Stop buying Ulli stones, you *#%*tards

[Xan]

And yes kisada, i do know who you are; your some dumbfuck that needed help in sea. I remember b/c i was tryin to talk cyro out of helping your dumb ass. You think i would make that shit up out of the blue?

You obviously have no idea who or what you are talking about.

Though now, Kisada can only begrudgingly admit to this, his CoP group, composed of ex-members from our LS (namely Liefe, Dua, and Candia), were pretty much the first NA group to get access to sea, as well as to get their CoP Rings once the remainder of the storyline was finally introduced.

I vividly remember this, as my CoP group's progress had come to a halt because we were having quite a hard time getting people organized and present at the events. I was left extremely jealous because I wanted the ring myself.

This being so, there's no way what you have stated can be true. Kis and his group got through all of CoP on their own. So yes, it's safe to say that you are either manufacturing information, or are gravely mistaken. You might want to look up the proper spelling of the name of whom you speak of.

 

[Crosis]

Not off the bazaar that Crosis was flaunting a few pages back as a JP selling a stone.

!5 mill, and Japanese text in the bazaar text window. If I recall not a level 1 either.

But... those aren't the stones you're buying...?

It was an example to prove that other people do sell stones. Also, he only recently raised the price to 15m.

And like Neo already said we got a stone for 3mil from a JP doing an ENM right after killing Tiamat.

I bet if any of you saw a 50k Autumnstone in a bazaar you'd buy it without hesitation and if you say you wouldn't your a god damn liar. Because 50k is cheap to you. Then you'd make a good times thread saying how you owned some gilseller by buying his autumnstone for 50k.

Your right, i will admit that i cannot prove that every level 1 mule in bd is rmt. However, i can give reasons as to why i think every lvl 1 mule selling a ULI stone is, and let people make up their own minds. And you are welcome to argue against me.

I'm going to make a mule named jdhfbhjsdfbjs and be an anon Galka and Bazaar in BD. I'm going to ask an officer to lend me a stone to sell in BD. Bet all you tools think I'm a gilseller.

Now with the addition of Gilsellers that are there 97% of the time, the amout of "free" Ulli's is down to zero.

Where do you make up these numbers? Baja just listed instances where his LS was the only LS there and I doubt most of QCDN keeps tabs on Ulli during JP prime time.

99.99% of stones you see for sale, will be GS mules. To believe anything else is willfull ignorance.

Disprove it.

Disprove Chronicles botting.

 

[Sirelrohir]

You obviously have no idea who or what you are talking about.

Though now, Kisada can only begrudgingly admit to this, his CoP group, composed of ex-members from our LS (namely Liefe, Dua, and Candia), were pretty much the first NA group to get access to sea, as well as to get their CoP Rings once the remainder of the storyline was finally introduced.

I vividly remember this, as my CoP group's progress had come to a halt because we were having quite a hard time getting people organized and present at the events. I was left extremely jealous because I wanted the ring myself.

This being so, there's no way what you have stated can be true. Kis and his group got through all of CoP on their own. So yes, it's safe to say that you are either manufacturing information, or are gravely mistaken. You might want to look up the proper spelling of the name of whom you speak of.

You werent there. I was. My group helped him do 8-1 b/c his group was no where to be found. The only other NA group that was in sea when i got there was, i believe villurums (sp) group. I specifically remember cyro asking me to help this guy do the mission so he could get into the palace. I didnt want to, but i did it anyway.

 

[Firestreak]

It was an example to prove that other people do sell stones. Also, he only recently raised the price to 15m.

And like Neo already said we got a stone for 3mil from a JP doing an ENM right after killing Tiamat.

I bet if any of you saw a 50k Autumnstone in a bazaar you'd buy it without hesitation and if you say you wouldn't your a god damn liar. Because 50k is cheap to you. Then you'd make a good times thread saying how you owned some gilseller by buying his autumnstone for 50k.

The problem is you guys are coming at this from contradictory directions. Need to get your argument straight before you come at me with it. In one post you're talking about a bazaar which I happened to see was selling the stone for 15 mill and in another one of you is laughing at me for asserting it might be sold for 15 mill.(I honestly don't give a shit on the price and the whole argument was irrelevant to the topic at hand.)

We've only said level 1 bazaars selling stones are almost always RMT. We never said all level 1 bazaars are RMT or all stone sales are RMT. Then out of left field some have accepting you're buying from RMT and argue there's nothing wrong with it. I'm not sure if you're trying to refute my logic because you honestly believe you aren't buying from RMT or if you're trying to distract from the issue because you personally believe buying from RMT is wrong and don't wish to consider the great likelyhood.

It's all fine by me. I agree with Trelution when he says he's not doing the same as buying gil by buying out of a bazaar. It's that many of you hold the guilty by association principle so dear that you'd rather deny the obvious than let that go.

My whole point thise whole thread isn't that I believe you guys should apologize or stop what you're doing. Rather I think you need to re-assess your own backwards views on morality now that everything is being turned around against you. Guilt by association? Guilty until proven innocent? These are things said against other people by you guys.

Everyone has their own sense of what's right and what's wrong. If you believe that the only person you have to justify your actions to is yourself, then stand with me and give the middle finger to judgemental assholes if they're shellmates or rivals. If they're friends or foes. Either accept people as unique with their own views of the world or take the moral high road all the time, every time, so they no one may ever judge you as hypocrite.

 

[Master Honcho]

Trel.... with all that very good stuff you said. people are contributing to gil sellers when they buy the stones.. that's the bottom line and theres no way you can deny that.

if you dont have a prob. w/ contributing to sellers then thats totally fine.

i personally think its pretty lame to help out sellers by buying their stones but you obviously think otherwise... and thats fine lol.

anyway the real reason i wanted to post is simple and i know im gonna look dumb and childish but i really dont care..

jamal... from what ive seen... to me, you are a huge tool man. i dont know you but from what ive seen youve been kinda a dick to someone i really respect and thats celvantes. im not arguing with you about what this thread is about. i just want you to know that i dont like you. if your gonna talk to people on here. you should do it more civilized.

 

[Sirelrohir]

It was an example to prove that other people do sell stones. Also, he only recently raised the price to 15m.

And like Neo already said we got a stone for 3mil from a JP doing an ENM right after killing Tiamat.

I bet if any of you saw a 50k Autumnstone in a bazaar you'd buy it without hesitation and if you say you wouldn't your a god damn liar. Because 50k is cheap to you. Then you'd make a good times thread saying how you owned some gilseller by buying his autumnstone for 50k.



I'm going to make a mule named jdhfbhjsdfbjs and be an anon Galka and Bazaar in BD. I'm going to ask an officer to lend me a stone to sell in BD. Bet all you tools think I'm a gilseller.



Where do you make up these numbers? Baja just listed instances where his LS was the only LS there and I doubt most of QCDN keeps tabs on Ulli during JP prime time.



Disprove Chronicles botting.

Baja listed one instance of no one being up there. That is not the norm. If you would camp it yourself, you would know that. If you dont want to believe that you are buying from rmt, no amount of logic will sway you from that position. However, i think deep down inside you know your ls is buying from rmt. And rmt cheat.

 

[kisada]

LOL, you guys do know the revalence of apostrophe's around a word, right? Wow, idiots.

And yes kisada, i do know who you are; your some dumbfuck that needed help in sea. I remember b/c i was tryin to talk cyro out of helping your dumb ass. You think i would make that shit up out of the blue?

maybe you wouldn't make shit up, i do, however, think you're just about the dumbest motherfucker on these forums, somewhere around blazn's level. it's pretty damned obvious by your sad-ass attempts of logic and trying to incriminate us that you've got the equivalent brainpower of a cockroach. i think it's just more the probability that you helped someone whose name started with a K. or maybe it had a K in it. let's put a Z and a T there for good measure, even though none of those are in my name.

the thought that i would willingly take help from anyone fucking involved in the joke of a linkshell called OH is beyond laughable, but i still laughed anyway.

and sorry, but just cause i don't post about every single accomplishment i've had in this game all over goodtimes, just like you and your former linkshells and your idiot cunts, doesn't mean i haven't accomplished things. if i went and made good times posts like you fucking tards always did i'd be down at your level, and i just couldn't have that. yeah, i was one of the first people to gain access to sea with my own ls's help and long before you did, i'd venture. however, unlike you and your cronies, i never gave a damn about posting that shit all over the forums trying to impress the qcdn populace. maybe you and your cunts should really try to refrain from opening your mouths, at least we'd only have to see you look like retards, and not hear it.


anyway back on topic:

we've been saying it like this "siyrol-orz-whors-eeyore."

good enough, i've decided.

 

[jamal]

Trel.... with all that very good stuff you said. people are contributing to gil sellers when they buy the stones.. that's the bottom line and theres no way you can deny that.

if you dont have a prob. w/ contributing to sellers then thats totally fine.

i personally think its pretty lame to help out sellers by buying their stones but you obviously think otherwise... and thats fine lol.

anyway the real reason i wanted to post is simple and i know im gonna look dumb and childish but i really dont care..

jamal... from what ive seen... to me, you are a huge tool man. i dont know you but from what ive seen youve been kinda a dick to someone i really respect and thats celvantes. im not arguing with you about what this thread is about. i just want you to know that i dont like you. if your gonna talk to people on here. you should do it more civilized.

Being a dick to someone you like doesn't make me a tool. You may not like me because I insulted your friend, thats fine. But the only tool is the one who made a moronic post at the beginning of this thread. That just so happens to be Celventes.

 

[Crosis]

The problem is you guys are coming at this from contradictory directions. Need to get your argument straight before you come at me with it. In one post you're talking about a bazaar which I happened to see was selling the stone for 15 mill and in another one of you is laughing at me for asserting it might be sold for 15 mill.(I honestly don't give a shit on the price and the whole argument was irrelevant to the topic at hand.)

I already stated that he recently raised the price and the majority have been 5m or lower that we have bought. This again was just an example to prove that there is a current bazaar selling a stone that isnt RMT. Do you understand?

We've only said level 1 bazaars selling stones are almost always RMT. We never said all level 1 bazaars are RMT or all stone sales are RMT. Then out of left field some have accepting you're buying from RMT and argue there's nothing wrong with it. I'm not sure if you're trying to refute my logic because you honestly believe you aren't buying from RMT or if you're trying to distract from the issue because you personally believe buying from RMT is wrong and don't wish to consider the great likelyhood.

No but you got a whole bunch of people making up numbers and saying 99.9% of them are RMT which is basically saying that all are RMT. I can make up numbers too. 99.99993% of all Okotes on AH come from RMT but you people still buy them. I didn't say all came from RMT did I?

It's all fine by me. I agree with Trelution when he says he's not doing the same as buying gil by buying out of a bazaar. It's that many of you hold the guilty by association principle so dear that you'd rather deny the obvious than let that go.

My whole point thise whole thread isn't that I believe you guys should apologize or stop what you're doing. Rather I think you need to re-assess your own backwards views on morality now that everything is being turned around against you. Guilt by association? Guilty until proven innocent? These are things said against other people by you guys.

You are comparing BUYING with your own gil a stone from someone you don't knows bazaar to use to pop an NM that you kill TO Botting and Flee hacking like your precious OH use to do. This is the Parse is cheating argument Part II.

Baja listed one instance of no one being up there. That is not the norm. If you would camp it yourself, you would know that. If you dont want to believe that you are buying from rmt, no amount of logic will sway you from that position. However, i think deep down inside you know your ls is buying from rmt. And rmt cheat.

You are such a tard. Do you not understand we have camped recently? We ourselves had very little competition. The fact is, we don't want to spend all god damn day there waiting for it to pop.

 

[Andreva]

Yes... yes my puppets! Dance for my amusement! Bwahaha!

 

[Master Honcho]

Being a dick to someone you like doesn't make me a tool. You may not like me because I insulted your friend, thats fine. But the only tool is the one who made a moronic post at the beginning of this thread. That just so happens to be Celventes.

thats your opinion to call someone out for a "moronic" post.
which in turn makes you a tool for saying that as well.

You could say it more respectful if you're gonna "call him out".

but i want to ask you why do you think his post was moronic. people told him that some sky LS's bought Ulli stones. He didn't agree. How is that moronic?

It's a matter of opinion. If you don't agree that's fine. But don't insult him.

 

[Giaganta]

thats your opinion to call someone out for a "moronic" post.
which in turn makes you a tool for saying that as well.

You could say it more respectful if you're gonna "call him out".

but i want to ask you why do you think his post was moronic. people told him that some sky LS's bought Ulli stones. He didn't agree. How is that moronic?

It's a matter of opinion. If you don't agree that's fine. But don't insult him.

It was a dumbass thing to do. Like you said someone "told" him. Was it a fact or a rumor? He posted because it was a stab at Kaizen. That or he dislikes the shell so he figured it was a good chance to flame them.

 

[Raesvelg]

So far, in the defense, we've had the arguments of:

a.) You can't prove that the level 1 Bazaars selling stones are RMT. Accurate enough. You also can't prove that they're not, and probability suggests that most of them, in fact, are. See next argument.

b.) People other than RMT sell stones. So far, most people haven't disputed that. It's relative numbers we're talking. RMT sell almost all of their stones. Almost all other LS will keep theirs, a few JP will sell because they're done with sky and have either gotten lucky for reasons unknown or simply have had the stone for a long time and finally decided to get rid of it. A few people have posted about how they claimed and killed Ulli and got the stone with relatively little/no CC. And those people.... all kept the stone for their respective LS.

c.) There's nothing wrong with buying from RMT. Arguable, in the sense that it's not against the ToS. It's not precisely desirable behaviour, but most people have, at one time or another, bought something from the AH either directly or indirectly from RMT. Even me, seeing as I do have my Amemet +1, and RmT provide the vast majority of Amemet skins. However, this is where Firestreaks primary point comes into play. Most people think that buying Ulli stones is wrong. Morality is defined by the majority. If you defy what is commonly considered moral behaviour, then you lose the right to criticize others that do the same.

d.) If you could do the same you would. Actually, I'm fairly certain Pers could pull together the cash for it, hell, most shells active in sky could manage it simply on the basis that an Ulli stone will generally pay for itself both in the time saved, drops from Byakko, and drops from Kirin. I know personally that the topic has come up occasionally in Rise, and we've been quite able to afford the stones we've seen for sale. We don't because we're pretty damn sure that those mules are RMT, and encouraging them to camp Ulli just generally fucks over the people that can't or won't buy stones.

 

[jamal]

thats your opinion to call someone out for a "moronic" post.
which in turn makes you a tool for saying that as well.

You could say it more respectful if you're gonna "call him out".

but i want to ask you why do you think his post was moronic. people told him that some sky LS's bought Ulli stones. He didn't agree. How is that moronic?

It's a matter of opinion. If you don't agree that's fine. But don't insult him.

I have an opinion of him from his previous posts, so I made a thread just like good ole celv

 

[Firestreak]

I already stated that he recently raised the price and the majority have been 5m or lower that we have bought. This again was just an example to prove that there is a current bazaar selling a stone that isnt RMT. Do you understand?

We've been saying a very specific stand. If bazaar is...

1) Level 1, no shell mule.
2) Selling a stone.

They are almost definetly RMT. There have probably been a few exceptions to this, but that is the jist of it. You've been coming at me with faulty examples to disprove. You could bazaar a stone for the specific purpose of disproving me, but I don't really know what the point would be. I could also make a new character named Asrergfege, level to 75 as rank 1 and stand around at Ulli to show they aren't all gilsellers.

No but you got a whole bunch of people making up numbers and saying 99.9% of them are RMT which is basically saying that all are RMT. I can make up numbers too. 99.99993% of all Okotes on AH come from RMT but you people still buy them. I didn't say all came from RMT did I?

So if someone buys kotes from AH, I can pay RMT to camp Fafnir for me and get me a ridill?

You are comparing BUYING with your own gil a stone from someone you don't knows bazaar to use to pop an NM that you kill TO Botting and Flee hacking like your precious OH use to do. This is the Parse is cheating argument Part II.

I'm not comparing shit. I'm only using your own arguments against you.

 

[Master Honcho]

It was a dumbass thing to do. Like you said someone "told" him. Was it a fact or a rumor? He posted because it was a stab at Kaizen. That or he dislikes the shell so he figured it was a good chance to flame them.

yes because you know all this? please...i know for a FACT cel posted this because he was tired of RMT at sky and because he was tired of gimp LS's (apparently kaizen) buying stones from RMT and contributing to the cheating sellers. Cel was not taking a stab at kaizen. i know cel and i go w/ rawr LS occasiionally. Read his post before you say he made this thread to deliberately take stabs at people... no.. he wants people to stop doing this.. again, his opinion.. not a "dumbass" thing to do. geez how old are we guys.

 

[jamal]

yes because you know all this? please...i know for a FACT cel posted this because he was tired of RMT at sky and because he was tired of gimp LS's (apparently kaizen) buying stones from RMT and contributing to the cheating sellers. Cel was not taking a stab at kaizen. i know cel and i go w/ rawr LS occasiionally. Read his post before you say he made this thread to deliberately take stabs at people... no.. he wants people to stop doing this.. again, his opinion.. not a "dumbass" thing to do. geez how old are we guys.

Idk how old you are, but I'm old enough to know Kaizen's not a Gimp ls...

Immaturity wise, check out my other thread, it wouldn't have came about if it weren't for you honcho, so thx

 

[Crosis]

c.) There's nothing wrong with buying from RMT. Arguable, in the sense that it's not against the ToS. It's not precisely desirable behaviour, but most people have, at one time or another, bought something from the AH either directly or indirectly from RMT. Even me, seeing as I do have my Amemet +1, and RmT provide the vast majority of Amemet skins. However, this is where Firestreaks primary point comes into play. Most people think that buying Ulli stones is wrong. Morality is defined by the majority. If you defy what is commonly considered moral behaviour, then you lose the right to criticize others that do the same.

And here is my point, first we aren't buying from mules named sdjbsdfsd as many of you like to think. Secondly buying Ulli stones is not morally wrong, buying Ulli stones from RMT is considered morally wrong. You left out quite a big part in that sentence. And trying to compare the morality of buying Ulli stones from unknown Bazaars to botting and flee hacking is quite hilarious. You know what is also morally wrong? MPKing.

So if someone buys kotes from AH, I can pay RMT to camp Fafnir for me and get me a ridill?

How the fuck is that anywhere close to what I was saying?

I'm not comparing shit. I'm only using your own arguments against you.

You sure as hell are comparing shit. When you try to compare the fact that it is wrong for people in my LS to say others shouldn't flee hack and bot, but are in a LS that "buys" stones from RMT. Thats a comparison of moral behaviors genius.

 

[Master Honcho]

Idk how old you are, but I'm old enough to know Kaizen's not a Gimp ls...

That's fine. But...to me and obviously to Cel: If they buy from RMT... they are gimp. I don't really know anyone from kaizen, but ive heard theyre "so great" lol. If so great, why would they need to buy from RMT?

If I was a regular on Rawr and found out we decided to buy stones... I'd be embarrassed.

 

[Zalbag]

This whole morality debate is flawed in the sense that your saying that a linkshells choice is the same as that of every member in the shell. I personally don't know how every shell on the server does things but kaizen votes on just about all our actions. The shell decided we'd buy stones and the leaders followed the shells wishes nothing more.

Of all the stones we've bought, which has been less then 10 we can say with 100% acc that half those stones were from valid places that were not rmt. As for the other half we tried to not pick up any rmt stones. Is is possible? Yes. If we knew without a shadow of a doubt that they were rmt would we still buy? No. Are all lv1 bazaars out there selling stones rmt? Possibly.

But I do know many people do not like leaving their main characters on when they bazaar for a few reasons. One of which they have windower and would like to bazaar while they play. 2ndly they have work and dont like leaving their main chars on incase someone misses their /seacom and they miss a msg. 3rd with our shell we ask people not to hang around afk as it makes organizing events at times rather hard.

We voted against camping 15 hour ulli's. I'm sorry some of you feel that people should not buy stones on the off chance that it may be from rmt. But this is how it is. All I can say is we do try our best to avoid rmt bazaars.