werent directly involved, so why are you calling out more TBH members?

I just call it like it is. Smart guys like you should know better than to try and censor people on the internet.

 

[jyakotsu]

OH YEAH? WELL I HAVE A BIGGER LONGENTIVITY BAR THAN YOU!

Kidding, I was mainly referreing to Marajade's callout of the LS, not your stuff. The events relating to this flame you have all rights to talk about, but since TBH got called out im inclined to put my say in there regarding the shell. Im not talkin about the ninjalot that happened. Sorry if i didnt make that clear.

Ok exodus, would you rather me embarass those who said its right what w/e the fuck that dumbass smns name, is?

I mean i can make a list and post the SS of the LS chat... I did not post it because Xean made a complete liar/dumbass outta himself and zerayla. He called Zerayla a liar in his post, and said basically what i was going to post regarding ls chat. I Do not want to list names because then its a hit list. A greater portion of your linkshell was in agreement w/ the ninja lot so i call your linkshell out. If you like i'll post the SS though.

 

[Marajade]

You too? Member of a hacking shell?

 

[exodusamphi]

Ok exodus, would you rather me embarass those who said its right what w/e the fuck that dumbass smns name, is?

I mean i can make a list and post the SS of the LS chat... I did not post it because Xean made a complete liar/dumbass outta himself and zerayla. He called Zerayla a liar in his post, and said basically what i was going to post regarding ls chat. I Do not want to list names because then its a hit list. A greater portion of your linkshell was in agreement w/ the ninja lot so i call your linkshell out. If you like i'll post the SS though.

Ill take your word for it. Like I said, I wasnt there, and I wasnt calling you out. Ill just keep out of your hair >.>

 

[Xean]

I don't care is TBH helped me ever again. It's the fact that they fucked me over like that. Had Soul told me he wanted to lot today I would have said yes. But he didn't he waiting till the last second to fuck someone who worked harder then him. GG

You STILL don't deny anything. You not caring is EXACTLY the whole point. You DON'T care.

if the leaders of a shell distrust their members so much, why are they still in the shell? It sounds like someone was getting jealous because myrhh was happy with his gear and voiced it. Considering his accrual rate for it, I would be rather proud myself. The fact that someone else got bothered by it should have made you worry about that member that was made a sackholder, not create the opinion that such a person was a gear hoarder. I don't even know how one draws those conclusions.

Basically, it sounds like there was a nice cliche in the leadership of the shell.

Wrong. I, personally, disagreed with the sackholder's feelings because someone was boasting about gear. I don't give a crap about gear like people who waste their lives on this game do, so I don't have those feelings. That issue wasn't handled one-sidedly. BOTH members were asked to refrain from doing both their wrongs.

Myrrh helps people. Xean is seemingly ignorant of that fact (willfully or not) and procedes to instruct someone to do an unethical act against pre-agreed arrangements in order to screw over a different LS member (who he noted he didn't like that much but didn't kick because he'd not actually done anything wrong) and then this member then goes and does said unethical thing.

This really doesn't matter when we still offered to help Myrrh. And I'm ignorant of Myrrh helping people. Why don't you actually read my post? I stated it all in there. You still have nothing good to support what you're saying.

Point: Myrrh is a gear whore who wouldn't come out to help anyone else if he got his YYR

counterpoint: you're a fucking moron

You're really skilled at insulting someone. :tup:

 

[Lenneth]

Since I was the one that told Soulstar to lot, I am the one who should respond. I am the largest proponent of my conviction which I will now explicate.

I'll outright declare it here first: I told Soulstar that Myrrh (and the others with him) was not to be trusted with future endeavors towards obtaining the YYR after having received his own first.

I have noticed the behaviors Myrrh exhibited in my LS that displayed characteristics of gearwhoring. One of the most prominent examples of this include a dispute that Myrrh had with another LS member whom is very trusted, Alianne. Alianne has been designated with officer status and endowed with a pearlsack. Those in officer status have authority to maintain control within the LS when problems break out. They are not to be freely exercise and abuse this power, and it has not. There was already one occasion during which Alianne disclosed his dislike of Myrrh's boasting about the gear he owns. It happened once, and it happened another time. Myrrh again did the same thing that he was made aware of that would disgruntle an officer. Though this particular issue was handled within the LS, it succeeded in exposing Myrrh's ego and coveting of virtual equipment.

Though Myrrh would continue cursing, speaking of vulgar topics, and exasperating some members within the LS beyond the boundaries set by the linkshell rules, I did not want to remove him. In the beginning of his time joining us, I was aware of the help he was giving out to other members. This, I felt, superceded his language that really hardly harmed anyone. That was something that did stand out to me, and was pleased with. However, I was becoming disappointed as I noticed a gradual change towards selectiveness. Though it was never enough to me to warrant a removal, going with mostly his preferences showed, to an extent, a degree of selfishness. It is normal for members to become closer friends with some members than others, but to have favoritism in who to help out is something that goes against one of the tenets of the linkshell.

More concrete examples that Myrrh would be selfish when it comes to gear were made aware to me when my friend Anderoc had told me that, in endgame shells, Myrrh would be one to occasionally lot gear despite it being agreed that another member would make better use of it or was planned to lot on it. An example of this was when Necrosis was lotting for Goliard Clogs but then Myrrh suddenly lotted it, won, and said that he only lotted to beat out Necrosis.

All of this was enough for me to consider it too much a risk for Soulstar to allow Myrrh to obtain YYR. Both Myrrh and Soulstar were working keeping up Shikigami's ToD. What Soulstar already had in mind was for the high level SMNs in the LS, including Myrrh, to get their YYR. This was shown in the following image, quote: "We need to pimp out our SMNs!" Despite Soulstar's enthusiasm, throughout the rest of the topic Myrrh had never responded to that. Alone, it neither shows that Myrrh did nor did not plan to help the other SMNs get their gear. But consider what was already mentioned, and what will be mentioned.

After I had told Soulstar to not trust Myrrh and should lot on the YYR. Peculiarly, Myrrh confronted Soulstar today with the proposition that were the YYR were to drop from Shikigami, Myrrh would be the only one to lot and thus be exclusively entitled to the drop. Soulstar conceded, eclipsing his own fears of the item dropping and going specifically to one person. The peculiar thing was that Myrrh even proposed that he be the one to first obtain the YYR. Since he is not the only SMN in the LS, and considering our LS promotes community rather than individualism, it would have been second nature to assume that all LS SMNs were entitled to the YYR were it to drop, if they were there camping of course. Instead, Myrrh followed the behaviors that correlate with the characteristics typical to self-interests. Adding to this, most of the argument from those on the other side is that Myrrh was keeping up the ToD for a longer period of time before Soulstar began. This really is irrelevant within the context of our linkshell, and exposes the self-centeredness of some people. This would have proven to be irrelevant if Shikigami continued not dropping and Soulstar would keep following up with the ToD.

After the lot was done and Soulstar obtained the YYR, I sent a /tell to Myrrh disclosing that I was the one who told him to lot the item when I was aware of his friends verbally assaulting Soulstar. I said to Myrrh why I told Soulstar to lot, which was that Myrrh was not to be trusted, as stated in the beginning of this post. Myrrh never responded to me when I told him that he couldn't be relied upon to exert the effort to help Soulstar get his own YYR. In the beginning, there might be occasional times camping, but analogous to helping other LS members in general, it would have dwindled down to little or no time and effort given.

First, the image of me /telling Myrrh:

It is not apparent in that image that he never responded to me afterwards, if not for the following:

The first omission that of not replying to my open distrust of Myrrh in relation to gear indicated that either he was far too upset to want to denounce it or the unspoken admittance to the truth. Though that can be open to opposing interpretations, I am one to stand on the belief that it is far more likely that not denouncing a claim is a silent surrender. This does not completely toss out the possibility that one would be too frustrated to want to do anything but be frustrated. However, for the rest of the night, I was still not confronted with a denouncement of my supposition. As the previous image shows, I was met with hostility some time after the incident. I was accused of repeating an action, which in fact could not even be repeated since Alianne had announced ahead of time that his internet connection would be down. For the past week, this has shown to be the case and continues to be so. I have already personally been to Shikigami with Myrrh, and if I really was one to condone and even encourage gear theft, I would have already told Zerayla to plan on lotting a YYR if it dropped since she plans to get SMN up at some point. On this particular case between Soulstar and Myrrh, our disagreements led to an argument. This argument wouldn't have to happen today because it already would have if I had told her to plan on doing it herself before.

Do I encourage ninjalotting? No. If this were the case, it would have already been committed before during the past KSNM runs and fairly recent Ohat run between our LS and some PhoenixPimps members, including Cmdrfly himself. What I do encourage is prevention of naivety and to being used. It was done that way because I was only made aware of this after Myrrh's lot on the YYR was made, which was too late for us to have talked between Myrrh and Soulstar to discard the ordering of YYR lotting. Had I been made aware of this before the lotting or mob even popped, I would have made sure that BOTH members were entitled to the gear.

I've known myrrh IRL a long time and might I say your lies and slander of him sicken me, he's much better then the shit you accuse him of? Loot whoring? don't make me fugging laugh he's the most selfless dude I've ever known IRL and in game. I would like to say more, but its getting late for me so it wouldn't make alot of sense.

 

[Zoolander]

You too? Member of a hacking shell?

Yeah, all that was given second-hand by other people. NO, I first-hand saw all those things concerning my LS. And don't even try to argue that garbage about Anderoc stealing gear. He was given something because someone planned TO QUIT THE GAME. That makes it his. Now, if he wouldn't wanna give it back, that makes someone greedy, but it's not stealing.

What exactly is ALL those things? Since when is being proud of your gear and cussing in LS chat grounds for "not being trusted?" Your evidence is a joke. You cite two examples, one of which was confirmed to be false by people in said assault static, and another about him pissing off some officer.

Not to mention the fact that it wasn't even an event comprised of just your LS. You were in no position to make such a call when every person there so far has stated they were under the assumption it was Myrrhs.

And yea, I'm in "that hacking LS." Not sure what that has to do with this discussion, but GREAT counter-point.

 

[Tim Wakefield]

Been there done that, I have been a sack holder before and trust me I dont make assumptions on people due to them talking about how good there gear is. That is just plain petty thinking that someone is bad because they talk about how good their gear is.

Abuse of power or petty envy, either way emotions ran into decisons made there.

You missed the point. Not by your own fault, but simply by not being a member of our LS.

We try and stay away from the whole gear-bragging deal, because it IS a social LS. Alot of the members don't have alot of time to play, or just play for fun, and will never see any of the endgame gear that others have attained. If someone lands a god-piece or whatever, then we congratulate them. No harm done. But when people keep talking about their gear and how they're 5/5 AF2 and blah blah blah, it gets disheartening for the other members who have worked so hard, but dedicate themselves to helping other LS members than joining a Sky LS. Its been a policy that they have stuck by for ages, and it is pretty well-known to all members.

 

[Sharpe]

I personally have lost all respect for Zer and Xean. If I was still on Quetz i'd come help Myrhh

 

[Tagrineth]

You're really skilled at insulting someone.

I just don't care to try harder. It's more fun resorting to the basics anyway, you get more amusing reactions.

 

[Xean]

I mean i can make a list and post the SS of the LS chat... I did not post it because Xean made a complete liar/dumbass outta himself and zerayla. He called Zerayla a liar in his post, and said basically what i was going to post regarding ls chat. I Do not want to list names because then its a hit list. A greater portion of your linkshell was in agreement w/ the ninja lot so i call your linkshell out. If you like i'll post the SS though.

And I called Zerayla a liar how? YOU claimed she agreed with the lot. Because I say something that contradicts your story, doesn't mean I'm calling her a liar.

 

[Myrrh]

Oh i'm sorry Xean. You're right. I should have taken your offer to help after the you just fucked me over. HOW TERRIBLY EVIL OF ME.

 

[exodusamphi]

I just call it like it is. Smart guys like you should know better than to try and censor people on the internet.

How is requesting someone to stop calling out people in an LS being a "smart guy"? Its simply me requesting Mara to stop calling members who troll this board from TBH out. Thats pure flamebait right there. Call it repect for my shell or whatever, i still stand by my post.

And you seriously need to stop with the name calling, i was done with that in high school.

 

[Mishaela]

you're entire position hinges on the assumption that he wouldn't be back the next day, correct?

As noted in this thread, that's false.

Leaders#1 and #2 down. Anyone else from TBH wanna step up and get shot down?

I think the kicker here is that he worries so much about Myrrh "not showing once he gets his YYR", and yet for some inexplicable reason, isn't worried about Soulstar not-showing after getting his...when he's not shown at all in the past, from what I've heard. Semi-off-topic, but regarding the "it's just a YYR" - they drop at a recorded rate of 10~20% on average. That combined with CCing LSes as well as the general pain of getting people to help a "roflsmn" makes it all the more of a hell to go through.

Myrrh is most definitely not a "gear whore" - the things he strives for are things his jobs can genuinely profit from, rather than getting them simply to say he has them. And his "shady attendance" or whatever...bullcrap. I can't count the times I've talked to him and heard him speaking of how he's helping camp something or even had him help me camp things without being asked. This does in the end seem to boil down to a very poor judgment call -at the very best-. Not even apologizing that, however, seems to make it look so much worse than it [might] actually be. But from the angle things are going, it seems to be boiling down to 'You don't like Myrrh['s popularity?] and you wanted to see him squirm and took the first opportunity that came up'



In my honest opinion, I think Xean sees Myrrh humping someone's leg and gets jealous. Is it because he's not on the receiving end, or is it because of Myrrh's skill? Who knows... :spiteful:

 

[Kagemusha]

Xean, you really just need to admit that you are wrong. I can't sit here and watch as you slowly dig yourself and TBH as a whole its own grave. Your reasons for telling Soulstar to lot the robe are incredibly stupid. To say that Myrrh is a gear whore is quite possibly the most ignorant thing I have ever heard. I really don't know what possessed you to say something like that. There is a big difference between being happy that you got a rare item, and bragging to everybody and their mom about how leet they are. Myrrh is definitely the former.

Two wrongs don't make a right, even if what you say about Myrrh is true, that still does not justify screwing him out of the Yinyang Robe.

Look, if you really want to press on this hopeless tirade about how right you are, then go ahead. Just know that you have an entire linkshell's reputation to consider.

 

[Xean]

What exactly is ALL those things? Since when is being proud of your gear and cussing in LS chat grounds for "not being trusted?" Your evidence is a joke. You cite two examples, one of which was confirmed to be false by people in said assault static, and another about him pissing off some officer.

Not to mention the fact that it wasn't even an event comprised of just your LS. You were in no position to make such a call when every person there so far has stated they were under the assumption it was Myrrhs.

And yea, I'm in "that hacking LS." Not sure what that has to do with this discussion, but GREAT counter-point.

Let's see. I never claimed that boasting about gear was something to begin distrusting about. The point really flew over your head. It was the fact that Myrrh boasted AGAIN so that the SAME person who was a SACKHOLDER would be able to read it. This willful intent to be ignorant, or willful intent to exasperate is what is ONE thing inside the pot to distrust someone.

It doesn't matter whether other campers included members outside the LS. Let's not even compare the numbers anyways, you wouldn't want that. What matters is who was going after the YYR, and that was TWO people who were in the SAME linkshell.

 

[Zyndara]

Well Xean, I've spent the greater portion of the shared leadership of Road's and my personal shell, and my time within Fury helping other people and supporting and encouraging others for gear and opportunities that I had no vested interest in. And I think your policy is trash. You're saying Myrrh is selfish for wanting this robe when he's the one who sat out there getting ToDs for weeks, when he couldn't apparently get help from anyone because of timing or whatever and getting angry at a ninja lot? Really? Because that's the biggest load of bunk I have ever heard. If your smns wanted the ToDs so damned bad, they would have been out there camping it themselves or would have motivated up the people to help out. I don't know of anyone in this game who would sit and camp ToD on charyb for hours/days/weeks then say to someone who was around a few times here and there, oh sure yeah... here nevermind that weeks of my personal time and effort was spent, you feel free to take that up. BUMP that. If I'm camping something I know someone else is interested in, I make arrangements with someone beforehand just like any ksnm bcnm etc. about who will lot/what is being lotted. That's called fairness. I'll go out on a limb and suspect that the agreement they came to on who would lot stemmed from the fact that he KNEW Myrrh had put in the time for this and earned it. All he kept saying was "How did I know you'd come help me?" Such an encouraging, everyone should be selfless and invest tons of time in drops for everyone else type mentality: Hold a ninja-lotted item over someone's head to force them into giving help they already promised you? You must be joking.

In all the time I've known Myrrh, he has gone on missions/done events he HATED only to help out other people. He has offered help to me more times than I can count in a time of need, and has always been respectful and congratulatory on lotting decisions. I don't care what you've "heard," you shouldn't have been making those kinds of judgement calls on lotting rights unless you knew Myrrh to be dishonest firsthand which you and Zer both, admittedly do not. You, your leadership, your decision, and your little buddy Soulstar are wrong. This was not your linkshell's event only, this was not your call, I hate to burst the ego involved. It should have been left to the people who agreed beforehand, yet the one took it upon himself to break that agreement and ninja lot a fellow linkshell member. Sell the "we're looking out for the best of the linkshell" noise to someone else. Because NONE of you were looking out for Myrrh. Thank God there are some of us that are looking out for him or there wouldn't have been enough people there to kill the goddamned thing in the first place. How's that for some hard, cold fact?

 

[jyakotsu]

And I called Zerayla a liar how? YOU claimed she agreed with the lot. Because I say something that contradicts your story, doesn't mean I'm calling her a liar.

She said neither of you admitted to saying its ok to ninja lot. Yet you blatently say in several posts that you said it was ok to Ninja lot. You said it in ls where zerayla said ok as well. So you did call her a liar. And zerayla knows she told me that neither of you said to ninja lot it. I love how you are trying to turn this on tidbit issues. Dont lose any sleep ok?

 

[Marajade]

This really doesn't matter when we still offered to help Myrrh. And I'm ignorant of Myrrh helping people. Why don't you actually read my post? I stated it all in there. You still have nothing good to support what you're saying.

"Sorry we had our member screw you over. Here, lets have a bunch of us come and help you next time, because we're all real trustworthy, as you can plainly see."

I read your post, then i sumarized it, and then countered it by pointing out that its basis was already refuted many times in this thread alone.

I don't need to post anything to the effect of an argument even, the posts that were up before you wrote that essay of a post would've knocked it down, i just sped it up a little.

 

[jyakotsu]

Well Xean, I've spent the greater portion of the shared leadership of Road's and my personal shell, and my time within Fury helping other people and supporting and encouraging others for gear and opportunities that I had no vested interest in. And I think your policy is trash. You're saying Myrrh is selfish for wanting this robe when he's the one who sat out there getting ToDs for weeks, when he couldn't apparently get help from anyone because of timing or whatever and getting angry at a ninja lot? Really? Because that's the biggest load of bunk I have ever heard. If your smns wanted the ToDs so damned bad, they would have been out there camping it themselves or would have motivated up the people to help out. I don't know of anyone in this game who would sit and camp ToD on charyb for hours/days/weeks then say to someone who was around a few times here and there, oh sure yeah... here nevermind that weeks of my personal time and effort was spent, you feel free to take that up. BUMP that. If I'm camping something I know someone else is interested in, I make arrangements with someone beforehand just like any ksnm bcnm etc. about who will lot/what is being lotted. That's called fairness. I'll go out on a limb and suspect that the agreement they came to on who would lot stemmed from the fact that he KNEW Myrrh had put in the time for this and earned it. All he kept saying was "How did I know you'd come help me?" Such an encouraging, everyone should be selfless and invest tons of time in drops for everyone else type mentality: Hold a ninja-lotted item over someone's head to force them into giving help they already promised you? You must be joking.

In all the time I've known Myrrh, he has gone on missions/done events he HATED only to help out other people. He has offered help to me more times than I can count in a time of need, and has always been respectful and congratulatory on lotting decisions. I don't care what you've "heard," you shouldn't have been making those kinds of judgement calls on lotting rights unless you knew Myrrh to be dishonest firsthand which you and Zer both, admittedly do not. You, your leadership, your decision, and your little buddy Soulstar are wrong. This was not your linkshell's event only, this was not your call, I hate to burst the ego involved. It should have been left to the people who agreed beforehand, yet the one took it upon himself to break that agreement and ninja lot a fellow linkshell member. Sell the "we're looking out for the best of the linkshell" noise to someone else. Because NONE of you were looking out for Myrrh. Thank God there are some of us that are looking out for him or there wouldn't have been enough people there to kill the goddamned thing in the first place. How's that for some hard, cold fact?

Summarizing for your ass xean. FUCK YOU!