Stop buying Ulli stones, you *#%*tards

Lol Meeze, have you ever, once in your life not blown something way out of proportion? I dont undestand why your life is so sad and depressing that you have to sit on qcdn all day talkin shit on everyone that has had more success then you. Ive quit this game 3 times, because yes, it does get to me sometimes, but ive never quit over not getting an item. Ive quit because the games loses its fun sometimes, well more like a lot. Ive played this game Going on 4 years now, and i barely have anything to show for it. R/ex wise that is. I have plenty of buyable equips, but i earned them. I had 95+ clothcraft while i was in your ls, hell ive had 95 clothcraft for a long ass time. Just recently wihtint the last 4 months got it from 95-99. I dont have to buy gil, (even if i wanted to i couldnt, i can barely afford to play this game.) I have right now, almost 600 playtime days.. I used to play 18+ hrs a day. I made plenty of gil to support clothcraft to 95. Since then ive made many items that you could only dream of owning, ive made easily 250mil in the last 10 months in CC. Many people would back me on what ive made. When you play as much as I do, (well used to) its easy to make money. Why do people flame those they are jealous of? Because someone has been lucky or successful in a fucking videogame you have to flame them because you arent? I dont know who i respect less, Meeze Or Kaizen, Meeze has always been trash with a big mouth. I hear Kaizen is always recruiting trash, maybe you should talk t othem about teaming up. Even though i dont think even kaizen would take the likes of you. Its a game dude, dont u have anything better to do then sit on this site flaming? Play the game, have fun with the game. If you arent having fun, then leave. Why make it less fun for everyone else? For as long as i can remember thats all you've done, is try to make it less fun for everyone else. Please do yourself a favor, and try to grow up someday.
And Invincible who the fuck are you? Cant even use your real ingame name? If your gonna flame someone dont hide behind your fake ass name. And read my post about that incident.. Achelois had my Aristocrats Coat, my royal cloak was in the AH, and i was never selling a SH. State your name or stfu.
 
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Yaaaagh.
 
Deserves quoting.

Mishaela said:
With all due respect, saying you're buying the stone to get the gear without the effort is the exact f-!king same as some random retard buying a million gil or two. "Because it'll help them get the gear that much easier".

Glad to know where some of you stand with this.
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Fubio said:
Lol Meeze, have you ever, once in your life not blown something way out of proportion? I dont undestand why your life is so sad and depressing that you have to sit on qcdn all day talkin shit on everyone that has had more success then you. Ive quit this game 3 times, because yes, it does get to me sometimes, but ive never quit over not getting an item. Ive quit because the games loses its fun sometimes, well more like a lot. Ive played this game Going on 4 years now, and i barely have anything to show for it. R/ex wise that is. I have plenty of buyable equips, but i earned them. I had 95+ clothcraft while i was in your ls, hell ive had 95 clothcraft for a long ass time. Just recently wihtint the last 4 months got it from 95-99. I dont have to buy gil, (even if i wanted to i couldnt, i can barely afford to play this game.) I have right now, almost 600 playtime days.. I used to play 18+ hrs a day. I made plenty of gil to support clothcraft to 95. Since then ive made many items that you could only dream of owning, ive made easily 250mil in the last 10 months in CC. Many people would back me on what ive made. When you play as much as I do, (well used to) its easy to make money. Why do people flame those they are jealous of? Because someone has been lucky or successful in a fucking videogame you have to flame them because you arent? I dont know who i respect less, Meeze Or Kaizen, Meeze has always been trash with a big mouth. I hear Kaizen is always recruiting trash, maybe you should talk t othem about teaming up. Even though i dont think even kaizen would take the likes of you. Its a game dude, dont u have anything better to do then sit on this site flaming? Play the game, have fun with the game. If you arent having fun, then leave. Why make it less fun for everyone else? For as long as i can remember thats all you've done, is try to make it less fun for everyone else. Please do yourself a favor, and try to grow up someday.
And Invincible who the fuck are you? Cant even use your real ingame name? If your gonna flame someone dont hide behind your fake ass name. And read my post about that incident.. Achelois had my Aristocrats Coat, my royal cloak was in the AH, and i was never selling a SH. State your name or stfu.
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All your talking about is the since you've had 95 CC. When you had 70 and under CC all you did was cry about how you have no gil and this and that. Sure, once you have 95 CC you can bang out the gil, thats a no brainer.

You still had to borrow a petty 1mil from Quitita to get your N. Body uncursed. Turn around your spamming /shouts about selling/buying high priced items. It was a miracle to say the least, month after needing to borrow 1m your on your way to being uber rich.

Next time you get hacked, ask one of the "girls" you fall in love with if it was them. Didn't you fall in love with Ach once when he was on some chicks acct?
 
Wow didnt take you long to reply. /surprised. So you have nothing new to say? I had to borrow 1mil to uncursed my Nbody. Holy shit. Ive borrowed more then 1 mil before, and on many occassions. Im sure the majority of the people that play this game has borrowed gil at one point in time, wow, incredible logic. So same old shit huh? Ach has so much free time that he spent countless hours talking to me and doing everything i do huh? That guy has some major issues if that is the case. This is pretty old news though, I deny it, you say no it happened i was there i know for sure. Then i deny it some more. Ya, its the same old shit. Same old meeze nothing new to ever say. You feel like picking a fight with me because? just to fight? Same old meeze. You are the king of hear/say someone said it, it must be true, im going to flame them. Its not just me, but you do it to everyone. Maybe you should start worrying about yourself instead of everyone else, its obvious your the one with the problems, not everyone else.
Im done with this subject, Peace.
Fubs
 
point is, you were broke, always complaining about gil. You were never comfortable with your situation and it showed through to everyone. Ask anyone who was in Sora how surprised they were to see you have all this shit you do now.

I don't need to add anything new because I laid it all out for you.

Edit: according to the clock, I answered almost 2 hours later, not exactly turbo speed.
 
Hey celvantes you gunna use that leet I.M. gorget when you get that thur aegis? At least you finally dropped the earth staff. Oh and I hope those leet crimson pants are for kiting and not straight tanking. Straight tanking in crimson is omglol... Also pld DD sucks. Level warrior.

This thread's been hella derailed.

Fubio why don't you go wipe to Fafnir then CFH on it some more?
 
Yo Meeze. You already know I hate your bs attitude, but I'll make this brief. Keep the flaming to the flameboard moron & also make sure you get your damn facts straight. Everything Echild said is on the damn money. There's no reason for you to target BDS members posts & be a little bitch to everyone.

Example:
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Firestreak said:
Would just like to edit in here... am deeply disappointed in how people's regular attitudes change based on who is being accused. Normally, I'm the ONLY person arguing in defense of someone who violates a stigma, and when they do it I find myself surrounded with people who for any other LS would be down their throats. It's kind of sad. But who knows, maybe my concept of relative morality is just becoming mainstream now. =p
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I've argued for them too. You're not alone.

Either way, as for the subject at hand, I hate gilsellers as much as anyone else. I would never knowingly buy something from a gilseller, because that'd be suporting them. However, if someone else wants to buy things from them, I won't jump down their throat for it. Its their choice if they want to support them or not.

That being said, what I don't like about it is that Kaizen always take a strict no-cheating policy when it comes to every other person playing the game. If they're going to argue about other people to not buy gil, not cheat and everythign else, they better not be doing it themselves. If a politician says that everyone must pay their taxes, you expect them to pay their own taxes.
 
Before I jump into the topic of the post, I'd like to explain why a reply hasn't been made by a Kaizen member in the past 30 pages of this thread. Despite what many may think, we don't have a rule strictly forbidding members from posting on the flameboards. What we do have is an unwritten policy asking members to refrain from making posts within the flameboard. The general consensus of the shell is that we don't want to deal with drama that has a tendency to follow us around. In cases such as this where a flame is directed at us, I (or one of the other leaders) would say to the shell that we would appreciate it if no one post in the topic. This isn't a threat that if they do post, they would be booted from the shell or anything of that nature. We just feel that a post coming from one of the leaders would be more official since we're the ones that run the linkshell. In this instance, I personally asked the shell to refrain from posting.

Another thing I want to address would be the jabs at Nasya (since she's the moderater of this section) saying that she would eventually lock the topic simply because this was being directed at our linkshell. When Nas originally signed up for the job of moderating, she said to Sculli that problems may arise due to the fact that she was a leader of Kaizen. However, over the course of her being a moderator for the flameboard, I have yet to see her lock a thread because we (Kaizen) wanted to avoid drama of some sort. Had there been an issue about her being a mod from the time she volunteered to do so, I'm sure someone would have said something by now. I also want to say that even if Nas did lock this thread, it wouldn't stop anyone from bringing the original topic back to life. One last thing I would like to add before I get on topic would be that locking this thread would be the last thing the shell would have wanted. When the thread was created, the very first thing I thought of was that I would eventually have to reply to it. If you've been around long enough to remember previous threads, we have always had someone reply if the topic was directed at us.

Well, to start off with, does Kaizen buy Autumnstones? Yes, we do but that isn't the entire story. More recently, we have been buying stones through bazaars. However, roughly a year ago we actually had discussions and dealings with both NA and JP linkshells to purchase stones. As of today, two of these linkshells have disbanded and 1 is still active. I would like to point out again that all our recent transactions were done through bazaar. We have not sought out famous RMT names when checking bazaars nor have we searched Ru'Avitau and asked said names if they were sellings stones as some have implied. We don't even look for bazaars for that matter. Our process of buying stones is that if a member happens to see one in a bazaar for a reasonable price, then they can buy it and the money we have set aside in our bank can refund them. Our main reason for doing this rather then camping Ulli is because in a gil/hr/sanity ratio, we are able to fund the money it takes to buy a stone in less time killing HNM's. More to the point would be that the drops we end up getting from Byakko funds itself. It may be the easy way out of not having to camp Ulli but that doesn't invalidate our Byakko kill or the Kirin that follows.

We still put in the effort it took to gather every single item to spawn Kirin and taking it from 100 to 0. Some compared this to grabbing a credit card and buying gil straight from a website. This logic is flawed because the gil we earned which was used to purchase the stone was done through the game. The effort we put in-game as well as in-game economics allows us to afford stones. It's as simple as that. The things we do to obtain gil is something every other shell is capable of doing. We don't have a magical program that allows us to take out that Tiamat or to kill that Kirin in under a minute despite what many may believe. Any shell with the drive and motivation is able to do that.

To go into more detail about the bazaar's we buy from. These bazaar's are lvl 1 mules right outside of jeuno, have no pearls on, no comments, nothing. If you went out to batallia right now you'd see about 50 of those just standing around. Granted, it's suspicious when all they have is an Autumnstone in their bazaar but unless you track every single Ulli kill, how would you go about knowing if the mule belongs to an RMT? There's just as much chance that the mule can belong to an NA/JP/EU player that has a stone and decided for some reason to sell it. It's a chance that's being taken but that same thing can be said about purchases through the AH. You don't know exactly who's selling it, how they obtained it, or why they're selling it. Until SE tracks every single player that sells gil and stamps a giant red RMT on their character's forehead, there's just as much chance of us buying from a gil seller as anyone that purchases from the AH. A lot of people are claiming with 100% certainty that we buy all our stones from RMT. This logic is flawed due to the fact that even we are unable to know for certain who we buy stones from. For others to say that they know our business better than we do is a very radical claim.

Let's say for a moment that there were no RMT's on the server. Can anyone honestly say that someone else wouldn't fill their spot and do the same thing? Even if they were gone, 5 different shells would take their place simply because there's less competition. Not only is this a plausible case it was how things were when sky started to become overcrowded. During that time when there were no RMT's in sky, Autumnstones were still being sold in bazaar's. We were not the first ones to buy stones and I'm sure we won't be the last. To bring up a point, the original idea of buying stones didn't even originate from us. There were numerous JP's that would sell stones for 15mil+ constantly because there was a market for it between other JP's. If anyone remembers the name Peavey, she was one of the few JP players we purchased stones from on several occasions.

It's quite clear from reading this thread that there are a few people that hold a grudge against us as a linkshell for whatever reason. Their views aren't going to change based on what is said in this post and that's fine. This post isn't for them. We felt that a reply to those that read QCDN should know where we stand on the subject matter. Part of the reason why we didn't reply initially is because we didn't want to react too hastily to the comments and insults that were directed at our linkshell and at some of our members. In spite of what was said about us, we still wanted to state our views about the topic at hand so that anyone can get both sides of the story. In addition to that, we felt that us responding immaturely to said comments would have just caused further problems and would have prevented us from explaining anything in decency.
 
To be honest, I don't see anyone holding a grudge. Any linkshell that was caught buying pops from gilsellers would be held to just as much criticism here. In fact, most would be held to more insults and pages of cheap shots with information irrelevant to the subject at hand. As well several posters who defended you would probably be attacking any other linkshell. So I don't think it's fair to try and press the point that you're being held with higher standards due to in-game success.

As well I don't think anyone argued they thought Nasya would lock the thread or abuse her powers as admin here - so not really sure what that's about.

As far as a "grudge" I think you may me misinterpreting, at least if you're refering towards me as included as people holding a grudge. I don't particulary care in a more general sense if you want to buy from RMT(and let's be honest, we all know that's where stones TODAY are coming from), rather I hold some ill-will towards particular Kaizen members(who I never argued are representative), who are particulary active on the QCDN flameboard and express extremely high moral standards when judging other people, which makes them very hypocritical for accepting RMT obtained items.
 
Firestreak said:
To be honest, I don't see anyone holding a grudge. Any linkshell that was caught buying pops from gilsellers would be held to just as much criticism here. In fact, most would be held to more insults and pages of cheap shots with information irrelevant to the subject at hand. As well several posters who defended you would probably be attacking any other linkshell. So I don't think it's fair to try and press the point that you're being held with higher standards due to in-game success.

As well I don't think anyone argued they thought Nasya would lock the thread or abuse her powers as admin here - so not really sure what that's about.

As far as a "grudge" I think you may me misinterpreting, at least if you're refering towards me as included as people holding a grudge. I don't particulary care in a more general sense if you want to buy from RMT(and let's be honest, we all know that's where stones TODAY are coming from), rather I hold some ill-will towards particular Kaizen members(who I never argued are representative), who are particulary active on the QCDN flameboard and express extremely high moral standards when judging other people, which makes them very hypocritical for accepting RMT obtained items.
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this pretty much my view as well
 
Someone had mentioned that it would "mysteriously" be locked or something of that matter. Nasya is a fair person so I doubt that would ever be an issue.
 
I thought it would be locked but I said kaizen wouldn't have anything to do with it. All big linkshell flames get locked eventually, I was just pointing out it seemed like the strategy was to let the clock run until that happened.
 
Firestreak said:
I thought it would be locked but I said kaizen wouldn't have anything to do with it. All big linkshell flames get locked eventually, I was just pointing out it seemed like the strategy was to let the clock run until that happened.
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It probably will be locked, it's been derailed and debated to the point where we're almost out of things to debate about that is relevant to the OP. Was an interesting read though.
 
Almaut said:
There's just as much chance that the mule can belong to an NA/JP/EU player that has a stone and decided for some reason to sell it.
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I don't post very often, if ever, to threads on qcdn, but I have been following this thread with some interest.
I am appalled that any legitimate sky shell would knowingly buy Ulli drops from RMT. While this server doesn't have the troubles that other shells do when it comes to RMT, we must keep pressure on them by CC'ing them at every opportunity or they will run rampant. Of course this is just my opinion on the matter.

As to the quote above, that particular statement I truly disagree with. Since we know that RMT camp Ulli almost 24/7 and we know they probably get him several times a day, I would say it is a greater chance that a lvl 1, no ls mule is a RMT mule selling it. I don't know of any shells that would sell an Ulli drop, maybe I haven't been in sky long enough to know of shells that would spend the time/gil/sanity to get the NM just to sell the drop in a bazaar.

My bigger issue here is one of responsibility. The Kaizen LS, is in general, universally respected and thought of as the mark that other shells strive to obtain(no offense to other strong NA shells out there). This in turn means that Kaizen bears the responsibility, whether they want it or not, of maintaining a high standard of excellence. To me, this means being very wary of where they obtain their Ulli drops.
I'm not sure whether my opinion matters or not in this matter, but personally my opinion of Kaizen has dropped quite a lot I see the statement above as their justification of doing exactly what they are accused of.
 
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Every single non rmt ls that is camping uli is not going to sell that stone. Its not worth their time to sit there and cc rmt bots for 10 hours with a very big chance of not getting the stone. The legit ls' that actually show up to camp uli are going to use that stone. If u guys actually camped it, you would know. Instead, you are attempting to use ignorance as an excuse. I dont buy it. For all your faults, you guys arent ignorant; you know whats up in sky these days.
 
Almaut said:
To go into more detail about the bazaar's we buy from. These bazaar's are lvl 1 mules right outside of jeuno, have no pearls on, no comments, nothing. If you went out to batallia right now you'd see about 50 of those just standing around. Granted, it's suspicious when all they have is an Autumnstone in their bazaar but unless you track every single Ulli kill, how would you go about knowing if the mule belongs to an RMT? There's just as much chance that the mule can belong to an NA/JP/EU player that has a stone and decided for some reason to sell it. It's a chance that's being taken but that same thing can be said about purchases through the AH. You don't know exactly who's selling it, how they obtained it, or why they're selling it. Until SE tracks every single player that sells gil and stamps a giant red RMT on their character's forehead, there's just as much chance of us buying from a gil seller as anyone that purchases from the AH. A lot of people are claiming with 100% certainty that we buy all our stones from RMT. This logic is flawed due to the fact that even we are unable to know for certain who we buy stones from. For others to say that they know our business better than we do is a very radical claim.
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I don't post very often, if ever, to threads on qcdn, but I have been following this thread with some interest.
I am appalled that any legitimate sky shell would knowingly buy Ulli drops from RMT. While this server doesn't have the troubles that other shells do when it comes to RMT, we must keep pressure on them by CC'ing them at every opportunity or they will run rampant. Of course this is just my opinion on the matter.

As to the quote above, that particular statement I truly disagree with. Since we know that RMT camp Ulli almost 24/7 and we know they probably get him several times a day, I would say it is a greater chance that a lvl 1, no ls mule is a RMT mule selling it. I don't know of any shells that would sell an Ulli drop, maybe I haven't been in sky long enough to know of shells that would spend the time/gil/sanity to get the NM just to sell the drop in a bazaar.

My bigger issue here is one of responsibility. The Kaizen LS, is in general, universally respected and thought of as the mark that other shells strive to obtain(no offense to other strong NA shells out there). This in turn means that Kaizen bears the responsibility, whether they want it or not, of maintaining a high standard of excellence. To me, this means being very wary of where they obtain their Ulli drops.
I'm not sure whether my opinion matters or not in this matter, but personally my opinion of Kaizen has dropped quite a lot I see the statement above as their justification of doing exactly what they are accused of.
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My previous statement isn't a justification. It's a simple fact that the mules we purchase a stone from could be any group of players that happen to have a stone at the time we come across one in a bazaar. Yes, we know RMT's are up at Ulli 24/7. But as I mentioned in my previous post, we know that some of our stones are from JP's players simply through sending them tells about purchasing it from them. One thing I would like to mention is the fact that over the course of the last year, we've purchased at most 10 stones. I'm not trying to detract from the point of the thread but I'm sure there are 100's of more stones that came into existence during that time.

A lot of things can occur within a years time. Shells can disband and autumnstones are left in a players inventory. Whatever the reason, when we see them in a bazaar for a reasonable price, we buy it. Like I mentioned before, we don't know who owns these lvl 1 mules. There isn't anything identifiable about them that would make them stand out from the other mule standing right next to it selling other items.
 
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