Velioo said:
Now, in Valley of Sorrows, I found that no tank really fit in quite well, as the raptors and greater birds pretty much stepped in and ripped all my tanks a new one, usually leaving me (MNK) to finish the tanking job.
I hated the perytons in valley of sorrows @ 60, they were VERY EVIL at 60. Raptors were cake though.
Psylentcuda said:
so what if i over nuke :biggrin: at least a pally can save my tiny ass...what's a nin gonna do? cast more shadows?
lol, you need to get to 60,61 and then 65 were ninja make huge leaps and strides in their ability to hold hate. Those are the levels of jin, new affordable katanas high in dmg compared to earlier mid lvl models by far, and dual wield IV.
The late 50s(were you are now in your sig) are preheps the hardest time for ninjas to hold hate post ni in comparsion to other levels. Ninja ni elementals start to become outdated toward 60 since they get no stronger than from level 40, their melee damage doesn't develope more until 60/61/65/etc, and they're out fighting mobs that don't take full melee damage(crabs/pugs).
I can't blame you for not liking ninjas so much at your current level when good DDs and blms(hopefully like yourself) are present. Thfs are Ninjas' good friends then.
In the 40-50s...Ninja can still do ok, but they need to spam everything. The only thing I couldn't hold hate from in the 50s on ninja was my static monk with cross counters. And I did hold hate from him until he'd raging fist at the end. I lacked a good WS of my own at the time to cancel raging fists out.
But I could handle keeping hate from excellent blms no problem. My static use to just be nin,mnk,sam,brd. We had two blm pickups at two points in the 50s that were very good, Majisreturn(taru) and sano(hume). That had all their staves, very very good equips elsewhere, basiclly optimal except for not having all HQ staves. They didn't steal hate as long as they gave me a little time to set up some base hate at the start. So they would rest after fights into early into the next fight, and nuke between and they nuked fairly hard. They played smart, I played hard spamming all my tools like a good ninja should 40-60, hate didn't bounce to the blms at all.
Blms really aren't the hardest job to hold hate from as long as they give any tank a little time to build hate at the start. So as long as blms rest/enfeeble the start of fights 40-60, they're definitely managable with nin tanks without thfs, assuming the ninja tank is willing to spend the gil. It's well equipped 'monks' that are really tough to hold hate from, even with complete spamming of all ninja tools. But monks, especially monks that are more likely to steal hate(monks with cross counters) will be fine anyway. With counter+7-10 and counterstance....They're just insane at midlevels for handling a beating.
Point being blms aren't that hard for good ninjas to hold hate from unless the blm chain nuke their most powerful stuff start to finish. You are right though, getting a bad ninja really really sucks and it then becomes a hopeless situation.
And for the record! Casting utsusemi Ni is actually a noticable help in holding hate. Utsusemi ni has a very noticable amount of hate attached to it. It has a little more hate than boost I'd estimate from the feel of it. I've played war/mnk to 37 on my galka mule so I like to think I have a good feel of hate and what equals what.
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