Stop buying Ulli stones, you *#%*tards

I think it really just boils down to people realising that hey, there's more than one way of obtaining stuff (IN GAME, shut the fuck up about buying gil with RL money already, noone is doing that in this topic, stop fucking talking about it). They don't like that because they can't comfortably do the same thing. To me 12 hours of an ls is worth far more than 5 mil. I will pay 5 mil for a stone. And while you guys argue about this I'll get another pair of haidate :D

If you don't think they gear we get from purchased pop items isn't really "earned"... I can tell you this certainly... I don't care what you think lol

The only reason any of our members really posted in this thread is because of the personal insults, not because we care if you think we are moral or not or w/e
 
Sneakypants said:
So who is the seller of the stones?
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Who sold the last 17 Monks their O.kotes?
 
Khajit

I have killed Ulli and won the stone in exp parties twice in the past year and a half. I gave them to my LS, but not everyone is part of a sky LS or they might need money more. I know other people who partied at Ulli, got the stone and sold it. It DOES happen, not often but enough that it's not impossible.

I've also already shown that Rawr isn't the only one camping, maybe at certain times, but they are not the only ones who camp Ulli anymore. Hell, We claimed Ulli when we were ALONE in the room when rawr was farming in sky; so you're not even spending all your time at Ulli like you're making it out to be.

Rawr isn't the only people camping Ulli, stop acting like you're the only ones not buying stones when there's very few groups actually buying them.
 
Rappa said:
So I ask you this, if S-E finally made these hacks no longer work, would this topic even exist?
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Same arguement, but different topic. From "Buying from cheaters makes you a cheater" to "Buying from others means you didn't earn it." People who are being bottle necked(this time: claiming Ulli) will always find something to cry about towards those that actually are progressing.
 
Sirelrohir said:
Well, this thread has become about hypocrasy imo. You have all these people, some from kaizen, some who used to be in kaizen get on here and attemp to flame people based on nothing. Then when their beloved shell gets busted buying uli stones (which the majority of people believe to be from rmt, who, everyone agrees hack to get these stones), the things they called out on other people is somehow ok.
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We did not get "busted" we never hid it. Just because we don't go out and tell everyone everything. We didn't deny we bought them, we know we bought them. We see nothing wrong with buying pop items. It's just like any other pop item. Just because it's camped by RMT and so many of you want it does not all of a sudden move it off the market.

note that I said it's camped by RMT, does not mean they are the sole supplier
 
Trelution said:
Ohhh my first Firestreak reply. I feel like an offical member of QCDN now :D This is very true if we are talking about reasoning individuals. But we all know as soon as someone gets on a message board they are god of all knowledge and cannot be disproven. It usally always boils down to "You suck!" "No YOU suck!!1!" until people get bored, and move on to the new "You suck" thread. And hey I'm not complaining makes for some good reads most times :D




Exactly my point. If Shells had the means to buy all the ullis they wanted/needed comfortably, you can't tell me they wouldn't. And I don't think I have ever ranted about other people on here for... much of anything actually, much less if they are associated with RMT. What you do with your playtime is your own business. No skin off my nose.



I have never implied that is was the "Moral high road" just simply the best return for time invested. There are still a lot of things I want to do in this game before I retire from this mad world, and spending 10+ hours at Ulli isn't one of them.



That was more of an outrageous claim for all the people who seem to know who owns all those mules out there. Until you can prove who owns what mules, I dont see how anyone can say with any certainty who sells what. And for another matter who should care.




I will agree with you 100% on that first statement heh; however, Its silly all the time. Don't care what its about, arguing this much over a game is downright silly. I Always have said that, just don't post it 7543 times a day as you can tell by my massive post count heh.
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I agree with you in general and for the most part I think we're on the same page. I've said it a few times throughout here but, yeah, I don't really expect you to have read all my posts here - but I don't claim ALL of Kaizen is hypocritical, merely some of the ones who post here. It's not a blanket statement. I'm just guessing if any of you DID feel the need to post on QCDN you probably would decide not to enter in a thread to disagree with your own LS mates.
 
Zion said:
Bitch please, I mean are you acting or you playing stupid... Seriously. Again. Would you join to a party and level up with name as "hasgdkjas" "abdchga" or would you join party with people with decent names? Same as mules. Don't play stupid. You know that a RMT mule. :wacko:
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Are you going to bother actually responding to wht you quoted, or just shove your head further up your ass? There never was any question of would you rather buy from a real player or a RMT; plus there hasn't been any mention of the mules they bought the stones from, so saying it's just random letters is sheer ignorance and judging based on that is stupidity.
 
Skaw said:
Same arguement, but different topic. From "Buying from cheaters makes you a cheater" to "Buying from others means you didn't earn it." People who are being bottle necked(this time: claiming Ulli) will always find something to cry about towards those that actually are progressing.
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Excuse you, but some of the people responding here have "progressed" plenty. I've been in sky. I have almost all the gear I want. Do not lump people who have a problem with people taking cheap shortcuts in with people who are unaccomplished. That's a pretty ignorant thing to say.
 
Artem said:
We did not get "busted" we never hid it. Just because we don't go out and tell everyone everything. We didn't deny we bought them, we know we bought them. We see nothing wrong with buying pop items. It's just like any other pop item. Just because it's camped by RMT and so many of you want it does not all of a sudden move it off the market.

note that I said it's camped by RMT, does not mean they are the sole supplier
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So i just want to know. Are you guys not embarresed that you buy your stones from RMT? I'm just curious. You proud?
 
I've known some people in Kaizen a long time, so I really didn't know if I wanted to say anything.

But I think if Almuat had just come out and said that Kaizen does a lot of things other then sky, and it's greatly more time efficient for them to buy the stones, and get their members their gear without wasting time they could be using for other stuff, and left it at that, it would not have been as bad.

I think it was the well we don't know for sure it's coming from RMT, knowing it's a vastly higher chance that it is then it isn't, just like Kote or Fuma, etc that set a lot of the people off.
 
Skaw said:
Just like the entire OP. zomg u buy ston u bi form gi lsellars
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youf orgo tto say *#%*tards
 
jamal said:
Who sold the last 17 Monks their O.kotes?
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I have no fucking clue. What does that have to do with stones?
Legit bazaars, RMT bazaars, AH would be the methods of selling.

I am asking for the name of the seller of the stone.

It was mentioned specifically that the person (or people) didn't have a typical GS name. So what is that person's name?


This isn't a tough one.
 
Skaw said:
Just like the entire OP. zomg u buy ston u bi form gi lsellars
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Nothing like logic here. "I think the OP is making a retarded point, so I'm going to say something equally stupid to make a point." Bravo. Really.

The difference is, you're insulting people who have valid points to make. And what they're saying doesn't have anything to do with how far they have or haven't progressed in this game.
 
Master Honcho said:
Trel.... with all that very good stuff you said. people are contributing to gil sellers when they buy the stones.. that's the bottom line and theres no way you can deny that.

if you dont have a prob. w/ contributing to sellers then thats totally fine.

i personally think its pretty lame to help out sellers by buying their stones but you obviously think otherwise... and thats fine lol.
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The sad fact is that any number of things you buy nowadays will go to the sellers. And if everyone wants to do extensive background checks on every bazaar they buy from, more power to you. I play for fun, goofing with my buds, and the thrill of the big kills. Don't care too much for the drama and semantics. As we all should. :D
 
Master Honcho said:
So i just want to know. Are you guys not embarresed that you buy your stones from RMT? I'm just curious. You proud?
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Did you see me say we buy them from RMT? I already made a post for retards like you who don't read well. Go read it on page 38, it has white space and punctuation for you retards. It's even organised in a list
 
Zalbag said:
Lets assume this equation is right. So rmt get 9 stones a week. 4 weeks a month 12 months a year. Lets say rmt have been trying for ulli for 1 year. 4 weeks at 9 stones a week is about 36 stones a month. 36 stones a month would be about 432 stones a year? We've bought UNDER 10 this last year. We got 3 from a disbanding jp ls if i recall correctly and one from someone just after our tiamat fight.

That leaves about 4-5 unaccounted stones from different bazaars. Lets just say for the sack of arguement we bought those from rmt. Thats 5/432. Where are the other 427? Lets find out and bring them into this.
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exactly so
where are these other stones? As i've said, these RMT are capable and will go after the gods themselves. By doing so they'll come out with maybe more then what they could sell the stones for. Along with the other LS who buys those other 427 stones, lets bring in the folks that buy up the RMT obtained D ingots and such eh?

look at the actual details here. You're doing nothing but trying for every reason to look down upon another LS. Let it die, I can't see how Kaizen is doing anything wrong here. As i've said before, with this logic, by not buying stones, these RMT will not stop camping ulli. As a matter a fact, These RMT are probably not even selling this stones. How many autumnstones have you seen "Bonasia" sell? everytime i checked the whore, she's out trying to sell a byakkos haidate. I have never seen an Autumnstone in her bazaar. If they're willing to sell a haidate, them i'm sure they could kill off byakko.

so yes, not buying stones will not stop RMT.

I'm pretty sure that's what the original topic creaters point was. As you can see, your logic fails.
 
Sneakypants said:
I have no fucking clue. What does that have to do with stones?
Legit bazaars, RMT bazaars, AH would be the methods of selling.

I am asking for the name of the seller of the stone.

It was mentioned specifically that the person (or people) didn't have a typical GS name. So what is that person's name?


This isn't a tough one.
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What's the difference? What if stones were AH-able? Would that make it okay if 99% of the names in the AH history were gilseller names? Why isn't this an issue with items like o.kote, bomb core, and the multitude of other items that gilsellers monopolize? Because it's Ulli, and more people want it. That's the only reason.
 
Zyndara said:
Nothing like logic here. "I think the OP is making a retarded point, so I'm going to say something equally stupid to make a point." Bravo. Really.

The difference is, you're insulting people who have valid points to make. And what they're saying doesn't have anything to do with how far they have or haven't progressed in this game.
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seriously.. again maturity? <do you have it>
 
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