Soulstar ninjalotted YYR from Myrrh

jyakotsu said:
She said neither of you admitted to saying its ok to ninja lot. Yet you blatently say in several posts that you said it was ok to Ninja lot. You said it in ls where zerayla said ok as well. So you did call her a liar. And zerayla knows she told me that neither of you said to ninja lot it. I love how you are trying to turn this on tidbit issues. Dont lose any sleep ok?
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I blatantly said it's ok to ninja lot?

From my own post:
Xean said:
Do I encourage ninjalotting? No. If this were the case, it would have already been committed before during the past KSNM runs and fairly recent Ohat run between our LS and some PhoenixPimps members, including Cmdrfly himself. What I do encourage is prevention of naivety and to being used. It was done that way because I was only made aware of this after Myrrh's lot on the YYR was made, which was too late for us to have talked between Myrrh and Soulstar to discard the ordering of YYR lotting. Had I been made aware of this before the lotting or mob even popped, I would have made sure that BOTH members were entitled to the gear.
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Xean said:
Let's see. I never claimed that boasting about gear was something to begin distrusting about. The point really flew over your head. It was the fact that Myrrh boasted AGAIN so that the SAME person who was a SACKHOLDER would be able to read it. This willful intent to be ignorant, or willful intent to exasperate is what is ONE thing inside the pot to distrust someone.
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How is boasting in anyway harmful to ones eyes? You sir are spliting hairs over a matter of very little point plus you are making the brotherhood out to be a dictatorship where any wrong thinking is frowned upon, I know many of your members are fine people I just wish you'd help them by admitting you messed up big time.

Gee I got a skill up, would that be considered boasting in your eyes?
 
Advice time for the team that's getting its ass kicked here:

Apologize (and not right before a page and a half of your own inadequate defense- just a sincere apology will do). Work something out with the person you quite obviously screwed over. I think everyone on both sides agrees that Myrrh got screwed at this point? Even if he doesn't want you to help make it up to him, admitting your error and offering an apology might show the community that hey, you may have made some rookie mistakes, but you're good enough leaders to learn from them and move forward. Hell if you're genuine in your response maybe it'll keep some of your members in your shell after the dust settles.

Anything else is just going to give the entire community some more cheap shots at you while you're down. Believe me, some of these guys have nothing better to do :P

This can be resolved if people put egos aside (and pull heads out of asses) and admit when they are wrong.

Then again this will probably get lost in the 45 pages of pointless debate that will inevitably follow this post.
 
Xean said:
Let's see. I never claimed that boasting about gear was something to begin distrusting about. The point really flew over your head. It was the fact that Myrrh boasted AGAIN so that the SAME person who was a SACKHOLDER would be able to read it. This willful intent to be ignorant, or willful intent to exasperate is what is ONE thing inside the pot to distrust someone.

It doesn't matter whether other campers included members outside the LS. Let's not even compare the numbers anyways, you wouldn't want that. What matters is who was going after the YYR, and that was TWO people who were in the SAME linkshell.
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So you'd be totally fine if someone volunteered to come help kill, let's say Xolotl, and told you they'd pass Bandomushas to you even though they could use em. Then they drop, you lot and are all psyched, but then the other guy who said he'd pass lots them and gets 'em. But you'd be totally okay with that, because the guy can use them at least, right?

Right?

...Didn't think so.
 
Xean said:
I blatantly said it's ok to ninja lot?

From my own post:
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Xean said:
Let's see. I never claimed that boasting about gear was something to begin distrusting about. The point really flew over your head. It was the fact that Myrrh boasted AGAIN so that the SAME person who was a SACKHOLDER would be able to read it. This willful intent to be ignorant, or willful intent to exasperate is what is ONE thing inside the pot to distrust someone.

It doesn't matter whether other campers included members outside the LS. Let's not even compare the numbers anyways, you wouldn't want that. What matters is who was going after the YYR, and that was TWO people who were in the SAME linkshell.
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Yea, and you told one of those people to ninja lot the item from the other. Honestly, what did you think would happen?

Even if Myrrh NEVER showed up again...

You figured THIS was the best option? Dealing with all this shit, on a hunch that Myrrh, who is just one person, might not camp again?

Use your head...
 
Xean said:
It doesn't matter whether other campers included members outside the LS. Let's not even compare the numbers anyways, you wouldn't want that. What matters is who was going after the YYR, and that was TWO people who were in the SAME linkshell.
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Actually it does matter, cause you had no authority to say who could lot. I don't know the exact numbers for tonight, but I do know that at the pop previous to this one it was in the middle of the night and 7 Fury members were there, 0 TBH members. I didn't see Soulstar or any other TBH SMN even in the zone.
 
Zyndara said:
Well Xean, I've spent the greater portion of the shared leadership of Road's and my personal shell, and my time within Fury helping other people and supporting and encouraging others for gear and opportunities that I had no vested interest in. And I think your policy is trash. You're saying Myrrh is selfish for wanting this robe when he's the one who sat out there getting ToDs for weeks, when he couldn't apparently get help from anyone because of timing or whatever and getting angry at a ninja lot? Really? Because that's the biggest load of bunk I have ever heard. If your smns wanted the ToDs so damned bad, they would have been out there camping it themselves or would have motivated up the people to help out. I don't know of anyone in this game who would sit and camp ToD on charyb for hours/days/weeks then say to someone who was around a few times here and there, oh sure yeah... here nevermind that weeks of my personal time and effort was spent, you feel free to take that up. BUMP that. If I'm camping something I know someone else is interested in, I make arrangements with someone beforehand just like any ksnm bcnm etc. about who will lot/what is being lotted. That's called fairness. I'll go out on a limb and suspect that the agreement they came to on who would lot stemmed from the fact that he KNEW Myrrh had put in the time for this and earned it. All he kept saying was "How did I know you'd come help me?" Such an encouraging, everyone should be selfless and invest tons of time in drops for everyone else type mentality: Hold a ninja-lotted item over someone's head to force them into giving help they already promised you? You must be joking.

In all the time I've known Myrrh, he has gone on missions/done events he HATED only to help out other people. He has offered help to me more times than I can count in a time of need, and has always been respectful and congratulatory on lotting decisions. I don't care what you've "heard," you shouldn't have been making those kinds of judgement calls on lotting rights unless you knew Myrrh to be dishonest firsthand which you and Zer both, admittedly do not. You, your leadership, your decision, and your little buddy Soulstar are wrong. This was not your linkshell's event only, this was not your call, I hate to burst the ego involved. It should have been left to the people who agreed beforehand, yet the one took it upon himself to break that agreement and ninja lot a fellow linkshell member. Sell the "we're looking out for the best of the linkshell" noise to someone else. Because NONE of you were looking out for Myrrh. Thank God there are some of us that are looking out for him or there wouldn't have been enough people there to kill the goddamned thing in the first place. How's that for some hard, cold fact?
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Notice the I've spent the greater portion of the shared leadership of Road's and my personal shell, and my time within Fury helping other people and supporting and encouraging others for gear and opportunities that I had no vested interest in. and Thank God there are some of us that are looking out for him or there wouldn't have been enough people there to kill the goddamned thing in the first place. How's that for some hard, cold fact?

Now, read this good 'ole QCDNers...

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There you have it... Fury HELPED? Sure, after enough times asking, but seriously, i dont see them beeing there helping Myrrh...

and epic SS for an epic thread
 
I was sick and angry. I think Fury proved to be a better LS then TBH at this point. Ignoring me or not. And I worked it out with Fury about the ignoring. I was having abad week and over reacted.
 
exodusamphi said:
Notice the I've spent the greater portion of the shared leadership of Road's and my personal shell, and my time within Fury helping other people and supporting and encouraging others for gear and opportunities that I had no vested interest in. and Thank God there are some of us that are looking out for him or there wouldn't have been enough people there to kill the goddamned thing in the first place. How's that for some hard, cold fact?

Now, read this good 'ole QCDNers...

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There you have it... Fury HELPED? Sure, after enough times asking, but seriously, i dont see them beeing there helping Myrrh...

and epic SS for an epic thread
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Way to be a hypocrite.

You say 'ZOMG DON'T BRING MY LS INTO THIS GUYZ' and yet you post something like that.
 
Kage this shit became public, Mod can remove it if neccessary, but this is essential to the flame the second it started
 
tidy said:
Way to be a hypocrite.

You say 'ZOMG DON'T BRING MY LS INTO THIS GUYZ' and yet you post something like that.
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Everyone else is resorting to low blows and irrational flaming, why not me?
 
exodusamphi said:
Damn the font on the SS is a bit small, just zoom in or squint
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Thats hard on the eyes lol.

And yes Myrrh did ask for help on the weekend I was one of the people in a party at the time that 'ignored' him, it wasnt intentual, I was whm trying desperately to keep my party alive I miss much going on the LS when stuff flys by fast, usually I'm lucky to catch the ocassional lol comment and maybe add if I can scroll back. :)

To Fury's defence a TOD had been established and all this week attempts have been made by various fury members trying to help their LS mate get it. I'd post a thread from there but I dont know if its needed. Suffice to say help was given after a busy day where none was available.
 
Jeska said:
Thats hard on the eyes lol.

And yes Myrrh did ask for help on the weekend I was one of the people in a party at the time that 'ignored' him, it wasnt intentual, I was whm trying desperately to keep my party alive I miss much going on the LS when stuff flys by fast, usually I'm lucky to catch the ocassional lol comment and maybe add if I can scroll back. :)

To Fury's defence a TOD had been established and all this week attempts have been made by various fury members trying to help their LS mate get it. I'd post a thread from there but I dont know if its needed. Suffice to say help was given after a busy day where none was available.
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See thats something that is productive, I respect that. None of this name-callin garbage
 
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