Spiritmonger please avoid

Xerius

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I'm in a party with him right now, with good players including Bogy (new player but really puts effort into learning the game), and another good ninja, Jaye

currently leveling in Yhoator Jungle.

Terrible Ninja, does not voke off the other ninja so he can recast shadows and starts battles a good 30 seconds later. Worst part is, his fucking nub ass gets lost in Yuhtunga and when we get delayed a bit because the Ninja gets aggroed by a mob by mistake, he says hes "frustrated" and wants to leave.

Complete trash, i dont know why hes not provoking, maybe he wants to save on shihei or something, but the guy is a complete fucking retard. he understands english too.

black list him please everyone.
 
He got lost in Yuhtunga Jungle -- an easy enough task to do even *with* a map.

He won't voke off the other ninja because of shadow recast . . . at level 24-28? I can't even remember what levels you go to the jungle.

I fail to see the Black Listable offense here. Sounds like about *half* of the ninjas I've partied with in the past.

and lol@you for using two blink tanks in a party that low.
 
Nothing wrong with that, works extremely well if your NIN's aren't retarded. Sadly most seem to be.
Yeah, like I said: the guy in question sounds like the other 49.9% of ninja's I've leveled with that

a) refuse to provoke off the other NIN for shadow recast.
b) afk mid-fight
c) don't use their other ninjutsu for hate-building.

It's just a shame really, and the lol@him wasn't necessarily for the use of two ninjas as tanks, more or less that there was a reliance on a shitty one.

How long did you tolerate this guy before you posted here? Did you offer suggestions or black-list him outright? You said you didn't know why he wasn't voking, and assumed "he maybe wanted to save money on shihei" so I'm guessing it's the latter.

Anyway, /pedantry off, it's early, I just woke up, and really shouldn't read the FB where tags like "butthurt" pop up in my face.
 
He got lost in Yuhtunga Jungle -- an easy enough task to do even *with* a map.

He won't voke off the other ninja because of shadow recast . . . at level 24-28? I can't even remember what levels you go to the jungle.

I fail to see the Black Listable offense here. Sounds like about *half* of the ninjas I've partied with in the past.

and lol@you for using two blink tanks in a party that low.

lol @ me for a dual ninja setup at my level? and on mandragora? you do realize them being monk type means that they eat through ninja shadows like none other? so next you'll say

1. why would i choose ninja tank and not paladin or warrior

which i would then reply to you and say: "because there was a lack of healers on (only scholar) , and 2 ninjas, which would essentially reduce the healing needs by a substantial amount. Dual ninja setup, is something that was very common before i left at these levels, just becuase without Utsu NI, NInja's need a lot more time to recast.

im not mad at him for getting lost in yuhtunga, im annoyed at the fact that HE GOT LOST, making us wait/have to find him wasting 15-20 minutes, when he then goes to complain when our ninja dies, setting us back 10 minutes. He says he is "frustrated with having to wait and wanted to leave". THATS what pisses me off. If he simply got lost i'd be fine with it, i'm not fine however with the fact that he made us wait and had the nerve to then complain about waiting.

furthermore, simply because "49.99%" of the ninjas you've partied with suck doesnt mean its a norm or acceptable by any means. all the members in the party asked him to please provoke but he wouldnt answer. After booting him, he says "he fell asleep", hardly an excuse for the times when he would know to engage but wouldnt voke.

we gave him many chances, a good 5-6 fights in fact. So we booted him afterwards when he was acting pretty immature and outright lying.

and fyi. after replacing him with another ninja, we were actually able to bounce hate quite flawlessly, between the two ninjas, and me and the other samurai, using up our third eye charges too.
 
lol @ me for a dual ninja setup at my level? and on mandragora? you do realize them being monk type means that they eat through ninja shadows like none other?

the lol@him wasn't necessarily for the use of two ninjas as tanks, more or less that there was a reliance on a shitty one.

How long did you tolerate this guy before you posted here? Did you offer suggestions or black-list him outright?

read.

im not mad at him for getting lost in yuhtunga, im annoyed at the fact that HE GOT LOST, making us wait/have to find him wasting 15-20 minutes, when he then goes to complain when our ninja dies, setting us back 10 minutes. He says he is "frustrated with having to wait and wanted to leave". THATS what pisses me off. If he simply got lost i'd be fine with it, i'm not fine however with the fact that he made us wait and had the nerve to then complain about waiting.

You didn't get mad because he got lost, but wait you did? I'm still missing the blistable offense here. He complained a bit because of waiting around, after getting lost. Tell him to man up and get over it.

Xerius said:
furthermore, simply because "49.99%" of the ninjas you've partied with suck doesnt mean its a norm or acceptable by any means. all the members in the party asked him to please provoke but he wouldnt answer. After booting him, he says "he fell asleep", hardly an excuse for the times when he would know to engage but wouldnt voke.

we gave him many chances, a good 5-6 fights in fact. So we booted him afterwards when he was acting pretty immature and outright lying.

and fyi. after replacing him with another ninja, we were actually able to bounce hate quite flawlessly, between the two ninjas, and me and the other samurai, using up our third eye charges too.

Tristam Green said:
Sounds like about *half* of the ninjas I've partied with in the past.

No, it doesn't make it acceptable. But there are plot holes here. What was he lying about? How was he being immature? Complaining about waiting around is kinda 'meh' on the maturity level, but plenty of people do it.

Really the only thing I'm taking exception to in your OP was the fact that you're requesting everyone to black-list a player with giving a few snippets here and there of things around half of the Ninjas (probably moreso in that level range) do on this server.
 
A NIN with an eva build can easily solo tank the mandys without losing all shadows.

And you do know that SCH is a great healer, right? >.> I've healed on my SCH better then the other WHM's while lvling
 
okay if you really want every single detail here you go:

we started a party, NIN, NIN, SAM, SAM, THF, SCH, do you want the levels too?

we all head out, and he mentions he doesnt know his way around, so we tell him to follow us, but for some reason he decides to go on his own, this is the first thing we notice, and of course it irks us already. So of course he gets lost and we spend 20 minutes looking for him. We finally do, and when finally got to Yhoator he decides to go his own way again, the whole time complaining like a child "i hate this fucking place", "this fucking place sucks" etc. So we get to camp, and the other ninja gets random aggro from a smithy and dies. And while we try to figure out how to raise him or if she should HP, Spiritmonger starts complaining. We ask him to calm down but he keeps saying hes frustrated. Like i said earlier I AM PISSED BECAUSE WE WAITED FOR HIM WITHOUT SAYING ANYTHING, and he has the nerve to turn around and complain even after we ask him to wait. We asked him a few times to chill but he wouldnt stop.

So we get to the fight, and the ninja who is decently geared towards evasion, still loses his shadows pretty quick. So we ask Spiritmonger to please provoke off the tank. He fails to do so, and despite asking him 10-20 times between all the members, he doesnt answer. So we decide to boot him after giving him multiple chances. Then after a while he says "i'm sorry i fell asleep" which led us to ask him how he could engage each and every time while "asleep", and he chose not to respond since obviously we pointed out his flawed logic. So he is LYING here about why he is not voking, despite our continuous requests that he do so.

Finally, after booting him since he is a failure of a ninja, he emotes "Spiritmonger throws blood and entrails at everyone", that is another show of immaturity. There you go. Why black list him? once again there's a difference between making mistakes and having the willingness to learn vs being a complete ass about it and acting like a child.


the lol@him wasn't necessarily for the use of two ninjas as tanks, more or less that there was a reliance on a shitty one.

ur loling @ my reliance on a shit ninja? as if i knew he was shitty before we invited him, that is a useless remark to make.

just for emphasis in case it doesnt sink in, people being shitty but taking the time to learn is one thing. but this guy put no apparent effort at all towards improving, and this warrants a black list. This game has few enough players already, the last thing we need is shitty players.
 
See, that's more believable than "this guy is a shitty ninja who didn't voke off the other ninja because shadows were down blist kthxbye".

Conversely, Spiritmonger coulda "just gotten pissed" that your first ninja got 'random aggro' from a goblin. Dependent on where you're partying in the jungles, that's kinda difficult to do.

Did the first ninja want to save money on prism powders, by chance?
 
See, that's more believable than "this guy is a shitty ninja who didn't voke off the other ninja because shadows were down blist kthxbye".

Conversely, Spiritmonger coulda "just gotten pissed" that your first ninja got 'random aggro' from a goblin. Dependent on where you're partying in the jungles, that's kinda difficult to do.

Did the first ninja want to save money on prism powders, by chance?

nope
we all chocobod out to camp on Yhoator. He got aggroed by a stray smithy.
 
I'm loling at you for not booting him, if that counts.
 
Ninja edit: booting him sooner.
 
what lvl was this on anyway, since you NIN lost shadows so quick? Sounds like you went there at a too low lvl.

And yes, should have booted him sooner, or cussed him out. Told him to get his act together, or suffer the consequences.
 
Write this down:
When you're in a party, try not to distract yourself by reading a message board while in a party.
Not saying this Spiritmonger guy isn't an asshole, but you basically shove your foot in your mouth when you say "I'm in a party with him right now..."
Xali AWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY *whoosh*
 
nope
we all chocobod out to camp on Yhoator. He got aggroed by a stray smithy.

you al chocoboed out to camp, and he got aggroed by a stray smithy? where were you guys cmaping? O-o doesnt sound like a good camp to me if there are stray smithy, or was the other NIN wonder off as well?
 
NIN's trying to tank Mandys. Heh. Get a PLD or a WAR for that place.

Replace "wouldn't voke when shadows were down" with "wouldn't help cure to pull hate off other people" and you have the same bullshit.

Stine's been tanking Mandies out there as NIN lately, and while it's tough to say the least, she's roughing through it and doing it solo. In the meantime Chrisaga's beside her as SAM pulling hate constantly, and she's still able to tank them effectively, lol.
 
Stine's been tanking Mandies out there as NIN lately, and while it's tough to say the least, she's roughing through it and doing it solo. In the meantime Chrisaga's beside her as SAM pulling hate constantly, and she's still able to tank them effectively, lol.

Well that's not entirely true. The last party we had was NIN/WAR, WHM/BLM, WAR/NIN, MNK/WAR, SAM/WAR, SCH/BLM all ranging 29-30 at first. Tristam wasn't in the party. The mandies would eat my shadows like candy. Occasionally at the beginning I would be able to recast shadows so I wouldn't be without but the timer would get me during the duration of the battle. The WAR/NIN would provoke off of me until I was able to get shadows back up. The MNK and SAM(Chrisaga) would pull hate sometimes in order to help me out as well. I don't think anyone cared as long as they weren't on the mages. I don't remember having difficulty with tanking them as PLD but I was pretty good at timing cures and flash and it was a long time ago.
 
Well, you looked like you were doing well to me..
 
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