Stealing and MPKing is the only way to go?

Uzor

Uzor

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Today we camped Adamantoise as usuall. We knew the chance of Aspidochelone was great, so we were prepared for him to pop.

So, after 2 horus of camping, he finally pops, and the normal guys take him. they try to stall him, and he goes unclaimed. So, we steal him... Kind of. It's not like they wouldn't do the same, right? Anyway, moving on.
Happy that we are like the first NA LS on our server to have claimed him, we start killing him. The other JP HNM LS offcourse got sad that we managed to claim him, so they start trying to MPK us. Luckily, there was another JP LS there that saw this and got really upset that they tried to MPK us, so they take the links and /cheer us on.

Everything went rather well(considering it was our first time anyway), and we got him down below 50% HP, when the LS that tried to MPK us trained the entire, and I mean the ENTIRE zone to us and die on top of us. We got owned to say the least, and they claim him and starts killing him.

so, We all called a GM on them, and this is what the GM said;
http://83.116.162.232/bbh/downloads/Uzor/GM1.bmp
http://83.116.162.232/bbh/downloads/Uzor/GM2.bmp
(yes, they are rather big... taken in FRAPS)

so, basically, what the GM said was this:

I'm sorry you didn't get him and I'm sorry you got MPK'd. I don't think you'll get him anytime soon since they will keep MPK'ing you without anything happening to him, but you might have a chance in over a year ^^

and then the normal phrase they always say;

I wish you goodluck on your future Adventures, Uzor!

which is total bullsh*t if you ask me since they only want to get paid and couldn't care less what happends to us =/

So is the only way to kill him really to MPK them, and keep them down, while we start killing him?

And will anything really happen to them, and what would happen if we MPK'd them?

http://83.116.162.232/bbh/downloads/Uzor/GM2.bmp

the above is a picture of the conversation between the 2 JP LS's that was there.

so, is the only solution to sink to their level? Nothing will obviously happen anyway. Atleast not for a year -.-
 
General rule of thumb, if a JPN mpks a NA its a legitimate tactic though an unethical one, if a NA MPKs another NA no one cares, if a NA mpks a JPN there is holy hell to pay.
 
BlackMage said:
Um..there all the same thing o.O
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Yes they are but GMs interpret difrently depending on who sends the GM call. In short GMs are racist assholes whose salary we pay. I want my money back.
 
Uh, you STOLE it... and yeah, now that you have done that they will steal it back but i doubt they would have stolen it from you if you had LEGITIMATLY gotten the claim... Or, if a member of the LS did so, the leader probabyl would have given it back...

Example: My LS claims and kills King Behemoth... when it has less than 5% HP Varess steals it.... But cashell makes them give it back. Why? They could have gotten the drops, hell we did most of the work for them... well, because it was wrong to take it.

by the way, claiming somethign when it turns yellow isn't an accomplishment because its not difficult to do. Personally i think you guys got everythign that you deserved.
 
well, we've got NM's before, and they called a GM on us.

why? because we stalled it. And the GM's forced us to kill it.
They staleld the NM, and lost the claim. And we took it, just like they have done before.
and if we call a GM on them for stalling it, nothing will happen. Why? don't ask me.
 
Some screens! In the last one, I have no idea what's being said, but I took it anyway.

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Uzor, I'm in that LS, but I wasn't there. You guys stole the claim? Ok yea, I was there for the calling a GM on us for stalling BS...But still, they never stole a claim from us. Hell, we only claimed it once and they didn't touch it while we stalled. Even when it went yellow. I can't believe that you guys resorted to that.
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Cythe - Rank 10
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fisrt, you can't say you never seen them steal. Heck, the other LS even cheered us on.

I don't know if it was stealing as I had lost all hope, and they just said "GOT HIM" and provoked. So I have no idea if they stole it or not. All I know is that he was purple when I got to him
 
You're missing one thing. The LS behind us watching was a victim of Lucifar's two-faced shit also. They were cheering us on when we stole it, and I believe it was just. No they would not have let us get away with it whether we got it "fairly" or not. Do you know what happened to these people, Sou's LS when they claimed Aspidochelone? My friend and I watched as Lucifar had Odhinn steal the claim for him, and they MPK'ed them all to get what they wanted.

Lucifar is a liar and a piece of shit...unlike Cashell he will allow MPK and stealing if it means getting his way... but god forbid it happens to him, it's the largest crime on the face of the earth. He is not to be trusted by anyone, and both this JP group and us think he needs to learn a fucking lesson.

Someone stole the claim when they got adamantoise the other day, and yeah I made them give it back. But after some talking with the other JP LS that got MPK'ed.. I decided to let it fly this time. I don't regret it. But I believe either way Ailia would have MPK'ed us. He does it to people on Fafnir, and he does it to people on Serket, and the like. Ailia is an MPKer anyway you look at it, and Lucifar is no higher than he is on moral standards.

Understood, Nasya?
 
in this case, at valley of sorrows, "they" = lucifar.

well, we've got NM's before, and they called a GM on us.
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is this "they" the same group of people? Has Lucifar's LS ever stolen from you all? do you have pictures of calling GMs and saying they were stalling it? or of GMs making you do that? After you had an NM stolen from you did you try to negotiate respectful relations with the LS that did that too you? Most of the people on this server, in my experiance, have been pretty open to that sort of idea...

I can't believe people were sympathizing with you all for being MPKed when you offended first.
 
That is to say... we would not have attempted to jack it from them were it any other group.

Don't need to remind you perhaps in the past that Lucifar has threatened to MPK us if we didn't (country)(Leave) also.
 
you can't seriously think Lucifar never stole a HNM before somehow. Svina have asked us not to steal anything before, or MPK.

Except for today, he didn't say anything about the stealing then. And even after they MPK'd us Svina stood strong and ordered many people in the LS not to MPK anyone.

And if Lucifar never had stolen anything before because he's an angel on earth and would never do anything to anyone like you make it sound Nasya, then how come the other JP linkshell behind us /cheered us on? And even took care of the trains Lucifar's LS trained to us?

I have heard storied of Lucifar stealing things before, one way or the other. So he's no angel.
 
Nasya, the whole GM thing is true. We were GM'd for stalling, and they first threatened to put Reality in jail if we did not kill it ASAP. Considered it a 'grief tactic.' Then, when Real logged, we said screw it and kept stalling. The next set of tells demanded we kill it ASAP or they would despawn it.

I know Lucifar is a bastard with that stuff...And yea, I wouldn't be surprised at all if he MPK'd us if we had made the initial claim. But come on guys, that's sinking to their level without any initial provocation... :/
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Cythe - Rank 10
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Uzor said:
you can't seriously think Lucifar never stole a HNM before somehow. Svina have asked us not to steal anything before, or MPK.

Except for today, he didn't say anything about the stealing then. And even after they MPK'd us Svina stood strong and ordered many people in the LS not to MPK anyone.

And if Lucifar never had stolen anything before because he's an angel on earth and would never do anything to anyone like you make it sound Nasya, then how come the other JP linkshell behind us /cheered us on? And even took care of the trains Lucifar's LS trained to us?

I have heard storied of Lucifar stealing things before, one way or the other. So he's no angel.
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I didn't say he was an angel. He harasses other groups if he does not know them, espeacially NA. He is notorious for being racist, and he is disliked by the majority of the Japanese community for being one of three LSs that dominate the major land/abjuration NMs. Most of the hate on that side, however, seems to be due to jealousy more than anything else.

What i asked was has his ls ever actually done anything more than be rude to you verbally? Acting in retaliation for abuse such as MPKing or Stealing is one thing... being the first to offend is quiet another imo.
 
the very first thing i've camped with drgash was adamantoise. when i got to the zone that first day, i was hanging at the zone line, waiting on some people. a member of lucifar's ls zones in, checks me, shoots a raptor and zones it. i didn't really know what to think at the time... i mean, did he accidently shoot it, or did he honestly think i'd just watch a raptor turn around and come my way?
but whatever. i was excited about camping a big turtle, seeing as how i like to make big things fall down, and i just let it pass. fast forward to today.

so the thing spawns claimed, as i'm told. i turn around to watch a little tv seeing as how long they were taking to kill it (stalling, i guess?), and i turn around to find out we have claim. so lucifar's ls tries to mpk a few times, and the other ls in the zone gives us a hand taking care of them. i suppose they would have rather seen us with the hnm than lucifar's shell. at about 50% my screen is filled with manticores, and i'm boned.

honestly, i would've left it at that, having stolen a claim, and then having been mpk'd seemed pretty even to me. however, knowing who it was, knowing friends that have been on the wrong end of lucifar's ls doing whatever they had to do to make a kill... eh, i don't feel too bad about it.
 
Uzor said:
fisrt, you can't say you never seen them steal. Heck, the other LS even cheered us on.

I don't know if it was stealing as I had lost all hope, and they just said "GOT HIM" and provoked. So I have no idea if they stole it or not. All I know is that he was purple when I got to him
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Okay let me explain what happened here. The first run-in we had with Sou's LS in the valley (Sou? Kanya? I don't know who they are all with really, but they're all against Lucifar's bullshit tactics) was during server up time. We were stalling the NM since that seems to be the common practice. Halfway through the first 2 hours I get a tell from Kanya saying "keep NM? i call GM"... I just asked "why?"

So within bout 5 minutes Reality gets a tell from a GM, I tell him to let them talk to me instead. They start telling us to kill the NM as we're performing grief tactics (wtf?). I like how when a JP calls a GM on NA, prompt and firm action is taken. However, if you stall the NM as such, there is a high chance of it being stolen as it will declaim. It can't be avoided. When they got aspid, they proceeded to do just that, stall. At some point the tank just stopped attacking, turning their back to the NM and it lost the claim. Now normally like the day before this happened I would've told everyone to disband... but when we got to camp I get a tell from the other LS camping there "HQ pop today. Good luck".

And as it is the right thing to do, I responded "gl" also. So sometime around the 2nd window I ask her if she thinks Lucifar would MPK us if we got it... and she sends me "/sigh it is probable"

From there on she explained what happened at the last aspid pop when they got it. I was watching this along with my friend Proph, so if you think this is fabricated, you can confirm this... or with Odhinn, since I recall him telling it as such. They had gotten the claim and were preparing to fight it (killing adds)...somewhere along the way they lost the claim... and lucifar told Odhinn to chi blast it. Soon after i saw Sou's LS suddenly disengage even though it still appeared claimed, I saw Odhinn get D2'ed and Lucifar watched as they proceeded to die to the mob that was now claimed by his group. The same Lucifar who spams his hatred towards NA in his search comment and to those who message him? So I guess it's okay for Lucifar to steal and MPK as he pleases then?

I said it a million times. I have one policy, and that's you fuck with me, I fuck with you. We've become on good terms with the other JP LS and have agreed to avoid foul play between us, but we both agree Lucifar will get what's coming to him. And we won't let it continue. That is all.
 
I agree that stealing it might not have been very honest, and trust me. Svina is very strong on that point. No stealing and no MPK'ing.

And trust me, if it was any other group Svina would have strictly not allowed it. But Lucifar is... well, not a very nice guy. And he have stolen NM's before and called GM's on us because we used the same strategy they have been using for a long time.

And heck, they even used the same strategy today (stalling) that they called a GM on us for using

hmmm.
 
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