SPCA exec leaves dog in hot car for 4 hours.

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Sounds like just a bad mistake and I really don't think someone who spends their life trying to prevent cruelty to animals should be severely punished for a mistake that could happen to anyone. The question is, would you condemn yourself if something like this slipped your mind? I highly doubt it.

I somehow just don't feel right when I think to myself gee this person needs to be punished.
 
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Acutie said:
Sounds like just a bad mistake and I really don't think someone who spends their life trying to prevent cruelty to animals should be severely punished for a mistake that could happen to anyone. The question is, would you condemn yourself if something like this slipped your mind? I highly doubt it.

I somehow just don't feel right when I think to myself gee this person needs to be punished.
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While i agree with you, these are the kinds of groups that spend thousands of dollars trying to get people that leave their dogs in the car for 4 hours to rot in jail for as long as possible..

Its a good idea to put yourself in the womans shoes, but also try to put this exec in YOUR shoes, if you had left your dog in the car for 4 hours, what would she say to you???
 
motley said:
While i agree with you, these are the kinds of groups that spend thousands of dollars trying to get people that leave their dogs in the car for 4 hours to rot in jail for as long as possible..
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This is exactly the reason why I feel she should be punished. Whether or not this was an honest mistake, she violated the very principles of the company that she works for and she may have also broken the law.
 
motley said:
While i agree with you, these are the kinds of groups that spend thousands of dollars trying to get people that leave their dogs in the car for 4 hours to rot in jail for as long as possible..

Its a good idea to put yourself in the womans shoes, but also try to put this exec in YOUR shoes, if you had left your dog in the car for 4 hours, what would she say to you???
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If she is a hardass bitch, she'd probably want to slap me in irons. If she isn't a hardass bitch, she would recognize that mistakes do happen and unless there is malicious intent, I don't think punishment is in order. A slap on the wrist may be in order simply to appease people but firing her for this would be a mistake. I mean she has been working for the SPCA long enough to become an exec so she obviously cares, to fire her I think would be a step backwards in battling animal abuse.

There is a line between abuse and a mistake causing harm. Even once she realized it says she took the dog to 2 clinics before he finally died of kidney failure. She shouldn't be bunched in with animal abusers and made into some sort of pariah.
 
Duddits said:
This is exactly the reason why I feel she should be punished. Whether or not this was an honest mistake, she violated the very principles of the company that she works for and she may have also broken the law.
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The big question is this: what do they call for when this happens? if they call for other people to lose their jobs or their titles, ok. If not, then she should just submit herself to what ever they would find appeasing. Donate some of her personal income to animal shelters or what ever. I think demanding anyone to do something as rash as forcing them to quit or be demoted on a single offense, especially if it's shown to be unintentional, is cruel in and of itself and wouldn't make me take comfort in their mission.
 
So easy to forgive someone if they're your boss, huh?
 
What you fail to realize is her husband is the one who put their dog in her car, thinking she would take it to work with her as usual. While of course she wouldn't intentionally put her dog in that situation, she allowed it to happen. Both her and her husband should be charged.

Animal cruelty is tried regardless if it were passive or active. There should be no difference here.
 
Acutie said:
I mean she has been working for the SPCA long enough to become an exec so she obviously cares, to fire her I think would be a step backwards in battling animal abuse.
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Being held to the same standards that you hold others would be taking a step back? How so? That's like saying that just because the Chief of Police accidentally hit someone he shouldn't be charged with manslaughter because he's been on the force long enough to get to that position of authority, so he obviously cares. I fail to see your logic.
 
Tristam Green said:
No there aren't :\
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I'll say it then. It's just a dog. Isn't there any such thing as a mistake anymore? Some people sound like they want to ruin this womans frigging career because an already near death dog died of kidney failure after being locked in a hot car for 4 hours even though after it was noticed they took it to 2 different clinics.

Remember when if your dog got a broken leg, or some crippling injury, people would euthanize it? These people cared for a blind, deaf, very old dog and even tried to treat kidney failure and you want to ruin her for screwing up? Fuck she's probably done more for animals in a month than you people scolding her will do in your entire lives.
 
Dani said:
Being held to the same standards that you hold others would be taking a step back? How so? That's like saying that just because the Chief of Police accidentally hit someone he shouldn't be charged with manslaughter because he's been on the force long enough to get to that position of authority, so he obviously cares. I fail to see your logic.
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Because forgetting a dog in a car for 4 hours is the same as manslaughter. We're talking a SPCA exec and a dog. It's obviously not going to apply to every profession in every circumstance.

I'll say it again really direct. A dog does not equal a human. This stuff is not as serious as if it were involving a human. Cruelty is has nothing to do with this. Abuse isn't a part of this either.

Oh and btw, I put my dog down because it had a stomach condition that I thought was too expensive to correct, but I treated that dog like gold his entire life and loved him dearly. Is that abuse? Is that cruel? If you are someone who thinks it is, fuck you.
 
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Tristam Green said:
No there aren't :\
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There are if you look carefully. Then again, Acutie just came out and said it.

Acutie said:
Oh and btw, I put my dog down because it had a stomach condition that I thought was too expensive to correct, but I treated that dog like gold his entire life and loved him dearly. Is that abuse? Is that cruel? If you are someone who thinks it is, fuck you.
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Are you fucking serious? You're relating putting an animal down rather than having it suffer to torture and neglect? I had to put my cat with cancer down because we were told that she was in pain and we would have to cut off her ears and even then, she wouldn't live long. There is a difference between suffering and humane. There is a differnce between putting your animal to sleep and just leaving it to die.
 
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Acutie said:
Because forgetting a dog in a car for 4 hours is the same as manslaughter.
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Can you come up with a better analogy? They're both unlawful killing without malice and aforethought aka "accidents". The only difference is that manslaughter only applies to humans. It's not ok that this dog baked in the back seat just because it was a dog. Age and health are irrelevant. Would you care if it were a 12-week old puppy?

Acutie said:
I'll say it again really direct. A dog does not equal a human. This stuff is not as serious as if it were involving a human. Cruelty is has nothing to do with this. Abuse isn't a part of this either.
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I find it sad that you don't see "lower" lifeforms as worthy of the same humane treatment as humans. A lot can be said about someone based on how they treat those that are "beneath" them. It is absolutely cruel to leave a dog in a hot car for 4 hours. Just because she didn't mean to do it doesn't make it any less cruel or abusive.

I'm sure you'd be spitting nails and screaming for jail time or worse if it were a baby or incapacitated adult. Why is it not a tragedy worthy of punishment just because it's a dog?
 
Acutie said:
I'll say it again really direct. A dog does not equal a human. This stuff is not as serious as if it were involving a human. Cruelty is has nothing to do with this. Abuse isn't a part of this either.
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Well, to play Devil's Advocate, there's a reason saying "there are more laws to send you to prison if your dog dies in your custody, than if your child does".
 
Dani said:
I'm sure you'd be spitting nails and screaming for jail time or worse if it were a baby or incapacitated adult. Why is it not a tragedy worthy of punishment just because it's a dog?
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Totally what I was getting at but didn't want to say it myself because I expected "omg don't relate animals to humans" or "that relation of scenarios is absurd" as a response.
 
It shouldn't be the same because it isn't the same. Dogs AREN'T people. Dogs are dogs. People are people. Its a sad time for sure. I know i cried like the dickens when my dog died of natural causes. This woman knowing she prematurely ended the life of a pet she's had for so many years is a good enough punishment for me, especially considering this line of work.

Good thing all these "animals = people" people aren't in any position of power. I'd be in jail for a long time for fishing and hunting.
 
Animals aren't people, I don't think that's an arguement. I eat meat, I only eat farmed meat however. That's beside the point. When you hunt, do you put the deer/elk/bear in a position where it suffers for 4 hours? Even 1 hour? Probably not, if you do, you're a sadist. But this was an accident.

My point is that this animal suffered due to her negligence (as well as her husband for not informing her that he left the dog in her car) and, being in the position she is, she should receive due punishment for it (I'm not talking about resignation, but at least a hefty fine because, if not, then people will be able to get away with similar "accidents" in the future). If it was just an accident and you do not believe she should be prosecuted for it, then how do you draw the line between prosecutable accidents, or is that line totally blurred?
 
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