Stop buying Ulli stones, you *#%*tards

Rappa said:
For someone who "doesn't care", you sure seem to have a vested interest in this topic. Firestreak? More like Firestarter. Saying you don't care and participating the way you're participating is like saying you're a vegetarian and then hunting wild boars in your spare time.
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I don't concede points when I'm right, and in this this thread I'm right.

I don't care if someone wants to hunt bald eagles if they don't hide their gun in their closet and then cry to me about the need for more gun control. I don't care if a guy wants to pay male prostitutes for sex as long as he's not a priest who denounces homosexuality as sin. I'm willing to come out and say that I don't give a shit about what people do as long as it doesn't take away my own rights. If you don't take that stand that I'm going to hold you to your own standards.

Notice I don't criticize people like Garvin and Meeze who have the strictest of standards when they lay judgement onto other people. Garvin and Meeze understand that when they say what they say it means they have the same standards for themselves. i also don't criticize gilsellers or wail on notorious linkshells that people on this board love to bash. Those people just do what they do and don't care about what others think and in a way I respect that. That's just me though and you can feel free to feel different. But know that's why I argue the way I argue.
 
Rappa said:
The only problem with this is it takes out the element of risk. I like to be able to put something up for 1 gil when I'm feeling risky and just want to sell it fast. I like being able to catch other people doing it. I like being able to slip in at 97 gil less than the average AH sale and have my item sell first because others list for the exact price.

And let's not forget. While obviously our community and most end-game linkshells are going to know who is and isn't a gilseller, all the Dicks and Janes out there who just play for fun will still buy from the Larges anyway because they don't know any better.
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well over that yes risk is "ok" but it wasent when prices were going out of controll, I feel that it would make more sence to have somthing more stable than bid and hope you get the itme out of pure luck and come back later and see someone made a bid for the same item 500k below what you did and got it, oh and there are AH bots, so sellers can cheat around the system if you try to greatly lower the price
 
hellstorm said:
they wont do byrakko it take 3x the people (for them), good chance they will wipe and good chance they will get no cash items at all. (and dont give me that BS about byrakko seal.)

edit: So in short they will need more resources to get less money then what they get now
but you right they will stay, because you have idiots like bajaratt who buy from them.
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Euphori had a Byakko seal in his Bazaar last nite. It's also not the first time I see one of them with it. They are getting stones faster then they can sell them. They are already killing Byakko, get your head out of the sand.
 
Uzor said:
Wow, You really suck at math, don't you?

If you only go by the ingredients, you can't calculate the cost of the final results. You can only count the cost of Black Sole, otherwise you assume gil sellers sell all of the finalized results. Same goes with Giant Squid. That's like saying gil sellers gain gil through people reselling kotes they bought from RMT.
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WOWOWOWOWO
you don't seem to really understand the fucken point.

You support RMT! Everyone does, so people stop trying to act innocent and condemn those that buy autumnstones or other more expensive RMT dominated items, your not better then them you just support RMT less.

The point of the math was to make a comparison, not be accurate... geez fucken tards, if I wanted to be accurate I would of spent more then 2mins writing that and actually done the research, but the fact is that accuracy is not important in the comparison since both groups are supporting RMT... who supports them more SHOULDN'T MATTER.

Hellstormwutvr:
AND like many people have said if they COULDN'T sell the Autumnstone for whatever reason, they WOULD pop Byakko... you think that because they camp Ulli with 7 people that they can't easily bring 30 people to kill Byakko... your kidding yourself and you obviously didn't see how they used to take on Genbu and Seiryu. Also why don't you do some digging around other server boards and see how the RMT there will regularily take down Kirin. It's just a matter of time before they evolve here as well. Byakko and Kirin's drops have the potential to make them the same amount as selling an Autumnstone, and those drops sell FASTER and on the AH (where you can claim ignorance).
 
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hellstorm said:
they wont do byrakko it take 3x the people (for them), good chance they will wipe and good chance they will get no cash items at all. (and dont give me that BS about byrakko seal.)

edit: So in short they will need more resources to get less money then what they get now
but you right they will stay, because you have idiots like bajaratt who buy from them.
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Try to pay attention, I don't buy from them, I never said that I buy stones from them; nor did I even imply it.

Saying Byakko's seal isn't worth something means you don't have a brain. It's still worth money, just maybe a mil or two less than a autumn stone; because kirin can also be farmed for money items and gear. If no one buys the stones, they will pop and kill byakko like they already have; whether they sell or keep the gear doesn't matter, they'll still be camping Ulli. While it might(might being the key word) be less money than just selling the stone, they'll still make money off of it.
 
decidence said:
WOWOWOWOWO
you don't seem to really understand the fucken point.

You support RMT! Everyone does, so people stop trying to act innocent and condemn those that buy autumnstones or other more expensive RMT dominated items, your not better then them you just support RMT less.

The point of the math was to make a comparison, not be accurate... geez fucken tards, if I wanted to be accurate I would of spent more then 2mins writing that and actually done the research, but the fact is that accuracy is not important in the comparison since both groups are supporting RMT... who supports them more SHOULDN'T MATTER.
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So when you're more 20k per stack off in your calculation, your goal wasn't to be "accurate"?

Wow... You fail. If you're even going to bring up mathematical arguments, atleast TRY to be accurate instead of being 20k per stack off.

As for supporting RMT, the only thing I've said is that I personally don't mind if Kaizen buys the stones or not. But if they're gonna buy stones from RMT (which I know they didn't do intentionally, but w/e), they better not try to justify it if they take a stance against RMT trading.

Although I suppose you're too thick headed for that to get inside, though.
 
Bajaratt said:
Try to pay attention, I don't buy from them, I never said that I buy stones from them; nor did I even imply it.

Saying Byakko's seal isn't worth something means you don't have a brain. It's still worth money, just maybe a mil or two less than a autumn stone; because kirin can also be farmed for money items and gear. If no one buys the stones, they will pop and kill byakko like they already have; whether they sell or keep the gear doesn't matter, they'll still be camping Ulli. While it might(might being the key word) be less money than just selling the stone, they'll still make money off of it.
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Well, its just a matter of tiem before the gil sellers can kill Kirin, sadly. And at that point they'll start selling Kirin's Osode and Kirin's Pole =/
 
Yep, and at that point, it will be much more profitable to keep their stones and pop byakko and kirin.
 
Bajaratt said:
Yep, and at that point, it will be much more profitable to keep their stones and pop byakko and kirin.
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Sadly =/ Although I assume they'll still keep some autumnstones to sell
 
Uzor said:
So when you're more 20k per stack off in your calculation, your goal wasn't to be "accurate"?

Wow... You fail. If you're even going to bring up mathematical arguments, atleast TRY to be accurate instead of being 20k per stack off.

As for supporting RMT, the only thing I've said is that I personally don't mind if Kaizen buys the stones or not. But if they're gonna buy stones from RMT (which I know they didn't do intentionally, but w/e), they better not try to justify it if they take a stance against RMT trading.

Although I suppose you're too thick headed for that to get inside, though.
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Why do you think the math was even relevant to the argument? If my math was bad I wouldn't be a video game programmer. I was making up numbers to bring proof to the fact that both groups support RMT. I could of said both values were 1gil and it would still bring the same point across. I don't even know the current prices of Sole Sushi, Squid Sushi or Black Sole, I don't play the game enough to buy these things regularily enough to keep up with price changes.
 
decidence said:
Why do you think the math was even relevant to the argument? If my math was bad I wouldn't be a video game programmer. I was making up numbers to bring proof to the fact that both groups support RMT. I could of said both values were 1gil and it would still bring the same point across. I don't even know the current prices of Sole Sushi, Squid Sushi or Black Sole, I don't play the game enough to buy these things regularily enough to keep up with price changes.
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Then why didn't you bring up 1 gil?

Your argument was based on the numbers the moment you brought numbers in to your argument.

You even mentioned

BLACK SOLE the active ingredient in Sole Sushi or GIGANT SQUID the active ingredient in Squid Sushi (both fish consume ~95% of the recipe costs) has a 90% chance of being sold on AH by a RMT Fish Bot.
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which is wrong in the first case. Second one I won't argue since a whole fucking lot are sold my people who do nothing but fish.
 
On a better question... why are guilds as old as Kaizen still dicking around in sky?
 
veresko said:
Euphori had a Byakko seal in his Bazaar last nite. It's also not the first time I see one of them with it. They are getting stones faster then they can sell them. They are already killing Byakko, get your head out of the sand.
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I know they have.

deciwtvem said:
Hellstormwutvr:
AND like many people have said if they COULDN'T sell the Autumnstone for whatever reason, they WOULD pop Byakko... you think that because they camp Ulli with 7 people that they can't easily bring 30 people to kill Byakko... your kidding yourself and you obviously didn't see how they used to take on Genbu and Seiryu. Also why don't you do some digging around other server boards and see how the RMT there will regularily take down Kirin. It's just a matter of time before they evolve here as well. Byakko and Kirin's drops have the potential to make them the same amount as selling an Autumnstone, and those drops sell FASTER and on the AH (where you can claim ignorance).
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the key word is use to.

bajar said:
Try to pay attention, I don't buy from them, I never said that I buy stones from them; nor did I even imply it.

Saying Byakko's seal isn't worth something means you don't have a brain. It's still worth money, just maybe a mil or two less than a autumn stone; because kirin can also be farmed for money items and gear. If no one buys the stones, they will pop and kill byakko like they already have; whether they sell or keep the gear doesn't matter, they'll still be camping Ulli. While it might(might being the key word) be less money than just selling the stone, they'll still make money off of it.
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come on fill in the dam blanks. If people stoped buying stones from rmt don't you think they wont buy seals as well. You may not buy, but by your post show that you would if you actually needed something from sky. If the profit came to the point where they was putting more effort then gain they would move on. Like they done with amemet and poisonhand. If you keep the way it going your showing that you will let them push you out of are camps, just like they did with the baby hnms. It going come to point where there going to be camping kings then what you going to stand there buy there ridill or there bb items?
 
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