Stop buying Ulli stones, you *#%*tards

[Zion]

So, buying an autumn stone from known cheaters (RMT) somehow is ok, b/c the ls that bought it isnt cheating? No, its cheating by proxy. They are paying another ls (which has been proven to cheat) to do all the dirty work for them. Now you have people who like to accuse others of cheating (w/o any proof) defending these ls'. Hillarious!

And honestly, kaizen doesnt give a fuck what anyone thinks; they would cheat their way to gear instead of hiring known cheaters if they could get away with it.

Another kiss ass to kazien, you really getting points. Instead saying kaizen, you should've said Linkshell that buy stones dont care a fuck. But again proof that there are kiss ass. People stop kissing ass!!! So annoying!! You look pathetic! :nyam:

 

[Skaw]

So instead of the RMT actually bolstering their power with Haidate, you children bicker over linkshells who actually want to get around the bottleneck by buying their stones?

Seriously. What would you rather have... the RMT getting gil to sell, or the RMT becoming more capable of fighting a wider variety of (H)NMs? Jesus Christ, grow up and look at the bigger picture. If buying Autumnstones prevents RMT becoming what they are on other servers, then god dammit, do it. People that buy them are almost doing the rest of us a service by effectively repressing RMTs capabilities in the rest of the game.

 

[Windurst]

Actually Zion he is arguing AGAINST Kaizen.

I agree 100% with Celvantes on this, buying _KNOWINGLY_ from RMT is as bad as buying gil from their site.s, you're just taking a short cut. Ish said it best earlier, that buying stones to an unearned Byakko or Kirin or any god for that matter, is equal to buying gil for gear. It's immoral and any accomplishment afterward is simply trivial. But hey, while we are bragging about cool wins via cheating, I beat Diablo as a level 1 Rogue. The fact I used Invincible means nothing, it's still impressive cause I did it right? Cheating or not?
Didn't think so.

 

[Sirelrohir]

Another kiss ass to kazien, you really getting points. Instead saying kaizen, you should've said Linkshell that buy stones dont care a fuck. But again proof that there are kiss ass. People stop kissing ass!!! So annoying!! You look pathetic! :nyam:

lol, how could u take what i said as ass kissing to kaizen? I dont like kaizen at all. Im not defending them in the least. Can you read?

 

[Khajit]

So instead of the RMT actually bolstering their power with Haidate, you children bicker over linkshells who actually want to get around the bottleneck by buying their stones?

Seriously. What would you rather have... the RMT getting gil to sell, or the RMT becoming more capable of fighting a wider variety of mobs? Jesus Christ, grow up and look at the bigger picture. If buying Autumnstones prevents RMT becoming what they are on other servers, then god dammit, do it.

How about neither?
Neither idea sounds too good. I doubt any new player wants to come into this game and ask if anyone wants to help with X NM or tries to solo camp it but hears nothing but "RMT only."

 

[Zoolander]

So instead of the RMT actually bolstering their power with Haidate, you children bicker over linkshells who actually want to get around the bottleneck by buying their stones?

Seriously. What would you rather have... the RMT getting gil to sell, or the RMT becoming more capable of fighting a wider variety of (H)NMs? Jesus Christ, grow up and look at the bigger picture. If buying Autumnstones prevents RMT becoming what they are on other servers, then god dammit, do it. People that buy them are almost doing the rest of us a service by effectively repressing RMTs capabilities in the rest of the game.

lmao, I think you are greatly overestimating the importance of haidate. And seriously you've gotta be kidding me...giving RMT gil and giving them even more reasons to camp ulli is now somhow saving us? This is like a really bad joke.

 

[Skaw]

How about neither?

Unfortunantly thats not an option, is it? "ZOMG IF RMT DIDNT CAMP" ideas aren't realistic right now. Don't toss them around. If it's strictly between buying the stones or RMT becoming more powerful, WHICH would you prefer? If it's the latter, you're an idiot.

lmao, I think you are greatly overestimating the importance of haidate. And seriously you've gotta be kidding me...giving RMT gil and giving them even more reasons to camp ulli is now somhow saving us? This is like a really bad joke.

It's not about giving them reasons to camp, but preventing them from actually using the stones for themselves. Please learn to absorb the idea of the sentences, rather than just what they're saying. Even if they were using them for themselves, it still wouldn't remove them from Ulli. The only difference is, instead of getting both gear AND gil(In the form of B.Hides,) You're restricting them to just getting gil. You were given a brain, plan out the results of what them using the Autumnstones means. As well as Byakko's Haidate, they get Shura. As well as gear, they get Seals. Seals mean they would potentially go for Kirin. I mean, honestly, without them being removed, where would you want their endeavors to end? Process it.

 

[Mistra]

Actually Zion he is arguing AGAINST Kaizen.

I agree 100% with Celvantes on this, buying _KNOWINGLY_ from RMT is as bad as buying gil from their site.s, you're just taking a short cut. Ish said it best earlier, that buying stones to an unearned Byakko or Kirin or any god for that matter, is equal to buying gil for gear. It's immoral and any accomplishment afterward is simply trivial. But hey, while we are bragging about cool wins via cheating, I beat Diablo as a level 1 Rogue. The fact I used Invincible means nothing, it's still impressive cause I did it right? Cheating or not?
Didn't think so.

Man what the fuck is with people creating new accounts to post in? Quit hiding, be a fucking man.

 

[Sirelrohir]

So instead of the RMT actually bolstering their power with Haidate, you children bicker over linkshells who actually want to get around the bottleneck by buying their stones?

Seriously. What would you rather have... the RMT getting gil to sell, or the RMT becoming more capable of fighting a wider variety of (H)NMs? Jesus Christ, grow up and look at the bigger picture. If buying Autumnstones prevents RMT becoming what they are on other servers, then god dammit, do it. People that buy them are almost doing the rest of us a service by effectively repressing RMTs capabilities in the rest of the game.

now zion, this is where you should have directed your comment.

True or false, gilsellers cheat?

True or false, ls' such as kaizen buy stones from cheaters?

They are paying people to cheat on their behalf. Theres no risk to them getting caught. But dont beat around the bush, buying from cheaters is as bad as cheating themselves.

 

[Skaw]

Sirelrohir talking about cheaters being bad is just fucking hilarious.

 

[Daveman]

I really hope no one here arguing about buying from cheaters is cheating owns anything ever made in a sweat shop.

 

[Firestreak]

Then maybe we should buy all their gil too Skaw so they don't have any to sell. Then we'll have truly vanquished gilsellers forever.

 

[Rappa]

Dude, I once saw a pair of Byakko's Haidate solo Vrtra. True story. Don't even dare say that rmt having haidate couldn't solo FFXI, gawd.

 

[jamal]

Sirelrohir talking about cheaters being bad is just fucking hilarious.

Amen

Celv. 75% of the History on AH and claims at behemoth come from GS. Its not just a chance that you're helping RMT, its a wide chance. Bitching and whining because you can't get a sky item is piss ass pathetic. If kaizen were up countering you guys, you still wouldn't get the stones. Your shortcomings arent kaizens fault, so don't bitch and moan because you didn't get one thing in this game that you can post a good times thread ab.

And when the coins were split up evenly, the people either gave you there coins or Sold them. I know this, because they were my customers, don't only tell half the story.

 

[Skaw]

Then maybe we should buy all their gil too Skaw so they don't have any to sell. Then we'll have truly vanquished gilsellers forever.

Well, really. If people want to be retarded and argue about buying items from cheaters makes you a cheater, then that makes a vast majority of the player base cheaters, by buying resold items that are rooted in original acquisition through cheating. It's childish logic.

 

[Khajit]

Unfortunantly thats not an option, is it? "ZOMG IF RMT DIDNT CAMP" ideas aren't realistic right now. Don't toss them around. If it's strictly between buying the stones or RMT becoming more powerful, WHICH would you prefer? If it's the latter, you're an idiot.



It's not about giving them reasons to camp, but preventing them from actually using the stones for themselves. Please learn to absorb the idea of the sentences, rather than just what they're saying. Even if they were using them for themselves, it still wouldn't remove them from Ulli. The only difference is, instead of getting both gear AND gil(In the form of B.Hides,) You're restricting them to just getting gil.

While that is true that eventually they might get smart and keep them for themselves to upgrade you need to remember a few things.
A. banstick. its a tremendous investment to pimp out a ton of characters to only see them smacked by the banstick. Doesn't happen too often but if even one of em gets caught thats a ton of time the RMT coulda spent getting more gil. RMT are gimp for a reason. Its more cost effective to zerg and let a few get banned than to have a small elite force of evil and have one of em being banned result in a ton of work recreating said character.

b. RMT willl foray out into new stuff when business is booming. If they sell all stones and earnings begin to cap(only so many ulli pop a day) they might decide to go kill byakko directly for even more money which has apparently happened due to an rmt having a seal in bazaar 2 nights ago. Selling gil drops from byakko and kirin is a profit still when you look at gilseller price vs gil drop prices.
All businesses try to improve or maximize profit.
Can't make any more money selling stones than we already do?
Hmm killing that thing that pops from the stone creates profit.
Wanna try and kill it for the money drops and then get even MORE gil selling abj?

 

[Sirelrohir]

Sirelrohir talking about cheaters being bad is just fucking hilarious.

funny it is, since certain people were just tryin to slander my name; some feeble minded people fell for it, and thats fine. whether u think i cheated or not doesnt make what i just said not true.

btw, a freind of a friend of a friend of mine said they saw skaw hack.

 

[jamal]

funny it is, since certain people were just tryin to slander my name; some feeble minded people fell for it, and thats fine. whether u think i cheated or not doesnt make what i just said not true.

btw, a freind of a friend of a friend of mine said they saw skaw hack.

skaw was on during the last temp ban, you weren't buuuuddy

 

[Skaw]

btw, a freind of a friend of a friend of mine said they saw skaw hack.

And yet, I wasn't effectively hiding during a 72 hour ban. Please. Back on topic.

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Yeah, the point is, most of them aren't going for the kills currently. They also aren't being banned. They aren't leaving anytime soon. You just have to knuckle down and bear it right now. You have three current options: Buy the stones, keep camping, or don't progress. Neither are great.

 

[Sirelrohir]

skaw was on during the last temp ban, you weren't buuuuddy

lol, thats right jamal, i wasnt. and? again, nothin to stand on but hearsay from a friend of a friend of a friend that has never interacted w/ me in game. good source.

back on topic; if i read your earlier post correctly, your saying its ok for linkshells to buy stones from rmt (cheaters)?