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Windy

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K, I won't go into how bad this job is gimped and totally screwed over by SE but I am seriously curious about their 2hr.
At the current time I am seeing it about equal if not less than Drk 2hr.

Situation:
Korrolaka Tunnel
Target: Three Worms (EM, T, VT) and T Bats were in the way.
Pulled out Garuda, Astral Flow, Aerial Blast... ..... totally blew, I was very displeased.. I ran back, popped Carby when she died in like.. 3 seconds.. he 1 shot the EM, killed the T, and was fighting VT.. I use Searing Light..
"Carbuncle readies Searing Light"
*waits*
"Carbuncle hits the Land Worm for 16 points of damage."
WTF!
"Land Worm ignores Carbuncle and 1 shots Windaria."

-.-; Anyone know wtf is wrong with this? This is the third time it's "stalled"
 
Did you have enough MP (your level x2) to do Searing Light?

As for you getting hate, I remember one time I was duoing with Nomar (we all love Nomar!). I was on my BRD and he was on his SMN, and I had made him some Orange Juice so he could keep his avatars out a bit longer. We decided to fight a T Goblin Fisher, and Shiva was holding the Goblin further out so we could get ready to engage it ourselves. Nomie popped an Orange Juice and the Goblin went nuts and hit him twice before Shiva could pull the hate back off him. o.O
 
the initial action of initiating a BP, attack, or release of any sort (where ur hands turn green or light green for the action) generate slight hate near the mob. sometimes its enough to take hate away :(
 
Hate wise I generally take it every time I toss out a Dia >.> and I don't use -any- BP's >< but yeah I'm level 21 now (was 20) and I had 80MP.. he readied it and everything ;; luckily I met a verrrry nice JP who raised me and has been off and on tossing cures and protect and shell on me since ^.^ rawr this job is weird though.
 
I haven't seen Astral Flow fubar on me yet. I took smn out to a promy run a little while ago, and Aerial Blast did about 3-400 to each of 3 mobs we were just sorta screwing around with (I didn't have to enter the BC so popped it for shits & giggles).
 
No 2hr will ever be as bad as blood weapon. Only one that was got fixed. (stupid drgs....)
 
Well from some things to point out, you were level 20..so mp cost is double that plus something else..so around 40 mp, but you had 80.

Carby cant miss the worms since they don't have legs and walk around.

So only a few things

1. Bp timer. You didn't state if you waited a minute. Bps have 1 min timer. DId you wait? If you didn't, bps would fail.

2. Avatar fighting. Was Carby attacking the mob? Or was he just standing next to you (if he was sorry..could clear this up?) cause he may have been out of the range of the mob. Also I heard a rumor that an avatar has to be engaged with a mob to 2 hour it..but I doubt that since I've bped mobs without having the avatar fighting.
 
Makelith said:
No 2hr will ever be as bad as blood weapon. Only one that was got fixed. (stupid drgs....)
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Because Souleater -> Blood Weapon is totally inferior to Mighty Strikes.
Oh wait...



Canitoch said:
1. Bp timer. You didn't state if you waited a minute. Bps have 1 min timer. DId you wait? If you didn't, bps would fail.
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Never heard of BPs failing due to timer still being up. Rather, I'm entirely sure the game doesn't let you BP at ALL if the timer is up, and since Windy stated that it said "Carbuncle readies Searing Light", I'd hafto assume the mob was either too far or perhaps AF dropped right as Carby was readying it (which sucks badly.)
 
Makelith said:
No 2hr will ever be as bad as blood weapon. Only one that was got fixed. (stupid drgs....)
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DON'T YOU FORGET IT
 
Ugotjacked said:
Souleater + BloodWeapon + KC = GG
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Good luck getting a K club, if you can manage that, this is the only exception.


Mishaela said:
Because Souleater -> Blood Weapon is totally inferior to Mighty Strikes.
Oh wait...
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Cant really tell if there is sarcasm, but yes, Souleater + Blood weapon is in nearly all cases inferior to mighty strikes.


Edit: Also using souleater is adding in a JA too. If you are gonna do that then, Berzerk + Agressor + Mighty Strikes will beat the crap out of Souleater + Last Resort + Blood Weapon
 
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Windy, be glad you didnt learn this lesson while soloing an avatar.

Bloodpacts are affected by the following variables (in my experience.)

-Movement. If you, your target or carbuncle move during the charging of the BP2hr, it will either hit for horrid dmg or fail altogether.

-Stun. duh.

-MP Cost. The cost to use a BP2hr is ALL your MP x2 or 2 times the amount of MP for your level.

-Some BP2hr will fail if you do not have enough minimum MP to cast. Carbuncle's Searing Light requires MP equal to your level x2, so 40 MP at level 20 MINIMUM. It can still easily fail.

-Day of use. Searing Light on Darksday will blow considerably more compared to Lightsday obviously.

(Its been over a year and a half since I leveled SMN. So I could be completely wrong. But this is what I remember.)
 
Di you move after you popped the BP? Its stupid but while I was soloing my avatars, you need to wait till it is doing to BP and not powering up before running. Yes doing assault does cause you hate so you have to stand still till Carby gains the hate back and pop the BP.
 
lmao windy is not talking about solo'ing avatars windy is saying that the two hours sucked when that set it off. But other then that I have had mostly good luck on smn 2 hours when I did then in party for fun or to save the party that is when I remember amount of mp needed for it lol. Exampe CN puller links 2 IT crawlers I call Shiva 2 land all 3 BP on crawlers first one dies from second BP third is down to about 25% life let on them. Now mind you this was Ice day and crawlers are weak to ice. the there are the times that you call on your avatar to save the day and well they where on a coffie break and missed the message or something lol.
 
Makelith said:
Good luck getting a K club, if you can manage that, this is the only exception.





Cant really tell if there is sarcasm, but yes, Souleater + Blood weapon is in nearly all cases inferior to mighty strikes.


Edit: Also using souleater is adding in a JA too. If you are gonna do that then, Berzerk + Agressor + Mighty Strikes will beat the crap out of Souleater + Last Resort + Blood Weapon
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Don't wanna derail this thread any further, but...*sigh*

But...well...if you're subbing THF (...), yeah, you're gonna get badly out-DDed. If you're subbing WAR or NIN though, seriously, the WAR shouldn't be getting remotely close to same damage as you in a 2h-ing contest unless you're badly halfassing your gear or using some sortof unbalanced comparison (i.e. WAR/NIN vs scythe DRK or some crap)


Maybe I just know some really good DRKs and some really bad WARs, but from nearly every experience, Souleater->Bloodweapon does circles around Mighty Strikes, even with the half dozen JA buffs WAR can do with it.
 
Thanks to all replies... and I wish I had an SS... cause it took my MP and my Timer... but he never used it.. he was meleeing at the time..

On the whole "don't move during BP" thing I am curious.
Before Carby Mitts.. Titan absolutely dominates worms (Rock Throw = ranged = owwie) and I'd be just out of their range (so they would start casting but it would end... btw they have INSANE casting range.. not only "Out of range" but "Too far away" @.@) I would run in, BP, and run back out of range instantly and never once had him fail.. Carby has been my only Astral Flow failure thus far.. Ifrit and Garuda (only others I have used) never mess up.. but I can't always have them out :P
 
Makelith said:
No 2hr will ever be as bad as blood weapon. Only one that was got fixed. (stupid drgs....)
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its situational.. i did last resort + souleater last night and then 2hr blood weapon, and i was hitting for 100 a pop and draining that as well.. so after i did a raging axe for 350- i hit twice for 100 each, and drained 100 each.. so that is 750 damage in about 20 seconds at level 37.
 
neophytal said:
its situational.. i did last resort + souleater last night and then 2hr blood weapon, and i was hitting for 100 a pop and draining that as well.. so after i did a raging axe for 350- i hit twice for 100 each, and drained 100 each.. so that is 750 damage in about 20 seconds at level 37.
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Not to be mean but I recall Lanien doing upwards of 400 at ~35 with a Mighty Strikes Raging Axe >.> could be a little off but it was craazzzy dmg.
 
neophytal said:
its situational.. i did last resort + souleater last night and then 2hr blood weapon, and i was hitting for 100 a pop and draining that as well.. so after i did a raging axe for 350- i hit twice for 100 each, and drained 100 each.. so that is 750 damage in about 20 seconds at level 37.
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*offtopic*
Actually, Bloodweapon doesn't do additional damage with the drains. It basically heals you for the amount you hit the mob.
 
your question wasnt answered but no your avatar doesnt have to be attacking the mob for its 2hr or any bps to work

you may have gotten this confused with "Sic" and charmed pets/jug pets
 
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