Stop buying Ulli stones, you *#%*tards

NOONE is stupid enough to sell an ulli stone that isnt rmt. It's that simple. An ulli stone randomly being owned by a person thats selling it from a sky ls that broke is a 1 in a million chance since most sky ls would try and kill byakko one last time before letting that go away. If not that then the person would jion another ls and kill byakko with a few extra lotting rights.Kirin alone would make more money than whatever "reasonable price" you payed even if the ulli stone holder got all drops from byakko if you consider the abj worth anything.
 
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Right Almaut Right

nothings stopping rmt atm, they're up there farming god pops and killing the gods themselves. Who cares where they buy the stones or what they buy. as you say, they're up there 24/7 camping ulli and getting them more times then not. so about 2 stones for rmt each day, i doubt kaizen or anyone else who buys stones are buying up all those stones. So they must have more ulli stones then they know what to do with correct? Then why havent they stopped camping ulli? Nothings stopping these RMTs from camping ulli wether or not anyone buy or doesn't buy. They'll be there and they'll be CCing us.

I mean if they don't sell the stones, they could always kill byakko and bring out even more gil. From B hide to D ingot to D logs, when thinking about it, buying stones for what....1-3 mil would do us all a favor.

I hate those rmt as much as the other guys but who cares? I doubt kaizen is out with a crusade agaisnt RMT. Play the damn game, get your gear then shaddap you know.

i repeat, RMT will always be there unless this task force does their work. Wether we buy or do not buy, they wont stop sky and they know about whats up there as much as all of us. I'm not saying Anyone is buying the stones here, I'm just saying there's nothing you can do about it.


bye
 
Khajit said:
NOONE is stupid enough to sell an ulli stone that isnt rmt. It's that simple. An ulli stone randomly being owned by a person thats selling it from a sky ls that broke is a 1 in a million chance since most sky ls would try and kill byakko one last time before letting that go away. If not that then the person would jion another ls and kill byakko with a few extra lotting rights.Kirin alone would make more money than whatever "reasonable price" you payed even if the ulli stone holder got all drops from byakko if you consider the abj worth anything.
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Actually, I know people who have sold stones they earned on their own time before. They got Ulli with an exp party, got the stone and threw it up in their bazaar for like 10 mil. Someone bought it, and that was that. And before you say it, they were in a linkshell that did sky, they just didn't think that anyone would actually buy the stone for 10 mil; but they were wrong.

There are also people who list other sky pop items for purchasable values(mostly seals though), ulli stones just cost a lot more than the rest. While it's not a common occurance, it DOES happen.
 
Was just a matter of time

Takes alot to get me to post so i'll make it short.

RESPECT is earned not bought

Therefore i have absolutley No Respect
for Kaizen and all their endeavours.
 
yayayy said:
I am another anonymous poster on QCDN. I am an idiot, and I already know this. Any point I try and make is immediately disregarded as useful. Actually, my OWNED comment was fucking stupid anyways. Carry on.
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Ok, thanks for the heads up bub.
 
meeze said:
i don't get it.
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LAWL for once in my life.... i actually agree with Meeze in saying "i have no fucking clue what the hell that meant rofl....
 
jyakotsu said:
LAWL for once in my life.... i actually agree with Meeze in saying "i have no fucking clue what the hell that meant rofl....
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There was a post there, before it was deleted saying:

Where's the one with you guys buying Ulli stones from Avijahkikahj.


Note that the quote is not exact, but similar.
 
Khajit said:
NOONE is stupid enough to sell an ulli stone that isnt rmt. It's that simple. An ulli stone randomly being owned by a person thats selling it from a sky ls that broke is a 1 in a million chance since most sky ls would try and kill byakko one last time before letting that go away. If not that then the person would jion another ls and kill byakko with a few extra lotting rights.Kirin alone would make more money than whatever "reasonable price" you payed even if the ulli stone holder got all drops from byakko if you consider the abj worth anything.
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Don't be so gullible. There are many players out there who still sell Ullikuumi stones. One of my great ingame friends is trying to sell one he got up there with some friends one day. Don't generalize that only RMT sell them. That's liek saying only RMT sell Okote, Fume Kyahan, etc when infact they aren't the only ones, you can outclaim them albeit not always but it is posisble and has been done multiple times. Don't run your mouth about shit you think you know.
 
The following is cynicism, read and bedazzled (lawl).

RMT are probably stockpiling like crazy for the Christmas blowout. Since the prices are low right now, and they have how much gil? All they have to do is lower the gil prices to a substantial level that people will actually buy to maximize profit. Then we have crazy inflation as people rush to spend their new gil, prices fly up, gilsellers sell the items, jack up price, more gilbuying, cycle, cycle... profit. It's happened before, hasn't it? Why not again?

That is why I think Squeenix made the special force whatever, to stop us from screwing the whole economy up completely. Because really, do you think they wanna lose money needlessly banning accounts? They probably want to ban high profile Gilsellers, but other than that, I wouldn't think they would want to harm their precious income, as we have seen in the past.
So how does this tie in?

The obvious- Buying from RMT = bad

the saying, "You can fool others, but you can't fool yourself." seems to fit well too. I hope people really don't buy whatchamacallit stones from RMT. Maybe people really don't. Who really knows? The people involved.

By knowingly buying large lump sums of gil from RMT, you are essentially giving them power over the economy on a silver platter. At least make them work for it, make them do tricks like a dog or something. Its only a matter of time before they gain enough power/ use it. When they have the resources to milk the economy for financial gains, why won't they?

Hindsight is clearer, I guess we just have to see what happens. I hope I'm wrong about all of this. Time to sleep.
 
Firestreak said:
As far as a "grudge" I think you may me misinterpreting, at least if you're refering towards me as included as people holding a grudge. I don't particulary care in a more general sense if you want to buy from RMT(and let's be honest, we all know that's where stones TODAY are coming from), rather I hold some ill-will towards particular Kaizen members(who I never argued are representative), who are particulary active on the QCDN flameboard and express extremely high moral standards when judging other people, which makes them very hypocritical for accepting RMT obtained items.
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Looks like this was a fun topic. Been away in China for a month (and no, not supervising gilsellers :P )

The shell you belonged to used claim bots to try to outclaim regular players.
The shell you owned used fleehacks as a tactic to earn items.
Neither of which you felt were wrong enough to speak up about.

Maybe you should have a look at the definition of the term "hypocritical" that you've been spreading around so much...
 
Courtney said:
Looks like this was a fun topic. Been away in China for a month (and no, not supervising gilsellers :P )

The shell you belonged to used claim bots to try to outclaim regular players.
The shell you owned used fleehacks as a tactic to earn items.
Neither of which you felt were wrong enough to speak up about.

Maybe you should have a look at the definition of the term "hypocritical" that you've been spreading around so much...
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Actually... Firestreak isn't hypocritical for it. He's said over and over again that he don't care if people use flee hacks, bots etc. What he's saying is that people who take a strong stand aganst RMT, flee hacks, bots, w/e, and constantly argue against them, and then turn around and do it themselves, are hypocritical.

That is not hypocritical of him.

Both of us have argued it before.

It is in no way, shape, or form, hypocritical to not care.

it IS, however, hypocritical of Kaizen to be against RMT, when they, themselves, support it through buying stones from RMT. Ignorance is never a good defense.
 
Uzor said:
Actually... Firestreak isn't hypocritical for it. He's said over and over again that he don't care if people use flee hacks, bots etc. What he's saying is that people who take a strong stand aganst RMT, flee hacks, bots, w/e, and constantly argue against them, and then turn around and do it themselves, are hypocritical.

That is not hypocritical of him.

Both of us have argued it before.

It is in no way, shape, or form, hypocritical to not care.

it IS, however, hypocritical of Kaizen to be against RMT, when they, themselves, support it through buying stones from RMT. Ignorance is never a good defense.
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Ahh, so Firestreak is for RMT, fleehacking and botting, but he's believes that buying an item that may have been originally obtained by illegal means (like I guess a fair proportion of O Kotes, Speed belts, and Krakens obviously were), is the same as using the hacks yourself (even though he doesn't believe that's wrong). That's a pretty wide bow, and I missed that the first time around.

I guess I shouldn't post after only reading a few pages, thanks for setting me straight.

later ^^
 
Bajaratt said:
Actually, I know people who have sold stones they earned on their own time before. They got Ulli with an exp party, got the stone and threw it up in their bazaar for like 10 mil. Someone bought it, and that was that. And before you say it, they were in a linkshell that did sky, they just didn't think that anyone would actually buy the stone for 10 mil; but they were wrong.

There are also people who list other sky pop items for purchasable values(mostly seals though), ulli stones just cost a lot more than the rest. While it's not a common occurance, it DOES happen.
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ya maybe before they change the ulli system, before gil seller camp it every window, before they started using bots. All that in past now, because rmt turn uli into sea serpent grotto.
 
Courtney said:
Ahh, so Firestreak is for RMT, fleehacking and botting, but he's believes that buying an item that may have been originally obtained by illegal means (like I guess a fair proportion of O Kotes, Speed belts, and Krakens obviously were), is the same as using the hacks yourself (even though he doesn't believe that's wrong). That's a pretty wide bow, and I missed that the first time around.

I guess I shouldn't post after only reading a few pages, thanks for setting me straight.

later ^^
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Being indifferent isnt the same as being for something. As far as i can read, Firestreak doesnt really care about the fact that you buy Ulli-stones, rather only that you try to take a moral high-ground while doing it. Wich infact is hypocritical.

And no, i couldn't care less about your shell buying the stone's. If you have the gil to do it, more power to you. I do however think Fire's points are rather clear.
 
Apu said:
Takes alot to get me to post so i'll make it short.

RESPECT is earned not bought

Therefore i have absolutley No Respect
for Kaizen and all their endeavours.
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Guess multiple Tiamat, Vrtra, Jorm, Bahamut, as well as land kings doesn't earn respect. Not to mention the fact they have done Ulli in the past. I'm flaming every bard who has a manteel that didn't kill vrtra. They didn't earn the manteel, they bought it.
 
jamal said:
Guess multiple Tiamat, Vrtra, Jorm, Bahamut, as well as land kings doesn't earn respect. Not to mention the fact they have done Ulli in the past. I'm flaming every bard who has a manteel that didn't kill vrtra. They didn't earn the manteel, they bought it.
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In all honesty though Jamal, how can you effectively flame someone for that? There are only two North American linkshells I can think of that are capable of killing Vrtra, and have done it. Many players don't have access to these linkshells. Makes sense to me at least =|.
 
I just want to start off by saying I’m truly sorry you all feel this way about the way kaizen obtains some of their stones. I'll start by reminding everyone we don’t buy from bazaars/people that we know or believe to be rmt. What more can we do? I know some of you feel we should be camping ulli aiding our fellow players in taking down the enemy which is rmt.

I'm sorry but I’m tired of hearing about rmt. This is a game, I play to have fun. Not to set out on some holy crusade in defeating the evil rmt's. We try our best not to add to the problem by not purchasing stones we know are rmt. Please try and understand myself and most my fellow members situation. Three years. That’s how long most of us have been doing sky. And like with most shells Ulli has always been a big part of sky. Standing around camping for hours in hopes that we get his claim. Personally I feel I've served my time at Ulli. I'm a very dedicated player, I rarely miss events in my shells and that includes the boring camping ones.

I received my byakko's haidate from a stone that was purchased from BD. Does that mean I didn't earn it? Does the fact that I didn't camp this particular Ulli mean that mines worth any less then others? I spent 70 points on that item. That’s 70 hours I spent camping with my shell at different events. Many of the people I've seen post on this thread against Kaizens actions are people who are friends of mine. So I felt the need to post here because it hurts me when people say I didn't earn my gear.

Will not buying stones result in rmt leaving Ulli alone? Possibly, but not any time soon. But do you know what? Not buying O kote's or B hides off the AH will have the same results. No you can't tell who is selling items that are sold off the AH I know this. I guess next time we buy a stone we'll look more closely at the name tag of the mule standing around.

Please don't use you can't pick who you buy from on the AH copout because the fact of the matter is 80% of those items are being sold by rmt campers and another 15% are being sold by people who had bought an rmt camped item and are now done with it. If you’re going to fight the war against rmt don't place it all on kaizens shoulders saying we need to set the example. Because our shells goal is to have fun. Not to fight wars that cannot be won. Go ahead and keep blaming us for all you rmt problems if you wish, I can change your views no more then I can magically make the rmt go away.
(Please note: These are my own personal views, not that of my shells.)
 
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