Studies show 3/4 WHMs are retards.

Tsumaru, seeing as how we get chain 4-5 very commonly assuming we're not being daring and going to xp location 2 levels below the recommanded(then we only get chain 2-3 for just being stupid 8) ) with drk,drg,blm,whm,brd,nin, why's it matter? We're composed of people that have jobs 51-70 as a main so no one is new, but if the breastplate ever prevents us from those consistent chain 5s, I'll be sure to let you know ok? I promise!
 
I plan on buying the *divine* breastplate when I ding 40. I *do not* however plan on using it in an xp pt. I just want to buy it to waste the money and parade around town in my armor and helmet, with my shield and my holy maul. Thats all. I just wanna look like a little taru cleric. >_<
 
Veovis my point was as long as you use the seers for resting, it's not as big a deal. Once you burn the 9 mp up or whatever it was, at that point it doesn't matter.

It's comparable to a pld using mp+ rings when at full mp, and after burning it off switching to vit+3 rings or whatever they have for their current level. Good galka and elvaan plds do this by the way.
 
And a very valid point it is. I wasnt saying otherwise, I was simply expressing my reasoning for wanting to buy the armor, simply for the cosmetic reason. I can see it being useful for if you pull hate, or as you said when that extra 8 mp is burned off with the first cure tossed out. But I rarely, if ever, get aggro from the mob in a pt. If I die, its my fault for overcuring, not anyone else in the pt. And Since i've usually got reraise up, i'm not overly worried about dying. But I do stress im -only- level 34. 650xp loss isnt horrible. Hardly four fights. My opinion will likely change at higher levels, but...By then i'll have better armor options anyway, likely. I had considered investing in the bishops robe, since I had the Priests robes back at 19. But so far as MND gear goes...I've got the following:

Chestnut Wand (+4 MND)
Justice Badge (+3 MND)
Garrison Sallet (+1 MND)
Devotee's Mitts (+5 MND)
Saintly Ringx2 (+4 MND total)
White Cape (+2 MND)
Friar's Rope (+1 MND)
Wonder Braccae (+2 MND)
Seer's Pumps (+1 MND)

I dunno..I think i'm doing alright. I might just keep that (upgrade my rings when I can however) until I can manage to get AF. I personally prefer mnd gear over def. since..Like I said, its rare I pull aggro or too much aggro to get it voked away from me. Yea i'm rambling..All I'm saying is, I plan to use the breastplate for purely cosmetic reasons, and plan to keep my other gear as my xp stuff. Me shut up now :o
 
hehe... I have a problem with a lot of Taru WHMs (atleast used to.. not for awhile now..) that never rested when they weren't doing anything. BLMs too... tarus in general seemed to take their MP for granted... tsk tsk
 
Elemmire said:
hehe... I have a problem with a lot of Taru WHMs (atleast used to.. not for awhile now..) that never rested when they weren't doing anything. BLMs too... tarus in general seemed to take their MP for granted... tsk tsk

Your crazy man. Most Tarus own in the whole MP flow control thing.
 
The Holy Breastplate is grossly overrated. It should be kept with you to swap on when you grab hate, but when you don't have hate (which is ~98% of the time), it's doing absolutely nothing for you.
 
Tsumaru said:
Elemmire said:
hehe... I have a problem with a lot of Taru WHMs (atleast used to.. not for awhile now..) that never rested when they weren't doing anything. BLMs too... tarus in general seemed to take their MP for granted... tsk tsk

Your crazy man. Most Tarus own in the whole MP flow control thing.

ya.. right.. tell that to the oh... 50 WHMs and BLMs that I had in a party from level 60-70 that NEVER rested >.> JP tarus included
 
its becuz us tarus kick elvaan ass and we aint need no resting when we got BRDs/RDMs to feed up refresh and ballad hahaha
 
that's the reason we never made it to chain 4... even with a bard and red mage and the refreshing was always up! -_-
 
Basiclly all of a whm's body options are very shitty until AF except seer's for resting, so I really don't think it matters, therefore I could give a hell what the whm wears as long as they ahve seers to rest in. There are alot worse things to critize, such as lack of mp rings, hairpins, earrings, proper wand/stave, etc. This is probably the one of the least importent slots for whm until AF and beyond, it just doesn't matter that much.
 
Yeah, it's certainly not important enough to call all whm who don't use it retards. That's like saying all blm who don't have a morion talthum are retards, or if they don't have those new +1 int earings at 29. +1 hmp is negligable at best, it's only when you get to a real number like +10 that you actually see a difference, so it's really not even worth arguing about. While holy breastplate doesn't do anything to benefit the party, seer's barely offers anymore anyways. Yeah, it'd be nice for all mages to have them both, but not everyone has the money for that, so it's their choice. Regardless, spells are more important for a mage, I'd rather have a whm with erase wearing a holy breastplate than than a whm without it wearing seers, and i'm sure everyone else would too.

Tsumaru said:
Your crazy man. Most Tarus own in the whole MP flow control thing.

And there are tons of taru mages who don't know crap about mp control simply because they have so much of it. It's the galka and elvaan mages who are the masters of mp control, not the ones with the over abundance.

If I was in a party with you, and you booted the whm simply because he didn't wear the kind of armor you wanted, I would leave. It's not a big deal, as long as he can do the job. Tell me, did you boot whm's for not having the best armor before seer's was available? I wore a linen robe until my rse, and then rse until holy breastplate. No one ever said a word, no one cared, because I kept up with my spells, and that was all that mattered. I don't see how this has changed now.
 
The Plate has a use for me. Its nice to look at while my NIN tank takes no damage, and everyone is hasted/regened/pro/shelled/bar-whatevertheyneed.

In good parties, i can go as much as a minute without doing ANYTHING but stand there, and throw in the odd cure to the NIN who cant be hit.

also, its great for soloing anything. Not that WHMs farm much, but i normaly use WHM when helping people get Kaz keys, since its so much faster to tele them myself rather than get someone else to do it.
 
Bajaratt said:
Tell me, did you boot whm's for not having the best armor before seer's was available?


Actually, I never booted anyone. My gear wasn't always good for my WHM until I could wear the Seer's set. I stopped upgrading around lvl 25.
 
I use it because nothing before hand was worth buying for the gil. I use the Holy Breastplate at this time (since getting a party for my Bell and fighting the HNM for the body armor is almost impossible, or so it seems).

I make up for the 9 extra mp you get by using Marion Glaze (+13% MP and +1 Magic Points while resting) So do I feel gimped for wearing this , Yes since I should be wearing my AF. I live through this for right now. I have never been kicked from a party buy using this gear. Most are just happy that we tend to gain 3 + chains every time out.

I play my job and I play it well.
 
why is everyone like "Seer's iz teh awesom!!" when really it's only good for equipment changing macro-ing in when the WHM is gonna rest...
 
Well Ele...

Check the difference in the price between Astral Rings and Serket Rings. That's 5 MP Difference and you lose 5 hp as a side affect.

Now gauge it against 8 MP for basically free with the seers.
 
Firestreak said:
Well Ele...

Check the difference in the price between Astral Rings and Serket Rings. That's 5 MP Difference and you lose 5 hp as a side affect.

Now gauge it against 8 MP for basically free with the seers.

Do you mean Electrum Rings?
 
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