Stop buying Ulli stones, you *#%*tards

[Crosis]

Actually, its people from alot of different ls; i see people from rise, perserverance, anteres, rawr and reconquista (its the bestest!!!) arguing one side, and kaizen and purpose arguing the other.

Oh really? What LS are Skaw, Baja, Dragon Ryder, Rappa, in huh? Guess those are all Purpose and Kaizen people. Not to mention the other people who haven't even chosen a side.

And artem, i agree with you; there are probably many ls' that buy from rmt.
You have people like jamal and crosis, who have lambasted me for 'hacking', citing no proof, other then hearsay which was refuted by the person that started the rumor. yet when it comes to whether or not their ls or affiliates cheat, its ok, and they attempt to come up with all sorts of excuses.

And yet me and Jamal aren't the only people who call you a cheater still. We weren't the only two asking you to logon buddy.

 

[Rappa]

So you don't know the name?

ZzzzZzz

No one seems to care aside from you. I'm assuming whomever bought it didn't care enough to remember it either. I know I personally don't care, and how would I even know anyway considering I'm not in the shell? God, just give it up.

 

[Zion]

also why rmt also use the stone to kill byakko so therefore making more gil to sell.

if rmt are retarded enough to sell the stone for cheap then buy it up i say. unless you plan to not buy the drops from their byakko, which i doubt you'll ignore, then the cycle repeats. You're saying it's ok to buy the drops from rmt byakkos but not ok to buy stones....but if you're still saying it's not ok to buy the drops, how can you control the market? you really can't unless you can stop yourself from buying up all the RMT kotes and strider boots. Seriously, Open your mind and look at the facts

WTF did I ever mention "Its ok to buy Byakkos" or "It ok you can buy anything from the RMT" Look back again on what he stated. :rtfm: :wacko:

 

[Sneakypants]

And what are you going to do with the name? Investigate it? You know you can make PlayOnline profiles hidden, making the ability to discover who the mules belong to pretty futile. Now please, quit being an idiot. Bazaar names are pointless because of that POL feature, unless the bazaaring character is the main gilseller character.

I guess a person can't just be curious...
When they try to be, those just as inquisitive come out of the woodwork to try and understand why someone would want to be curious, and offer up everything and the kitchen sink besides an answer.

And I wouldn't ask who it was if it was a GS name like, "Mkjj******gy".

Again, if you know the answer, mention it for my own fucking obscure curiosity. Great, thanks.

If not, again, SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH.

 

[Raesvelg]

Its a grotesque waste of time to camp ANY nm. But there will always be someone to do it. And not sure about what you think, but there aren't many NMs that drop a 5m+ item that can be killed with 3 people.

Low difficulty, high return mobs aren't that common no. Most of them are largely dominated by RMT, and as such, normal folks just don't bother, since it can be tricky outclaiming bots and hackers.

See any parallels there?

My point wasn't that it's unprofitable to sell stones as a small group of people incapable of killing Byakko, my point was that it's unprofitable to camp Ulli given that you're gonna be CC'd by a good alliance and a half of botters and hackers lately.

 

[Sneakypants]

God, just give it up.

Sorry there haven't been 50 others just like me in the past 30 minutes asking for the same verification to make it seem important to you.

 

[xRiokox]

Oh really? What LS are Skaw, Baja, Dragon Ryder, Rappa, in huh? Guess those are all Purpose and Kaizen people. Not to mention the other people who haven't even chosen a side.

lol Dragon Ryder isn't in Purpose nor Kaizen.

 

[Sirelrohir]

Oh really? What LS are Skaw, Baja, Dragon Ryder, Rappa, in huh? Guess those are all Purpose and Kaizen people. Not to mention the other people who haven't even chosen a side.



And yet me and Jamal aren't the only people who call you a cheater still. We weren't the only two asking you to logon buddy.

Well, im not sure what ls they are in; maybe they should join mine!

And as far as you calling me cheater, well the same can be said for you; you pay for other ls' to cheat for you. =)

 

[Skaw]

lol Dragon Ryder isn't in Purpose nor Kaizen.

That was the point of the post. People are claiming only Kaizen and Purpose members are on the defense of what this topic used to be, despite there being others. Well, Rappa is/was in Purpose.

 

[Khajit]

Khajit

I have killed Ulli and won the stone in exp parties twice in the past year and a half. I gave them to my LS, but not everyone is part of a sky LS or they might need money more. I know other people who partied at Ulli, got the stone and sold it. It DOES happen, not often but enough that it's not impossible.

I've also already shown that Rawr isn't the only one camping, maybe at certain times, but they are not the only ones who camp Ulli anymore. Hell, We claimed Ulli when we were ALONE in the room when rawr was farming in sky; so you're not even spending all your time at Ulli like you're making it out to be.

Rawr isn't the only people camping Ulli, stop acting like you're the only ones not buying stones when there's very few groups actually buying them.

I'm not acting like rawr arent the ony ones not buying stones.
I'm stating what was observed by celvantes and others at ulli. That being almost no linkshells CCing RMT at ulli and with a person checking for TOD from about 12est till sky time on nights that gods arent fought. When you dont see anyone else but RMT for a few weeks you will draw your own conclusions. That is where celvantes got his opinion from. Is there a chance you just so happened to camp ulli when everyone else was at a god? of course. That isnt the first thing that comes to mind though. Neither is the possibility that RMT are only there when you are.


Youre claiming you claimed ulli twice in the last year and a half and got stone. I dont doubt that but that example is from BEFORE RMT started camping and many people tried to get into sky. Its also from before TAU came out and there were very few exp camps at high level so anywhere you could kill was a viable spot. Im sure we all know the giant drama caused by a lack of enough spots for parties so of course an exp area would have a party in it back then. A hell of a lot less lv 75 players with sky then as well. Unless you held onto the stones for a year or more before selling it holds almost no relevance.

 

[Firestreak]

And Bajarett in Limitless, who also has Kisada who was in Tremors with Kevin Bacon.

 

[Bajaratt]

I'm not acting like rawr arent the ony ones not buying stones.
I'm stating what was observed by celvantes and others at ulli. That being almost no linkshells CCing RMT at ulli and with a person checking for TOD from about 12est till sky time on nights that gods arent fought. When you dont see anyone else but RMT for a few weeks you will draw your own conclusions. That is where celvantes got his opinion from. Is there a chance you just so happened to camp ulli when everyone else was at a god? of course. That isnt the first thing that comes to mind though. Neither is the possibility that RMT are only there when you are.


Youre claiming you claimed ulli twice in the last year and a half and got stone. I dont doubt that but that example is from BEFORE RMT started camping and many people tried to get into sky. Its also from before TAU came out and there were very few exp camps at high level so anywhere you could kill was a viable spot. Im sure we all know the giant drama caused by a lack of enough spots for parties so of course an exp area would have a party in it back then. A hell of a lot less lv 75 players with sky then as well. Unless you held onto the stones for a year or more before selling it holds almost no relevance.

Rawr is claiming they are the only linkshell to camp Ulli in the last month, period. I showed that at the very least on Wednesdays, we were there CCing Rawr. The other days I'm not sure about but I find it hard to believe that on the non-wednesday days no one else was interested in Ulli.

The time that we sold it is not irrelevant, it shows that even before Ulli was such a bitch people were still buying the stones because people were selling them. If people were willing to buy it before it became as rare as it is now, the only difference would be the price.

 

[Phraust]

Hrm....

Who would sell an Autumnstone instead of using it...

1) RMT
2) People Meriting/Leveling that have no vested interest in sky.
3) Disgruntled players in LS's that have strict rules about Autumnstone aquisition, that would benefit more from raw gil than any Items.
4) People that no longer do Sky/can't do sky, but come accross an Autumnstone by one way or another; I.E. inheariting an account.

More specifically:
If you are in a Linkshell that has done sky to death, to the point at which you have every piece of gear you would ever want, and you see that the only people you would be helping in your LS by giving up the Autumnstone are a bunch of scrubs, you know if you use it, you would have to do it with your LS, which you are none too happy with, but are too lazy to move on, and the LS peopel in general know your mules' names, you would just as easily hit the keyboard with head and hit enter, pay the $1.00 extra for that month and sell the stone.

The bonus is this:

If you sell the stone, and your LS happens to buy it, you just made off double...

To Celvantes:

I think what you are trying to say is:

"Make sky items Auction House sellable, so we can have both our anonymity and out ignorance about such missdoings back!"

Seriously though, the argument fails on that notion alone. Jamal is right. You can't curse one person for doing what you yourself are doing because you can hide behind the screen the AH provides. You're just as guilty as anyone when you buy pretty much any money item in the game.

Check the following:

You are a member of a Linkshell, who goes off, plays the game, kills big monsters and collects loot. Some of that loot is used to make more monsters appear, and get even more loot. While you are out there in this world, you notice other linkshells are using Hacks, Cheats, Enhancements, and other "Players" in your environments are known RMT. On top of that, you got these tools that have nothing to do but just make your life a living hell just because they are not too socially acceptable in real life, and the internet makes em feel important, powerful. So aside from RMT selling items, we have horribly morally slanted linkshells selling money items too. You think you are an angel not buying from RMT? Try not buying from some of the long established linkshells on our server that are notorious for fucking people over, who's linkshell history is founded on the exploitation of North American's when they were new to the game; linkshells that use Hacks, and Cheats constantly and consistantly, or linkshells that are just flat out annoyances. (lolJDA... lolHNMPT... lolCFHfafnir...) When compared to some of these Jackwads, RMT are fucking angels.

You guys are only harping on Kaizen because you hold us to a higher moral standard than most. Let's not beat around the bush here, this thread is only this long because it gave all the jackals a chance to sink thier teeth into us. We may have bought a stone off an RMT, small victory for you, congratulations. Go ahead and dig in. cause if you notice these chances don't pop up often (3x since QCDN's inception).

 

[Rormant]

This thread disgusts me. So many end-game shells tolerate cheating and stealing by their members to get the items they want, and now one of the few shells that I believed to be "clean" is admitting to buying from gilsellers. You can try to justify it, but buying god pop items is in no way the same as buying from the AH. Yes, items like O Kote are heavily camped by RMT, but there are also thousands of kote in circulation, so that many sales are from legitimate players.

When you buy an autumnstone right now from an anonymous bazaar you can be 99% sure that its coming from RMT. Yes, the occasional legitimate shell may break up or even deliberately farm the stones, and maybe when you started buying stones you could reasonably justify your actions. But things have changed; since SE began cracking down on RMT earlier this year many of their ways of making money have been taken away or reduced. Now instead of occasional appearances at Ulli there are RMT crews there 24/7; when one group gets banned, more appear within a few days. Since the last set of bannings they have been even more blatant, warping around sky in plain view.

If no-one buys the stones the RMT will leave. By buying these stones you are encouraging RMT, and by doing this you are saying "f you" to every sky shell that farms their stones. Maybe it's not efficient, but farming your own stones is the only way to proceed with respect for the other players on this server. Thinking you "deserve" that haidate or osode because you beat Byakko or Kirin using a bought stone is like saying you had a good time with a hooker last night. If you paid her, she's a whore, was faking it, and now you've probably got some disgusting disease. Go to the doctor, get some meds, and don't think with your e-peen in the future.

 

[Bajaratt]

And Bajarett in Limitless, who also has Kisada who was in Tremors with Kevin Bacon.

LMAO.

 

[Dowzer]

Rawr is claiming they are the only linkshell to camp Ulli in the last month, period. I showed that at the very least on Wednesdays, we were there CCing Rawr. The other days I'm not sure about but I find it hard to believe that on the non-wednesday days no one else was interested in Ulli.

The time that we sold it is not irrelevant, it shows that even before Ulli was such a bitch people were still buying the stones because people were selling them. If people were willing to buy it before it became as rare as it is now, the only difference would be the price.

I was up camping Ulli with Kurei's LS on Friday. Last week they even claimed one, this week we decided to grab some Seiryu pop items after 4-5+ hours of Ulli not showing.

 

[Sirelrohir]

Hrm....

Who would sell an Autumnstone instead of using it...

1) RMT
2) People Meriting/Leveling that have no vested interest in sky.
3) Disgruntled players in LS's that have strict rules about Autumnstone aquisition, that would benefit more from raw gil than any Items.
4) People that no longer do Sky/can't do sky, but come accross an Autumnstone by one way or another; I.E. inheariting an account.

More specifically:
If you are in a Linkshell that has done sky to death, to the point at which you have every piece of gear you would ever want, and you see that the only people you would be helping in your LS by giving up the Autumnstone are a bunch of scrubs, you know if you use it, you would have to do it with your LS, which you are none too happy with, but are too lazy to move on, and the LS peopel in general know your mules' names, you would just as easily hit the keyboard with head and hit enter, pay the $1.00 extra for that month and sell the stone.

The bonus is this:

If you sell the stone, and your LS happens to buy it, you just made off double...

To Celvantes:

I think what you are trying to say is:

"Make sky items Auction House sellable, so we can have both our anonymity and out ignorance about such missdoings back!"

Seriously though, the argument fails on that notion alone. Jamal is right. You can't curse one person for doing what you yourself are doing because you can hide behind the screen the AH provides. You're just as guilty as anyone when you buy pretty much any money item in the game.

Check the following:

You are a member of a Linkshell, who goes off, plays the game, kills big monsters and collects loot. Some of that loot is used to make more monsters appear, and get even more loot. While you are out there in this world, you notice other linkshells are using Hacks, Cheats, Enhancements, and other "Players" in your environments are known RMT. On top of that, you got these tools that have nothing to do but just make your life a living hell just because they are not too socially acceptable in real life, and the internet makes em feel important, powerful. So aside from RMT selling items, we have horribly morally slanted linkshells selling money items too. You think you are an angel not buying from RMT? Try not buying from some of the long established linkshells on our server that are notorious for fucking people over, who's linkshell history is founded on the exploitation of North American's when they were new to the game; linkshells that use Hacks, and Cheats constantly and consistantly, or linkshells that are just flat out annoyances. (lolJDA... lolHNMPT... lolCFHfafnir...) When compared to some of these Jackwads, RMT are fucking angels.

You guys are only harping on Kaizen because you hold us to a higher moral standard than most. Let's not beat around the bush here, this thread is only this long because it gave all the jackals a chance to sink thier teeth into us. We may have bought a stone off an RMT, small victory for you, congratulations. Go ahead and dig in. cause if you notice these chances don't pop up often (3x since QCDN's inception).

I never held u guys to a moral high ground. I think your just like everyone else. Only difference is, its usually your members that have opinions on what/who is cheating. Then it turns out you guys are buying stones; stones that are being sold by known hackers. And your members (and affiliates such as jamal) arent outraged about this. Instead, they come up w/ every defence they possibly can. They are hypocrites.

 

[Phraust]

I never held u guys to a moral high ground. I think your just like everyone else. Only difference is, its usually your members that have opinions on what/who is cheating. Then it turns out you guys are buying stones; stones that are being sold by known hackers. And your members (and affiliates such as jamal) arent outraged about this. Instead, they come up w/ every defence they possibly can. They are hypocrites.

1) We haven't technically done anythign hypocritical. Had we said "People that buy stuff in BD are immoral." then yeah. Cheating is still bad. You don't know if the people are hackers (And if they are they are fucking with RMT by cheating. win. Imoral, but win.)

2) Jamal is far from an associate... He's just right. Keep in mind he left our LS on pretty heated terms, and doesn't like us none too much either. He's just a little more mature in that he can set aside his differences and speak the truth.

3) Stating a valid argument/defense in a discussion doesn't make Jamal a hypocryte either.

Your logic fails. Your scope of reality is still too ego-centric. You think that since YOU wouldn't sell a stone NO OTHER PERSON would either.

You wish to argue, and have a point of view, yet you lack the mental facilities to properly formulate a proper argument or understand basic logic. Your thinking if flawed.

 

[Crosis]

This thread disgusts me. So many end-game shells tolerate cheating and stealing by their members to get the items they want, and now one of the few shells that I believed to be "clean" is admitting to buying from gilsellers. You can try to justify it, but buying god pop items is in no way the same as buying from the AH. Yes, items like O Kote are heavily camped by RMT, but there are also thousands of kote in circulation, so that many sales are from legitimate players.

OMG READ THE ENTIRE THREAD WE DO NOT ADMIT TO BUYING FROM RMT.

When you buy an autumnstone right now from an anonymous bazaar you can be 99% sure that its coming from RMT. Yes, the occasional legitimate shell may break up or even deliberately farm the stones, and maybe when you started buying stones you could reasonably justify your actions. But things have changed; since SE began cracking down on RMT earlier this year many of their ways of making money have been taken away or reduced. Now instead of occasional appearances at Ulli there are RMT crews there 24/7; when one group gets banned, more appear within a few days. Since the last set of bannings they have been even more blatant, warping around sky in plain view.

May I just add that you people keep mentioning this as if we have bought hundreds of stones from RMT? When in fact we have only bought less than 10 stones and they have been from bazaars in BD that aren't necessarily RMT and JP players that we have TALKED to. EVEN if all 10 stones were from RMT which, lol they aren't, how the fuck does 10 stones keep RMT in sky for over year? You gotta be fucking kidding if you think 10 would be enough to keep them around. 2 pops a day at least for Ulli, thats 730 stones a year and is probably much higher. Oh wow 730 vs 10 and all 10 definitely weren't from RMT. So I wonder where the other 720+ are going hmmmmm.

If no-one buys the stones the RMT will leave. By buying these stones you are encouraging RMT, and by doing this you are saying "f you" to every sky shell that farms their stones.

Wrong and more wrong. You think they cant kill Byakko? You are wrong. In fact I bet they start not even selling stones and keeping for themselves. How else do they have Byakko seals in their bazaars (from the ones we actually DO know are RMT)? Guess they stole them from legitimate LS's eh?

 

[metachronism]

Wrong and more wrong. You think they cant kill Byakko? You are wrong. In fact I bet they start not even selling stones and keeping for themselves. How else do they have Byakko seals in their bazaars (from the ones we actually DO know are RMT)? Guess they stole them from legitimate LS's eh?

It is a business for them. There is very little reason for them waste time and actually bother killing byakko, other than to produce "proof" (against an accusation of being RMT) that they have actually used at least one of the many stones they have acquired--hence the ostentatious display of the seals. I thought that was obvious.