Stop buying Ulli stones, you *#%*tards

Artem said:
7. Stop saying we buy from RMT, when several members have stated that we buy from unknown bazzars or jp players (sometimes both).
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Who says that the Japanese have no RMT?
 
Crosis said:
And Jamal hits a nerve for you everytime he brings up you and your friends flee hacking lol. How's racist Quitita doing btw?



I like how you are comparing Flee hacking and Botting which is deliberate cheating to buying an item in someones bazaar that MIGHT be an RMT. Stop buying all those RMT camped items then, you MIGHT be buying from an RMT. Okote, Cross-counters, Cassie Earring, Bhides, the list goes on. Ignorance through the AH isn't a defense either.



And no where did Almaut say we bought stones from RMT you retard. He said we bought some stones from lvl 1 Bazaar mules in BD and from a disbanded LS. Think you need to learn how to read. Let me refresh your memory.





Bullshit. There is a bazaar right NOW in BD that is not a gilseller selling a stone. Go find it, Acdc. It's Luicfers mule, so wrong again you twit. You people who think JPs dont sell Autumnstones are clueless. Not every LS farms Sky and has Ulli as there god almighty.



Again no where have we admitted to buying stones from known RMT. But your friends do cheat though that much is fact.

Fun fact about Sire:
Hey everyone, Sirelahor will send you tells if you are in same zone as his friends and try to accuse you of stealing HNMs. Remember when AV first popped on our server? Sire was there sending Kaizen and other LS's tells demanding WHY we were there. How dare we go check out AV popping the first time on our server. His best friends for life were there first!!!!
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lol, i like showing people how wrong jamal is. =)

YOU GUYS BUY FROM RMT!!! I laid it out in terms even a fucktard like you must be able to understand. The only people up there are legit ls' that will use the stone and rmt. Fucking idiot, do not attempt to plead ignorance. You know those mules are rmt. YOU ARE PAYING PEOPLE TO CHEAT FOR YOU.

And yes, i did send crosis a tell. Not only was he in the same zone, but he ws also in the middle of where people were fighting AV. He wasnt helping, so was he just trying to get in their way? This is a guy that was badmouthing all these people, then he stalked to a fight that had nothing to do with him. So yeah, i asked him why he was there. I take no shame in that either.
 
Like I mentioned that some of you can't read. Read Crosis' post. There's one for sale there right now by a mule known to belong to a jp player...

time for kindergarden reading class!

also

mo‧nop‧o‧lize  /məˈnɒpəˌlaɪz/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[muh-nop-uh-lahyz] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object), -lized, -liz‧ing.
1. to acquire, have, or exercise a monopoly of.
2. to obtain exclusive possession of; keep entirely to oneself: Children monopolize one's time.

do they exclusive possession of it? no
are all level one mules RMT? no
are you trying to tell me bullshit through logical falacy? yes
are you an idiot? quite possible, jury's still out, chewbacca defense might save you

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logical fallacy

n : a fallacy in logical argumentation
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Affirming the consequent is a logical fallacy in the form of a hypothetical proposition. Propositionally speaking, Affirming the consequent is the logical equivalent of assuming the converse of a statement to be true.

If P, then Q.
Q.
Therefore, P.
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If gilseller has a stone, he sells stone
Stone up for sale, therefore must be from gilseller

let it sink in... absorb it, take a class on it
 
Raesvelg said:
I reiterate, the vast majority of Ulli stones sold are sold by RMT.

Did I say all? No.

I said the vast majority. Simple logic dictates that. No functioning NA shell will sell them, nobody in their right mind will camp Ulli for gil casually given the RMT presence there, and very few people XP up there anymore.

So yes, maybe 1 in 10, perhaps a little more, probably a lot less, stones are sold by legit players.

"We don't buy from *known* RMT" isn't a valid excuse. You know damn well where those stones are coming from, even if you choose not to admit it.
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This is a nicer way of what im saying. However, the odds are much less then 1/10.
 
so, how do you say your name? we're talking about how completely fucking retarded you are but we don't know what to call you
 
Artem said:
14(a) Before RMT, everyone was talking about waging war on JP dominance. Who broke that one?
14(b) You may bring up other LS's advancing on the server, but remember who put the first pressure. And where majority of the other LS's learned from.
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/cough
 
Easy solution to the problem is hoping SE one day makes all Sky God pop items R/E. I think its very humorous that all you people defend buying the stones cause you feel bad for them not having the time to camp ulli. I have a more noble idea, why not feel bad for the guy busting his ass camping ulli for his stone insted of taking the easy way out? I've spent countless hours camping ulli for my damn osode and haidate. I just fail to see how any of you people buying stones have any self respect for yourself wearing gear you half-asses got versus the guy like me that busted my ass for my shit. When it comes down to it, people that buy stones are just greedy, too damn lazy,and selfish for not taking into account how they are affecting their fellow gamers.
 
Sirelrohir said:
lol, i like showing people how wrong jamal is. =)
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or making an ass of yourself yet again. Keep chillin with Hackswander and Cyroflee...
 
Comparing legit earned gear, such as Sha'ir Manteel and O.Kote when they went out and farmed gil however they did, then used the AH or a Bazaar to buy the ite, to walking up to Sdfjdkghdfg and buying a stone is completely ridiculous.

See there is a difference between a "crap shoot" and picking a bazaar. The whole "ignorance isn't an excuse" crap for the AH being random, take that up with SE and fix it. Until then, shut up and don't speak; that example fails very hard.

See, legit vs not legit is as simple as white and black paint.
A person buying a legit item from legit seller with legit gil = white
However, ANY instance of not legit adds black. And no matter HOW LITTLE black is added, it is no longer white.
Player buys NOT legit item from NOT legit seller with legit gil = gray.
Gray =/= White
Gray =/= Legit

If you mix in any wrongfully obtained trade into the mix, be it bought gil or RMT items, you still are doing wrong.

Reading Artem's post says more than enough for the idiots trying to defend Kaizen who only make it worse. I suggest people defending stone buying shut up and lat Artem's point be the last heard. S/He explaing very clearly that any RMT buys were incidental, as many mules do have odd names. Bazaars can be as "crap shoot" as AH when mules are involved.

Do I respect Kaizen? Of course. Do I like that they buy stones fro potential RMT? Hell no. However, this only breaks down on a lot of their moral superiority, though their past actions(Vrtra, Tiamat, Jorg) are still to be respected.

And anyone who can claim Kaizen is elitist or selfish has obviously never had the balls to ask. Crosis and Nasya both(possibly more, however I know these two by example) have stopped and helped people not only not in Kaizen, but simple nobodies with simple things such as Goobbue Humus and WHM AF3.

Buying from RMT is as bad as buying gil, however you have to factor in the luck of buying from bazaar.
Not saying it's a perfect excuse, but I am saying that there's not just one side.
 
Sirelrohir said:
Points 1-5. Those 'unknown' mules selling the uli stones are RMT; Quit attempting to use ignorance to defend yourself. People have talked about b. hides. those can come from multiple places such bcnms. Uli stones come from one and only one place. A place that is monopolized by RMT. Like i said earlier, anyone that is camping uli is either going to use that stone for their own ls, or is a RMT. YES its that simple.

As for point 13. So your tired of being in sky. boo hoo, cry me a river. You dont think every other ls up their is sick of that shit too? Only difference is they dont hire cheaters to do their dirty work for them.

The fact of the matter is YOU DO BUY FROM RMT. RMT cheat to get those stones. Your ls is paying people to cheat on their behalf.
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Unless you can prove that they are RMT, like they share accounts with known RMT, you can't say shit about whose mule it is. You're applying retarded logic, that just because you wouldn't sell an ulli stone that no one else would possibly want to sell one.

It's just like the claim that you got temp banned for hacking. There was no proof that you flee hacked, in that no one reported seeing you(as far as I remember at least). There's some enough circumstantial evidence to point to they likely did buy from an RMT mule without knowing the owner for some of their stones; due to the lower amount of people who would sell the stone. The same kind of evidence that "proved" you were banned, namely your refusal to log on for the few days of the ban. In neither case is anything actually proven, just blatant assumptions made and followed like it's gospel.
 
On one side, its completely fair that you can buy pop items. We buy pop items for Rostrum pumps, U. pendent, uh... what's that whm armor that shin drops again?... O. HAT <.<; and various other items within the game. So it just stands to reason that if the pop item isn't rare/exclusive it is game to be sold.

On the otherside..... I know that my ls has spent several hours camping uli. And because we are bitching about the uli stone then apparently everyone is spending lots of time camping uli. I don't see how its likely that a random party can claim and kill uli anymore.... Maybe.... but... nah.... not really.

Where I stand....

Well, the linkshells that actually go out and camp uli and get the claim, then when they use that item and get the drops... they have more pride in their acievements. Because they understand the work intended behind the game. Not that ls that buy the pop items don't appreciate the drops anymore than we do... but the ones of us who do the work and get the reward definitely have a lot more pride in what we have.
 
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Artem said:
Like I mentioned that some of you can't read. Read Crosis' post. There's one for sale there right now by a mule known to belong to a jp player...

time for kindergarden reading class!

also

mo‧nop‧o‧lize  /məˈnɒpəˌlaɪz/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[muh-nop-uh-lahyz] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–verb (used with object), -lized, -liz‧ing.
1. to acquire, have, or exercise a monopoly of.
2. to obtain exclusive possession of; keep entirely to oneself: Children monopolize one's time.

do they exclusive possession of it? no
are all level one mules RMT? no
are you trying to tell me bullshit through logical falacy? yes
are you an idiot? quite possible, jury's still out, chewbacca defense might save you

============
logical fallacy

n : a fallacy in logical argumentation
============

============
Affirming the consequent is a logical fallacy in the form of a hypothetical proposition. Propositionally speaking, Affirming the consequent is the logical equivalent of assuming the converse of a statement to be true.

If P, then Q.
Q.
Therefore, P.
============

If gilseller has a stone, he sells stone
Stone up for sale, therefore must be from gilseller

let it sink in... absorb it, take a class on it
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Doesnt lucifer hack? lol...
 
Kimberely said:
Well, the linkshells that actually go out and camp uli and get the claim, then when they use that item and get the drops... they appreciate their items a lot more. Because they understand the work intended behind the game. Not that ls that buy the pop items don't appreciate the drops anymore than we do... but the ones of us who do the work and get the reward definitely have a lot more pride in what we have.
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You couldn't be more right
 
The Mules are RMT mules.

Because thanks to the climate you're trying to avoid by buying the stones, there is no more independant stone sales. ALL Uli claims for the past 5 months are either RMT, or a LS farming its own stones.
 
Typically speaking, you know it's a RMT if it's a level 1 bazaar, especially cause they all advertise in "RMT English" that they will sell items from sky if you talk to them. The JP shells selling bazaars will always be a higher level character with level 75 gear on and Japanese text in their bazaar message. Being as I've never purchase stones for Kaizen I don't know which of these they target, but I'm hearing the level 1 bazaar claim so seems like RMT to me.

Of course we can't be "sure" of who RMTs. However we can't be sure those rank 2 alliances full of people with no linkshelland random strings of letters as names are RMTs as well. However it becomes general community knowledge that they are.
 
kisada said:
so, how do you say your name? we're talking about how completely fucking retarded you are but we don't know what to call you
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lol, i remember you. I helped you get to sea. Poor kid couldnt get his ls to help him, so he had to go to 'known' hackers for help... too funny.
 
Artem said:
I didn't say attempted to put pressure on. I believe I said put pressure on.
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Oh ok, you didn't start camping Fafnir after OH defended itself from Japanese LSs MPKing us and fighting back and getting the first NA kill on the server. What was I thinking, must have been an acid trip.
 
Sirelrohir said:
lol, i remember you. I helped you get to sea. Poor kid couldnt get his ls to help him, so he had to go to 'known' hackers for help... too funny.
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LOL well atleast you admit your a hacker now
 
Giaganta said:
LOL well atleast you admit your a hacker now
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yea. I knew new sig material would come up in this thread.

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