Okay i have been subbing thf for my war which is now 46. and i have been getting no invites so i've decided to switch to sam as sub... i was just wondering if this was a good idea or not.
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There are a few subs that will work for WAR. The most common you'll see now is WAR/NIN, because lots of people think WAR's are only for tanking (thankfully, at my level I get a lot more invites as a DD than a tank). Although, at later levels, I heard that THF is supposed to be very good with a Great Sword or Great Axe.
You'll possibly want to go with NIN, since I stopped getting invites with MNK subbed. You'll probably start to get more invites. Although, do what you want. You shouldn't have to change just because others want you to (which, unfortunately, is what I ended up doing).
You'll possibly want to go with NIN, since I stopped getting invites with MNK subbed. You'll probably start to get more invites. Although, do what you want. You shouldn't have to change just because others want you to (which, unfortunately, is what I ended up doing).
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I say WAR stops being a tank after lvl 30.. by then a NIN with a THF in the party or just a straight up PLD can hold hate better and take damage better (at 37 the NIN will get second Utsusemi and makes em more uber^^v) anyways... WAR is a DD after lvl 30 abouts and the NIN with dualing axes or 1 axe and 1 sword is a nice DD job ^^v or if you want you can do the WAR/THF with Great Axe and do a SA Sturmwind I think ^^v it'll draw hate to you but the PLD or NIN with THF should be able to draw it back ^^v I know two people that are great to ask about this cause basically they made it a point to learn what is best for DD with their warriors and these people are Artem and Antor ^^ Artem subs in NIN and dual weilds axe and is a lvl 55 WAR (73 BRD.. it's what funds his WAR XD) and does uber damage to an IT ^^ where as Antor is a lvl 48 WAR (he plays less than any of us 
) and subs THF and uses a great axe and does a lot of damage with a SA Sturmwind combo I believe ^^ but best to ask them^^
) and subs THF and uses a great axe and does a lot of damage with a SA Sturmwind combo I believe ^^ but best to ask them^^Supposedly, I hear a lot of people telling me SA + Sturmwind closing Fragmentation is a match for SA + Viper Bite closing Distortion.
I wouldn't know first hand though. :?
Pretty cool if Dark Knights and Warriers can compete with Dragoons and Thieves early on. Although I have my doubts.
I wouldn't know first hand though. :?
Pretty cool if Dark Knights and Warriers can compete with Dragoons and Thieves early on. Although I have my doubts.
If your not missing much in battle, go War/Sam ^_^
Need more damage boosts? War/Drk
Need more Accuracy boosts? War/Rng
Wanna stay LFG for life? War/Whm :lol:
Need more damage boosts? War/Drk
Need more Accuracy boosts? War/Rng
Wanna stay LFG for life? War/Whm :lol:
Excellent Warrior resources for you here:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=4&mid=1096299132108756073&num=16
War/Thf is a FINE damage dealer all the way up to the endgame. Although the 50's are a bit rough (until you get Raging Rush at 60). But unless you have a static, you are dependant on party invites, so it can be slow.
My personal opinion is that Sam does not offer you much as a sub until your War is at lvl 60. Then you will have access to Meditate, which is quite useful.
Your best bet is to sub nin. I feel that this makes you a very versatile player. You can DD, Tank, Trick partner or some combination of all 3. Yes, some folks don't like to sub nin because everyone subs nin. However, it's just so effective...
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/db/jobs.html?fjob=4&mid=1096299132108756073&num=16
War/Thf is a FINE damage dealer all the way up to the endgame. Although the 50's are a bit rough (until you get Raging Rush at 60). But unless you have a static, you are dependant on party invites, so it can be slow.
My personal opinion is that Sam does not offer you much as a sub until your War is at lvl 60. Then you will have access to Meditate, which is quite useful.
Your best bet is to sub nin. I feel that this makes you a very versatile player. You can DD, Tank, Trick partner or some combination of all 3. Yes, some folks don't like to sub nin because everyone subs nin. However, it's just so effective...
My opinions on WAR subs...
1-10: Whatever you want, I suggest WHM if you are soloing, as healing yourself is helpful and gets rid of downtime.
10-20: MNK is best for more VIT and Boost.
20-30: Either MNK for VIT and Boost, or NIN for Dual Weild and later Utsusemi.
30-60: THF for Sneak Attack, or NIN for Dual Weild and/or Utsusemi.
60-75: THF for SATA, SAM for Store TP and Meditate, or NIN for Dual Weild and/or Utsusemi.
1-10: Whatever you want, I suggest WHM if you are soloing, as healing yourself is helpful and gets rid of downtime.
10-20: MNK is best for more VIT and Boost.
20-30: Either MNK for VIT and Boost, or NIN for Dual Weild and later Utsusemi.
30-60: THF for Sneak Attack, or NIN for Dual Weild and/or Utsusemi.
60-75: THF for SATA, SAM for Store TP and Meditate, or NIN for Dual Weild and/or Utsusemi.
Ugh i hate Nin cuz of utetsumi cost is so much now.. Im a DD war but will Sam be good from 46-50?
I hate how people hate WAR/MNK 
I like being able to Counter with a big huge sword! :twisted:
I like being able to Counter with a big huge sword! :twisted:Nin is a great sub warrior for 55 and up. 2 viking axe at 55 is godly and rampage is incredibly tough. Warriors wil rise at top in dmg dealing (believe it or not). At 63, warriors can dual weild tungi and fransica axe which is powerful dmg. It is rumored that tunji has a hidden effect to increse double attacking rate. I can easily get insanely fast tp if I eat sole sushi. Eating sole sushi can give 2 ws a fight!!! AT 66, warriors are really good at starting or ending a light SC. Also, at lvl 70 everything starts to get even more better. Warriors get juggernaut axe which is 48 dmg and 30+ attack and ridill sword which occasionally attack 2 times.
So basically i am to go War/ Nin since thats the best around or somthing
WAR/NIN is good, yes, but it's not the -only- thing. It is the best WAR sub for tanking, thanks to Ustusemi, and thanks partly to the grossly overpowered Viking Axe it's also incredibly good at DD. But, while the axes have high accuracy, they have somewhat low damage compared to other axes, especially when you look at axes at the higher levels. So yes, you'll hit often, and WS more, but you'll be hitting and WSing for less damage per hit.
Anyway, THF, SAM, and MNK subs all work as well. SAM's mainly only good after level 60, though, and in my opinion I don't think WAR/MNK has much to offer over WAR/THF past 30. Yes, counter is nice, but chances are you won't be attacked much as a WAR/MNK, especially after level 30.
Anyway, THF, SAM, and MNK subs all work as well. SAM's mainly only good after level 60, though, and in my opinion I don't think WAR/MNK has much to offer over WAR/THF past 30. Yes, counter is nice, but chances are you won't be attacked much as a WAR/MNK, especially after level 30.
Lvling WAR atm and here is my opinion in term of quality of the combo, not in terms of party invites :
1-30 : WAR/MNK owns
30-50 : tank = WAR/MNK (*), DD = WAR/THF
50 + : tank = WAR/NIN, DD = WAR/THF.
55 + : tank = WAR/NIN, DD = WAR/THF, WAR/NIN (rampage, hmm yummy :mrgreen: )
60 + : tank = WAR/NIN, DD = WAR/THF, WAR/NIN, WAR/SAM (but not complitely convinced by this sub and not motivated to try).
(*) : I have tried both WAR/NIN and WAR/MNK in the 35+ range and frankly WAR/NIN is bad ass but not very efficient. It's more risky and you can achieve the same task with the same quality (and sometimes better quality depending on the mob your fighting) as a WAR/MNK for soooo lesss money. IMO, WAR/NIN becomes to shine at 48 (with dual viking axes) and 50+ (with dual wield II).
P.S : I'am a galka, so a bit biased by my huge VIT and HP who put an advantage to the WAR/MNK combo.
1-30 : WAR/MNK owns
30-50 : tank = WAR/MNK (*), DD = WAR/THF
50 + : tank = WAR/NIN, DD = WAR/THF.
55 + : tank = WAR/NIN, DD = WAR/THF, WAR/NIN (rampage, hmm yummy :mrgreen: )
60 + : tank = WAR/NIN, DD = WAR/THF, WAR/NIN, WAR/SAM (but not complitely convinced by this sub and not motivated to try).
(*) : I have tried both WAR/NIN and WAR/MNK in the 35+ range and frankly WAR/NIN is bad ass but not very efficient. It's more risky and you can achieve the same task with the same quality (and sometimes better quality depending on the mob your fighting) as a WAR/MNK for soooo lesss money. IMO, WAR/NIN becomes to shine at 48 (with dual viking axes) and 50+ (with dual wield II).
P.S : I'am a galka, so a bit biased by my huge VIT and HP who put an advantage to the WAR/MNK combo.
Batash said:
You seem to want to hear that War/Sam is an acceptable combo before 60 and that you will get plenty of invites... Sadly, this is not the case. There's a reason that there are a lot of War/Nin's around.
If u are going to go warrior all the way, u need to lvl thf,sam, and nin to 37. Ninja is good on tanking some gods and hnms only if u have the top gear. Thf is a good sub to do sata steel cyclone on a god and hnm and do 1300+ dmg with 300% tp. And sam is a good sub just to open a sc.[/u]
Ehh whoever said Viking axe having low dmg would counter act the high accuracy bonus, that's why you normally buy one Viking Axe when you can upgrade from dual Viking Axe, and you put the one Viking Axe in your off-hand so that your main weapon can do the strong weapon skill. =)
Well as a War/Thf i do usually more dmg then sam,drg,drk and im mainly a DD war.