Stop buying Ulli stones, you *#%*tards

Sirelrohir said:
back on topic; if i read your earlier post correctly, your saying its ok for linkshells to buy stones from rmt (cheaters)?
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I'm not going to explain it a third time. Read again.
 
Skaw said:
And yet, I wasn't effectively hiding during a 72 hour ban. Please. Back on topic.



Yeah, the point is, most of them aren't going for the kills currently. They also aren't being banned. They aren't leaving anytime soon. You just have to knuckle down and bear it right now. You have three current options: Buy the stones, keep camping, or don't progress. Neither are great.
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back on topic indeed. What you are saying is that buying stones from proven cheaters is an ok thing to do. I contend that it makes the ls buying from cheaters as bad as the rmt themselves b/c all they are doing is paying for another ls to cheat for them.
 
Sirelrohir said:
back on topic indeed. What you are saying is that buying stones from proven cheaters is an ok thing to do. I contend that it makes the ls buying from cheaters as bad as the rmt themselves b/c all they are doing is paying for another ls to cheat for them.
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And again, if buying from known cheaters makes you a cheater, that makes everyone playing the game cheaters because of sold and resold items. That kind of logic is retarded.
 
It's not a black and white question because there's no "right" and "wrong". Merely people who argue that others are just as bad as cheaters for being in the same linkshell as cheaters have to accept they've portrayed morality as a very simplistic equation.

I don't really give a shit if they're RMT or not, rather that they use cheats to claim Ulli that I'd never, ever have tolerated out of a LS member. If it's not OK to team up with people who use cheats that aren't even used to directly fuck over other people and that makes you as bad as them, then how is it ok for the very same people to just PAY someone to cheat for them, which is exactly what they're doing.

Seriously, I couldn't give 2 flying fucks if they're RMT or not but all the stuff I hear about their methods of getting Ulli is pissing me off. What is acceptable???

How is having them as a group go farm your pop items and then give them money from your linkshell bank terribly different than having them as members and paying them their cut for camping? Oh wait, I know, you pay them more gil than you'd be paying your own LS members for spending the time to camp it, in exchange for not helping them get rare/ex gear that they don't even want.

It's not a problem to me that they're RMT. It's not a problem to me that they cheat. Rather it's a problem that they CHEAT to get the stone, and they cheat in such a way they they use 3rd party programs to outclaim your rival linkshells, and then you buy that stone from them knowingly. What more is there really to argue about?

That's kind of a killshot point. You can try to argue around it saying how when I buy Shihei for my ninja I'm buying from RMT. I'm the guy who doesn't give a shit about RMT. I'm the guy who believes in moral relativity. You don't argue that, you spend your time arguing against people like me. You don't get to take my stance when it's convieniant for you.
 
Firestreak said:
It's not a black and white question because there's no "right" and "wrong". Merely people who argue that others are just as bad as cheaters for being in the same linkshell as cheaters have to accept they've portrayed morality as a very simplistic equation.

I don't really give a shit if they're RMT or not, rather that they use cheats to claim Ulli that I'd never, ever have tolerated out of a LS member. If it's not OK to team up with people who use cheats that aren't even used to directly fuck over other people and that makes you as bad as them, then how is it ok for the very same people to just PAY someone to cheat for them, which is exactly what they're doing.

Seriously, I couldn't give 2 flying fucks if they're RMT or not but all the stuff I hear about their methods of getting Ulli is pissing me off. What is acceptable???

How is having them as a group go farm your pop items and then give them money from your linkshell bank terribly different than having them as members and paying them their cut for camping? Oh wait, I know, you pay them more gil than you'd be paying your own LS members for spending the time to camp it, in exchange for not helping them get rare/ex gear that they don't even want.

It's not a problem to me that they're RMT. It's not a problem to me that they cheat. Rather it's a problem that they CHEAT to get the stone, and they cheat in such a way they they use 3rd party programs to outclaim your rival linkshells, and then you buy that stone from them knowingly. What more is there really to argue about?

That's kind of a killshot point. You can try to argue around it saying how when I buy Shihei for my ninja I'm buying from RMT. I'm the guy who doesn't give a shit about RMT. I'm the guy who believes in moral relativity. You don't argue that, you spend your time arguing against people like me. You don't get to take my stance when it's convieniant for you.
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exactly. like i said before skaw and jamal attempted to bring this off topic. If you knowingly buy from known cheaters such as the people that are using flee tools to claim uli for the stone, then that is no better then your ls cheating in the same way.
 
Skaw said:
And again, if buying from known cheaters makes you a cheater, that makes everyone playing the game cheaters because of sold and resold items. That kind of logic is retarded.
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Yes and if being in the same linkshell as cheats make you a cheater, then people who are cheaters because their linkshell members cheated pass on "being a cheater" to every linkshell they're in and then all of them are cheaters, and then everyone in the game is a cheater.

It's the same fucking logic and some Kaizen peeps used it on me.
 
Firestreak said:
It's not a black and white question because there's no "right" and "wrong". Merely people who argue that others are just as bad as cheaters for being in the same linkshell as cheaters have to accept they've portrayed morality as a very simplistic equation.

I don't really give a shit if they're RMT or not, rather that they use cheats to claim Ulli that I'd never, ever have tolerated out of a LS member. If it's not OK to team up with people who use cheats that aren't even used to directly fuck over other people and that makes you as bad as them, then how is it ok for the very same people to just PAY someone to cheat for them, which is exactly what they're doing.

Seriously, I couldn't give 2 flying fucks if they're RMT or not but all the stuff I hear about their methods of getting Ulli is pissing me off. What is acceptable???

How is having them as a group go farm your pop items and then give them money from your linkshell bank terribly different than having them as members and paying them their cut for camping? Oh wait, I know, you pay them more gil than you'd be paying your own LS members for spending the time to camp it, in exchange for not helping them get rare/ex gear that they don't even want.

It's not a problem to me that they're RMT. It's not a problem to me that they cheat. Rather it's a problem that they CHEAT to get the stone, and they cheat in such a way they they use 3rd party programs to outclaim your rival linkshells, and then you buy that stone from them knowingly. What more is there really to argue about?

That's kind of a killshot point. You can try to argue around it saying how when I buy Shihei for my ninja I'm buying from RMT. I'm the guy who doesn't give a shit about RMT. I'm the guy who believes in moral relativity. You don't argue that, you spend your time arguing against people like me. You don't get to take my stance when it's convieniant for you.
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Wins.
 
Skaw said:
Yeah, the point is, most of them aren't going for the kills currently. They also aren't being banned. They aren't leaving anytime soon. You just have to knuckle down and bear it right now. You have three current options: Buy the stones, keep camping, or don't progress. Neither are great.
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I'm too stubborn for 2/3 of those.
I'm not letting myself get extorted to enjoy a game I play. Helping them will do nothing but encourage them more. The better off they are the more likely they are to move onto other stuff.

Why should I work my ass off to earn IGE money? Why should anyone have to or see that as a viable option? Last I checked I wasn't in china nor was I an IGE employee.
 
Mistra said:
Man what the fuck is with people creating new accounts to post in? Quit hiding, be a fucking man.
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I totally again with you. Not man enough. :bb:
 
jamal said:
Amen

Celv. 75% of the History on AH and claims at behemoth come from GS. Its not just a chance that you're helping RMT, its a wide chance. Bitching and whining because you can't get a sky item is piss ass pathetic. If kaizen were up countering you guys, you still wouldn't get the stones. Your shortcomings arent kaizens fault, so don't bitch and moan because you didn't get one thing in this game that you can post a good times thread ab.

And when the coins were split up evenly, the people either gave you there coins or Sold them. I know this, because they were my customers, don't only tell half the story.
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your theory is flawed there is only 1 provider of ulli stone. Gil seller are the only one that sell the stone. B Hide can come from bcnm, sky, or kings, they not the only one that sells b hides. Take you head out of kaizen ass.

Skaw your theory is flawed as well. By buying these stones you are showing them that they win that they can control the market and the player base will follow. It will be only matter time till they will send large number to killl kings because they know you will buy ridills and defender rings from them. There no skill in killing these mobs only skill come from claiming which with there hacks they have the advantage on that.

edit: also by your logic with shirelrohir, by kaizen no apperance in this thread they are showing they know it is wrong and dont care if they cheat.
 
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Seriously, this thing can't be won because when trying to villify me I forced the people attacking me to draw out their beliefs as a solid foundation of "right and wrong" to justify that their own views of morality are correct while I was wrong to use my views of morality to dictate what I did. In the process they built a case against themselves because their exact same logic calls themselves cheaters applied in this situation. It's sad because if they hadn't I'd probably be on their side right now.
 
Skaw said:
So instead of the RMT actually bolstering their power with Haidate, you children bicker over linkshells who actually want to get around the bottleneck by buying their stones?

Seriously. What would you rather have... the RMT getting gil to sell, or the RMT becoming more capable of fighting a wider variety of (H)NMs? Jesus Christ, grow up and look at the bigger picture. If buying Autumnstones prevents RMT becoming what they are on other servers, then god dammit, do it. People that buy them are almost doing the rest of us a service by effectively repressing RMTs capabilities in the rest of the game.
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Skaw...this hasto be one of the worst things I've ever heard from you. =/
Haidates will not make or break their chances killing a wider variety oh HNMs. They can already do Fafhogg, Behemoth/KB, Aspid, Roc, Simurgh, LoO, have gotten somewhat far on Cerberus. They haven't successfully done the dragons yet, but considering their difficulty versus drop rate, why would they? Yeah, it'll make it a LITTLE easier for them but it won't be a long shot make them able to kill something new. *edit* Not to mention, they already have far more than enough RMT to kill everything they want to right now. Getting some haste/dex pants won't make them able to magically spread out more than they already are, either *edit*

They would sooner sell an Autumnstone because that guaruntees them 8mil with MUCH less effort than they would just doing a blind shot at Kirin and hoping for (a) an Osode/S.Cloth, and/or (b) someone coincidentally waiting around to lot W.Legs/N.Body 9etc)
 
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Firestreak said:
Too bad Courtney and Neophytal don't wanna defend Kaizen's position on this matter. They always have so much to say when other LSes are under fire. Not to mention Neophytal's boast if I recall about what he'd do if his own LS was doing something immoral.
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I'm guessing they've been muzzled.
 
Firestreak said:
Yes and if being in the same linkshell as cheats make you a cheater, then people who are cheaters because their linkshell members cheated pass on "being a cheater" to every linkshell they're in and then all of them are cheaters, and then everyone in the game is a cheater.

It's the same fucking logic and some Kaizen peeps used it on me.
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Ok so you know most AH items are got from cheaters now you going to stop useing the AH? No did not think so
 
hellstorm said:
edit: also by your logic with shirelrohir, by kaizen no apperance in this thread they are showing they know it is wrong and dont care if they cheat.
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Winner :crazy:
 
Zodiaque said:
Like Meeze said, if you want it to be easy, go buy a game that you can get a Gameshark for...

It's too bad you can't MPK, I'd enjoy watching Meeze do that to the sellers...and no, I wouldn't raise them...
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Thats whats up. Let me MPK and everything will be solved. Someone petition SE.
 
Firestreak said:
Trying to make a subtle point about hypocrisy not persecute the server.
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Sorry explain please never heard of those words
 
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