Stop buying Ulli stones, you *#%*tards

i will say this, of BDS, there are still some players that i respect and who i know never took part in the purchasing of RMT stones.
Darkseifer, Silverwarrior, and Saire...
but yeah....im definately gonna hafta through out a....

LOLMEDICINEMANROFLBISHSUXORZ
 
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Marajade said:
The difference is that You poping the Hakutaku with your purchased cluster does not prevent someone else who farmed the items from having a cluster.
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That wasn't the point, which was to try to understand why purchasing a pop item for a "popped NM" and killing it would not equate to "earning" the reward of killing it. I think they are mutually exclusive events.

There's always going to be someone on the server with an item you wish you had, and their means of obtaining it maybe beyond your abilities and resources available to you. They have gil to use to purchase things they want, and others don't. They have the means to acquire a vast amount of gil in shorter spans of time, and others don't.

Someone's always going to have an autumnstone at the expense of another's time and effort wasted. Whether it be a real LS or a RMT faction, it's the same.

Yes I was up there in sky camping stones like the rest of you. When we won claim, multiple LS's have offered to purchase my autumnstone from me. If we had sold it to them, which we did not, would they still be in the wrong for obtaining it from me through some virtual money transaction? I think it's none of anyone's business what my LS does with any items we sell/trade/buy. Do you think they owe the server an apology if the accused did the actions you speak of?

Correct me if I'm wrong but RMT stems from those who purchase gil because there is a demand of it from dumb players. Trading gil for items/items for items within the game between players is not the issue, and occurs normally in the game everyday. If there was no demand for virtual money by using real life currency, there would be no problem with trading an autumnstone for gil.

No offense, just trying to understand why the 2 situations are linked together. I have yet to see anyone beat kirin in 57 seconds, and downplaying that accomplishment using a flame like this isn't really something I'm quite grasping.
 
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Every single "excuse" you guys have made so far to try and justify the said LSs knowingly buying stones from RMT are the very definitions of a cop-out. Seriously, buying stones from RMT? Come on. You can make all the stupid little excuses you want, but SERIOUSLY, the jerk offs that continualy perputuate the bottle neck that is sky? And these LSs are giving them more and more reasons to be there and continue doing what there doing? Gimme a fucking break.
 
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Every single "excuse" you guys have made so far to try and justify the said LSs knowingly buying stones from RMT are the very definitions of a cop-out. Seriously, buying stones from RMT? Come on. You can make all the stupid little excuses you want, but SERIOUSLY, the jerk offs that continualy perputuate the bottle neck that is sky? And these LSs are giving them more and more reasons to be there and continue doing what there doing? Gimme a fucking break.
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....Indeed.
 
I just got home to see that i was being blamed for this thread. I guess i should defend myself although it seems many have already said what I would have. I wasnt the one who posted talking trash about your ls. Although if you are gonna single me out about laughing at others remarks or making posts about BDS then i guess you need to include the other 30 people who has said something in this thread. I'll admit..I am guilty of laughing at other peoples remarks. I apologize, i wasnt setting much of a leader example. By no means was Celvantes's post approved or encouraged by any member of Rawr.

And for the personal attack in this thread talking about my skill or gear which has nothing to do with this thread - everything i got was earned. If some close friends of mine decide to quit and leave me with things they want me to have because i have HELPED them so damn much in the game(which if you knew me, you'd know im one of the most helpful non selfish people you'll find)... who am i to argue. Feel free to take this up in another thread if you have the urge.
 
I think more people need to CC those RMT assholes and more people need to spam GM's with calls about the RMT there at Ulli.

If you buy stones, you're taking the easy way out, and that's contemptable, seriously. Put a little effort in, don't be whining because it's hard and because you don't want to try to blow the whistle on the RMT at Ulli. Sure, it may take a long time to get a stone the clean way, and sure it may take a lot of time and effort to get the GM's to do something about the situation, but at least you've tried everything.

I won't even pretend to know what ls' out there are buying stones, I'm clueless as far as that goes, but what I know is that plenty of them are, and I think it's despicable.

However it's being justified to yourself or in your ls, it's still wrong.

That's how I feel, and I'm sorry if people just can't make the connection.

This game is an accomplishment, it's not supposed to be easy.

Like Meeze said, if you want it to be easy, go buy a game that you can get a Gameshark for...

It's too bad you can't MPK, I'd enjoy watching Meeze do that to the sellers...and no, I wouldn't raise them...
 
Time to call on the who? SE RMT SPECIAL FORCE TEAM!!!
 
First of Id have to say i found this post laughable. To the kaizen fan club all the way to sliiph master plan. Where to start...

Cervantes said:
I'm talking to YOU Kaizen and Indicants. Yes, I'm calling you out.

I've heard from current and former members of your LSes that you have paid gil to RMT because apparently you're too damned lazy to camp for claim yourselves.

I'm sick and tired of pretending it doesn't happen. Is my LS seriously the last sky shell that does not buy autumnstones?
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syliph said:
The fact is... that the purpose of a Sky LS, is to equally reward all of its members proportionaly to the work they ut into the shell. NOT TO USE THE LS BANK TO PIMP OUT THE LEADERS, AND THEIR GIRLFRIENDS WITH GREAT GEAR WHILE THE REST OF THE SHELL SITS THERE AND PRAYS FOR A CHANCE TO LOT! (Not directed at DS, SW, or Saire...)

4) When the leader of a shell declares that there will be 3 weeks of nothing but ulli camping... no gods... no other NMs... just ulli... its royally screws the entire LS just because yall are incapable of claiming the damn NM, be it incompetance on yalls part, or every shells' current trouble with the RMTs. Your inability to recognize how YOUR decisions affect EVERY member of your shell demonstrates your true lack of leadership skill.
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khajit said:
Darkseipher... the only thing everyone in rawr can agree on officially if they decided to atm is that BDS has shitty gear. a lv 75 THF with afhead and tiger rings is not something I'd let near any fight.
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guess let start with this BDS issue. Through this whole thread you said they bought stones. Yet how can they buy stones if they can't even afford the basic gear. Also as shown in the in secound quote syliph said that they spent 3 weeks on just camping uli. Why would they spend so long there and then buy the stones? It funny how kaizen was all in the parser thread while back, yet not one post here.:spiteful: It also funny how in the eye of many is OK because the almighty kaizen does it. (brown nosing at it best)
 
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Fleist[/b]]Random thought:

1.5 years ago I bought my haku cluster. I didn't level up alchemy to 90+, nor did i farm the 6-8 eyes needed for the synth (which could have taken anywhere between 5-10 hours easily). I bought it from a bazaar, and I really wouldn't know if that bazaar was involved in RMT. Am I ignorant? Probably. By standards writen above, I didn't earn my optical hat because I didn't camp 5-10 hours worth of time and spend a couple million gil to level alchemy to 90+ for my Rare/EX item. I did pop the Haku, killed the bastard, and sure enough I got my hat. I even asked Kisada to help tank it because I had no Ninjas in my LS at the time. I guess I didn't earn it, right?

Now, apply the same concept to basis of this thread, and it fails. The effort used to make the gil to purchase the stone is equivalant to the market value of the stone. Who cares where it's from? It's there. You don't have the gil? Camp it. Everything has a price.

Don't get me wrong, I do NOT condone RMT activities. In all honesty, what my LS does with gil is our business, and it's Kaizen's business for what they do with the gil they EARN.

Who are any of you to make such comments? I bet you all have optical hats, a couple mages have rostrum pumps, maybe purchased imperial currency from the AH to get that nice Wal. Turban because u didn't get enough xp from imperial standing? You all know very well that some of these items on the AH or in bazaars may very well be involved in RMT activities. Ignorant? Probably.

But whatever, I'm just one person.
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umm no!! first off who in there right mind sells a uli stone. They would not; most shells would rather give there left nut(or left tit) then to give up a uli stone yet you sit here say that legit person would sell. You can't camp uli with 5-6 people anymore because of all cc and even if you did you spend what 10 hours for what? A possible few mil? All you that even said this need to think of what you are saying.



DS said:
Most of the leaders in BDS dont listen at all when some1 tells them "We are not prepared to fight byakko <Insert name of leader here> or we are not ready yet for kirin. They just say nah lets pop it, and I cant do anything about it.

About the Thief with tiger rings, that is true, but honestly, I dont care bro because hes an awesome friend and hes very cool (no, hes not a RMT or something like that). I'm here in the game to make friends and chat and have fun, I dont choose ppl by hes gear.
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It seems you have to many rosters not enough hens. If your leaders cant agree then maybe you need either A) leave the ls and start a new B) Demote some leaders or C) disband linkshell. Doing things like stated in quote is just going have your shell looking bad or worse people leaving.

As for the thf, I think you going be seeing allot of people like this future, because there nothing left farm because everyone is either farming it or it being camped by rmt bot/sniffers. These people buying stones is only furthering the rmt cells stronghold on the market. So I hope you all enjoy experiencing with gimps
 
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Too bad Courtney and Neophytal don't wanna defend Kaizen's position on this matter. They always have so much to say when other LSes are under fire. Not to mention Neophytal's boast if I recall about what he'd do if his own LS was doing something immoral.
 
1. If you're gonna flame people for buying Autumnstones, you sure as hell better flame ANYONE that buys ANYTHING from RMT. Yes, this includes B.hides. If you've bought a b.hide in the passed 6 months, chances are you bought it from RMT. Does that mean they should get flaimed for not camping Behemoth or doing a KS99 everytime someone needs it, no.

If you want RMT to stop, don't buy gil. Its supply and demand. Simple. If no one buys gil, RMT wouldn't have business. Don't flame Kaizen or anyone else for purchasing an item from a bazaar, flame the people that support the business with real money. Anyone and Everyone who has bought some type of crafting ingredient, an o.kote, an autumnstone, or a Cassie earring, or the list can go on forever should be included by your logic. I've bought ebony lumber stacks from an RMT crafter because I was too lazy to synth my own. Flame me as well. This flame is piss ass weak, especially coming from someone who posts about the weakest ass victories on the Good Times board once a week, and has gotten a ton of FREE dynamis currency just because someone else quit
 
jamal said:
1. If you're gonna flame people for buying Autumnstones, you sure as hell better flame ANYONE that buys ANYTHING from RMT. Yes, this includes B.hides. If you've bought a b.hide in the passed 6 months, chances are you bought it from RMT. Does that mean they should get flaimed for not camping Behemoth or doing a KS99 everytime someone needs it, no.

If you want RMT to stop, don't buy gil. Its supply and demand. Simple. If no one buys gil, RMT wouldn't have business. Don't flame Kaizen or anyone else for purchasing an item from a bazaar, flame the people that support the business with real money. Anyone and Everyone who has bought some type of crafting ingredient, an o.kote, an autumnstone, or a Cassie earring, or the list can go on forever should be included by your logic. I've bought ebony lumber stacks from an RMT crafter because I was too lazy to synth my own. Flame me as well. This flame is piss ass weak, especially coming from someone who posts about the weakest ass victories on the Good Times board once a week, and has gotten a ton of FREE dynamis currency just because someone else quit
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1. Refer to my argument earlier about not being able to discern on the AH who sells what. I'm not going to repeat myself if you're too lazy to scroll back and read.

2. If 20+ people gather together to do something for 6+ hours, damn straight it's going on the good times thread. If you can call keeping a bunch of random people together to get 11 O-hats done without a single loss "weak" I'd like to see what you call strong. Same goes for Rostrum Pumps and the Kurrea run from Hell.

3. Cythe's dynamis coins were distributed one 100 coin each to every lolDynamis member. I purchased the coins I needed for the first upgrade, and sponsored runs/received donations for the second upgrade.
 
jamal said:
1. If you're gonna flame people for buying Autumnstones, you sure as hell better flame ANYONE that buys ANYTHING from RMT. Yes, this includes B.hides. If you've bought a b.hide in the passed 6 months, chances are you bought it from RMT. Does that mean they should get flaimed for not camping Behemoth or doing a KS99 everytime someone needs it, no.
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Bolded for the emphasis that negates your entire point.
A chance is vastly different from absolute certainty.
 
So, buying an autumn stone from known cheaters (RMT) somehow is ok, b/c the ls that bought it isnt cheating? No, its cheating by proxy. They are paying another ls (which has been proven to cheat) to do all the dirty work for them. Now you have people who like to accuse others of cheating (w/o any proof) defending these ls'. Hillarious!

And honestly, kaizen doesnt give a fuck what anyone thinks; they would cheat their way to gear instead of hiring known cheaters if they could get away with it.
 
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Bolded for the emphasis that negates your entire point.
A chance is vastly different from absolute certainty.
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exactly garvin. buyin from ah is a lot different then buying directly from a Gs. stoppin buyin gil wont stop, so if people dont buy from them directly then they lose a source of gil, which means they have less too sell.
 
kicamo said:
exactly garvin. buyin from ah is a lot different then buying directly from a Gs. stoppin buyin gil wont stop, so if people dont buy from them directly then they lose a source of gil, which means they have less too sell.
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Frankly, that's only a small part of the issue here. The real problem is that it has opened a market for what they're doing up there.
People are now buying these stones, exactly as planned.
The RMT WILL stay now.
They WILL keep camping ulli until SE changes it.
This no longer has even the smallest chance of changing.
 
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